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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #6962
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    VonLuck wrote: »
    It's a very American thing. Don't think calling those kind of people "Karen" works in Ireland.

    Saoirse?


  • #6963
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,103 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    VonLuck wrote: »
    It's a very American thing. Don't think calling those kind of people "Karen" works in Ireland.

    It depends on what forums you follow. ;)


  • #6964
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Lyle wrote: »
    It has been suppressed, yeah. Has being the operative word, a past participle. We don't even know what the present status is on account of the poxy incubation period, let alone the future status, so they'll justify it based on those grounds. We'll start knowing a little bit in a week, we'll know more in 2 and we'll fully know (kinda) by 3.

    They might alter the sectors in the phases but three weeks between each phase really seems like the right way to go in terms of monitoring the progress of the disease.

    https://www.clareecho.ie/covid-19-community-transmission-effectively-wiped-out-holohan/


    15 weeks still to go, not happening Politicians will start getting pressure from various sectors.


  • #6965
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Legendary experimental band Swans turn one of their classic song titles into an apt face-mask:


    49917293151_318964e2eb_c.jpg


  • #6966
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I was talking to a woman today that runs a small restaurant. She was saying that social distancing requirements mean it won’t be viable for them to open when they are allowed to. I think this is the restriction that is going to cause most problems


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  • #6967
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    Gael23 wrote: »
    I was talking to a woman today that runs a small restaurant. She was saying that social distancing requirements mean it won’t be viable for them to open when they are allowed to. I think this is the restriction that is going to cause most problems

    Yes but The virus is different here. We need 2 metres, other places need 1 metre.


  • #6968
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    MrDavid1976 wrote: »
    Yes but The virus is different here. We need 2 metres, other places need 1 metre.

    How do you believe it’s different? It’s different because of Holohan unwillingness to accept any risk


  • #6969
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    https://www.clareecho.ie/covid-19-community-transmission-effectively-wiped-out-holohan/


    15 weeks still to go, not happening Politicians will start getting pressure from various sectors.

    Amazing that immediately before first Covid Dail Committee meeting it was decided they could only sit for two hours,


  • #6970
    Skyfloater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭Skyfloater


    Gael23 wrote: »
    I was talking to a woman today that runs a small restaurant. She was saying that social distancing requirements mean it won’t be viable for them to open when they are allowed to. I think this is the restriction that is going to cause most problems
    Didn't the Danes* magically solve this problem in their schools by changing it to 1 meter.

    *Open to correction on the nationality.


  • #6971
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Skyfloater wrote: »
    Didn't the Danes* magically solve this problem in their schools by changing it to 1 meter.

    *Open to correction on the nationality.

    Yeah Denmark changed it to 1 meter but they're now following WHO guidance which is 1 meter


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  • #6972
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,358 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Yeah I guess roadmap differentiates between a pub and restaurant but if a pub has or gets a restaurant licence it's a bit of a grey area. By rights then they can obviously only serve drink with food so would be tricky to enforce I think.

    Simple.

    Suggestion - Last orders for food and drink in restaurants is 9 pm, served at tables. Only bottled beer and wine to be sold. Perhaps it could also bring your own booze with a corkage charge = might work.

    Pubs will be allowed to stay open till 10 pm when they first open.

    Aim should be to cut out drunkenness.


  • #6973
    Lyle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Lyle


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    https://www.clareecho.ie/covid-19-community-transmission-effectively-wiped-out-holohan/

    15 weeks still to go, not happening Politicians will start getting pressure from various sectors.

    Yes, it is almost wiped out and effectively extinguished. It is not wiped out and extinguished and this is a massively transmissible disease which rears itself up like a bastard if it takes hold and can spread incredibly quickly. The R0 can shoot up and we won't know if it will still be almost wiped out in the community until two to three weeks time when we see the impact of Phase 1 openings on the disease in the population. We suppressed it in the Prologue, and there has to be three weeks between each of the next few chapters of reopening to make sure we keep it suppressed. This is a long game we're playing. Taking the time to be cautious is the right move, in my opinion.


  • #6974
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    Amazing that immediately before first Covid Dail Committee meeting it was decided they could only sit for two hours,

    Wouldn't surprise if a few of the "ministers" are talking tactics over the phone. Something very off with the use of control from the hse to the pop up comitees


  • #6975
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Lyle wrote: »
    Yes, it is almost wiped out and effectively extinguished. It is not wiped out and extinguished and this is a massively transmissible disease which rears itself up like a bastard if it takes hold and can spread incredibly quickly. The R0 can shoot up and we won't know if it will still be almost wiped out in the community until two to three weeks time when we see the impact of Phase 1 openings on the disease in the population. We suppressed it in the Prologue, and there has to be three weeks between each of the next few chapters of reopening to make sure we keep it suppressed. This is a long game we're playing. Taking the time to be cautious is the right move, in my opinion.

    So can you explain why Ireland despite having the same virus as Europe and the rest of the world is an outlier? Our figures are similar to countries that have eased restrictions . The present roadmap is ridiculously conservative and will further heighten the damage the country and people are suffering.


  • #6976
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Onesea wrote: »
    Wouldn't surprise if a few of the "ministers" are talking tactics over the phone. Something very off with the use of control from the hse to the pop up comitees

    It seems Leo has ceded the running of the country to Dr Holohan.


  • #6977
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It seems Leo has ceded the running of the country to Dr Holohan.

    And what power do either actually have? If you were to disobey one of the rules either set in place, could the dpp prosecute?


  • #6978
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Onesea wrote: »
    And what power do either actually have? If you were to disobey one of the rules either set in place, could the dpp prosecute?

    The restrictions have legal backing although I suspect anyone who breaks them will not see court.


  • #6979
    Ce he sin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Ce he sin


    Onesea wrote: »
    Good. Sense prevailing. Keep your granny locked up and look after. Let the world function again. Glad to see the scare tactics from Rte aren't working.


    I'm guessing you're really impressed by the Brazilian model then?
    There is this whole digging of mass graves thing going on there, but no making of an omelette without the breaking of a few eggs eh?


  • #6980
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    Gangs of kids, teens and even adults out and about today zero social distancing in effect. Very disheartening to witness.


  • #6981
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Was watching VM Tonight Show, and was amazed to hear that hospital staff are not routinely tested, apparently you're tested only if you just show symptoms.

    