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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #5522
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    JPCN1 wrote: »
    Rather spend my money here as it'll be sorely needed, but think the government seem to feel tourism can survive here while sitting the summer out.

    I’ll support local business as best I can but really with nothing open and so many places likely to close I don’t know if there will be much left to support. In any case a break away from this asylum would be good. Went to the shop this evening people with masks pulled down below their mouths others with what look like breathing apparatus on them and constantly touching their faces. Scary stuff really.


  • #5523
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    VonLuck wrote: »
    I want the restrictions to end as quickly as anyone else, but I ultimately would want the decision to be made on the basis of evidence and strong predictive assessments.

    A lot of the comments here are giving reasons of "other countries are opening quicker". That's all well and good, but that doesn't mean it's the right decision.

    They could very well be making the right calls, but can someone tell me why? What are the parameters that you are basing it on? It can't be on the R0 value as most countries aren't long enough into their "relaxation periods".

    This is not to goad anyone into an argument thinking that I want to stay in lockdown, I genuinely would like an impartial, factual view of why relaxing restrictions quicker is better than maintaining the current course.

    The big problem is that no one really knows what the goal is. Goalposts are shifting. New risks emerge. The medics will be super risk adverse as is their want, but the big problem is that we do not have a functioning Government.


  • #5524
    mooseknunkle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭mooseknunkle


    LuckyGent88 wrote: »
    So I was finally able to get my hair cut today here in Germany after a two and a half week wait for an appointment. No fuss and no worries on my side.

    Has to be a phone appointment, mandatory to wear a mask for both yourself and the hairdresser, my hairdresser has advised in mandatory hair wash and hand wash, seat handles are sanitised after each customer and must pay with card.

    It’s the new normal as such and I didn’t have any issues at all. Can imagine it would be much more annoying for women given how long some of their appointments are but it was grand for me.

    I hope the numbers keep falling in ireland and they can start to quicken the easing of lockdown. With the correct shop layouts and equipment, many businesses should be open.

    Was in Ikea aswell today and it’s very well organised. No crowding at all and all very civilised.

    Hope Ireland gets opening soon so I can get home for a visit to my elderly father.

    Ive been saying it for weeks there's no reason why barbers can't be open like that now,instead we have to wait this date 2 MONTHS to get a haircut!


  • #5525
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    AdamD wrote: »
    Because we're going to have to open it anyway and in the mean time we're battering public finances, mental health and even in some cases physical health where screenings etc. aren't happening.

    We plan to have virtually everything open in August, what do the government expect to change by opening slower? There will still be a mad rush for every single thing on the list that people are waiting to open.

    The main justification is to wait and see how our caseload is effected by the gradual reopening, which makes sense. But we should know in 3 or 4 weeks whether we can reopen, stretching it out until August seems ridiculous.

    Worth noting that most in this thread agree with lockdowns and and phased openings, they just think its too drawn out.

    Thanks for the response. So you're saying that it's too drawn out, which could be true. But how do you decide how long is too long, or how short is too short?

    What period of time is acceptable to say that the increase in cases is manageable and will not get out of control?


  • #5526
    setanta1984
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭setanta1984


    VonLuck wrote: »
    I want the restrictions to end as quickly as anyone else, but I ultimately would want the decision to be made on the basis of evidence and strong predictive assessments.

    A lot of the comments here are giving reasons of "other countries are opening quicker". That's all well and good, but that doesn't mean it's the right decision.

    They could very well be making the right calls, but can someone tell me why? What are the parameters that you are basing it on? It can't be on the R0 value as most countries aren't long enough into their "relaxation periods".

    This is not to goad anyone into an argument thinking that I want to stay in lockdown, I genuinely would like an impartial, factual view of why relaxing restrictions quicker is better than maintaining the current course.

    As we are the outlier, the question should be why are we different?
    Are we seriously suggesting the whole continent are wrong, crazy and irresponsible? But we figured out the magic formula?

    There has been zero justification given by our officials as to why only Ireland needs a 3-4 month reopening plan compared to the rest of the EU.

    I'm open to hearing potential reasons, but I can't see any, and none have been offered, by anyone, yet. You'd have to assume those reasons would be absolutely massive to incur such a massive divergence.


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  • #5527
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Skyfloater wrote: »
    Didn't the Danes* magically solve this problem in their schools by changing it to 1 meter.

    *Open to correction on the nationality.

    Don’t worry they will change it to 1 metre here too when it suits the agenda


  • #5528
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    the kelt wrote: »
    I wouldn’t hold my breath.

    Whilst the rest of the world will be getting on with life as well as possible looking at how our crowd are operating we will be catapulting slices of turkey and ham through the windows of our elderly parents on December 25th whilst there’s a panic buy and rush on the 2m long socially distance sanitised Christmas crackers.

    Meanwhile the curtain twitchers will be on standby to shoot any carol singers on site who may be spreading hope and joy Outside their 5k zones whilst Santa Claus gets gets quarantine for trying to enter Irish air space.

    Tony and the NPHET’s are at number 1 in the charts with their hit “it’ll be lonely this Christmas on our Covid wards” and promise us if we can get to 20 weeks without anyone coughing we may be able to move to phase 5!

    Post of the year :pac:


  • #5529
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Don’t worry they will change it to 1 metre here too when it suits the agenda

    What do you mean?


  • #5530
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Gael23 wrote: »
    What do you mean?

    It will be changed from 2 metres to one metre recommendation when they release its not workable


  • #5531
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    It will be changed from 2 metres to one metre recommendation when they release its not workable

    Jesus you almost have to draw a picture for some.:D

    Oh wait somebody already did.

    social-distancing-keep-the-1-meter-distance-in-public-to-protect-from-vector-id1213888133


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  • #5532
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    It will be changed from 2 metres to one metre recommendation when they release its not workable

    That could take quite a while


  • #5533
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭storker


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    It will be changed from 2 metres to one metre recommendation when they release its not workable

    Let's hope the virus realises it's unworkable too.


  • #5534
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Gael23 wrote: »
    That could take quite a while

    Why ? The WHO are recommending one metre distance , my guess is NPHET will soon follow when the economy can’t handle two metres .


  • #5535
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    storker wrote: »
    Let's hope the virus realises it's unworkable too.

    The WHO think so


  • #5536
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Gael23 wrote: »
    That could take quite a while

    Hmmm. Wait until borrowing levels and costs rise. We’ll see how vital it is then.


  • #5537
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Why ? The WHO are recommending one metre distance , my guess is NPHET will soon follow when the economy can’t handle two metres .

    It will take Tony some time to realise that


  • #5538
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Gael23 wrote: »
    It will take Tony some time to realise that

    Yes even the slow pace that man speaks irritates me. Gives a veneer of calm considered reflection but in reality he’s a risk averse ditherer sadly more or less deciding National policy. We’re quick to look down our nose at other non functioning democracies here like Hungary but at the current point and time are we much better? Do we have a fully functioning accountable government? Do we fcuk


  • #5539
    Enter name here
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Enter name here


    What are all you posters going to do when restrictions are re-imposed in 2nd or 3rd week of June?


  • #5540
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭storker


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Why ? The WHO are recommending one metre distance , my guess is NPHET will soon follow when the economy can’t handle two metres .

    As far as the virus spreading itself goes, it doesn't matter a damn what the economy can cope with; it's what the virus can make use of. Either two metres was medically necessary or it wasn't. The consequences for the economy don't change that. I've no doubt that a lot of people would be happier with 1 metre...1 foot even, but in terms of controlling spread it's about the medically safe distance, not the economic safe distance. This has the ring of unacceptable consequence fallacy about it.


  • #5541
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Enter name here wrote: »
    What are all you posters going to do when restrictions are re-imposed in 2nd or 3rd week of June?

    People are not going to comply and the Guards are not going to enforce it simple.


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  • #5542
    Flyer1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭Flyer1


    Enter name here wrote: »
    What are all you posters going to do when restrictions are re-imposed in 2nd or 3rd week of June?

    Your basis for this crazy assumption ?


  • #5543
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Enter name here wrote: »
    What are all you posters going to do when restrictions are re-imposed in 2nd or 3rd week of June?

    Well seen as fcuk all restrictions will have been eased by then, the same all us posters will have done for the previous 3 months


  • #5544
    Enter name here
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Enter name here


    Flyer1 wrote: »
    Your basis for this crazy assumption ?

    The stupidity of the majority of Irish population.


  • #5545
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭storker


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Well seen as fcuk all restrictions will have been eased by then, the same all us posters will have done for the previous 3 months

    Spend the day on here complaining about it?


  • #5546
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Donohoe seems to think he’s some kind of UN observer status in the DofF rather than someone in the driving seat. It’ll be all on him come next autumn if he’s still there (I can’t see many takers for the job) when the cuts to public expenditure become real.


  • #5547
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,015 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    storker wrote: »
    Spend the day on here complaining about it?

    And keep predicting the peoples revolution is coming next week and the lockdown ends NOW.


    The much hyped "people wont put up with any of this after May 5th" wasnt much of a whimper :pac:


  • #5548
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Enter name here wrote: »
    What are all you posters going to do when restrictions are re-imposed in 2nd or 3rd week of June?

    What is any different bar some selected businesses opened this week exactly? I can live without an hour queuing into Woodies funnily enough.
    You must be watching too much Rte. Far as I’m concerned this is still full on lockdown and paralysis of our economy. If FG want to completely strangle it to death then continue forth with your threats but the price is going to be massive- welfare cuts, public sector wage cuts, all manner of cuts to public services.


  • #5549
    Jackman25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Jackman25


    Enter name here wrote: »
    What are all you posters going to do when restrictions are re-imposed in 2nd or 3rd week of June?

    What are you going to do in a few months when restrictions are all lifted and you have to interact with people in real life again?


  • #5550
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Enter name here wrote: »
    The stupidity of the majority of Irish population.

    Do you include yourself in that, o great one?


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  • #5551
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,015 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    road_high wrote: »
    What is any different bar some selected businesses opened this week exactly? I can live without an hour queuing into Woodies funnily enough.
    You must be watching too much Rte. Far as I’m concerned this is still full on lockdown and paralysis of our economy. If FG want to completely strangle it to death then continue forth with your threats but the price is going to be massive- welfare cuts, public sector wage cuts, all manner of cuts to public services.

    Wait did you not spend the last week or so declaring the lockdown was over and things were going back to normal regardless of rules?


    Hell that was the line a lot of the "economists" here were spouting.


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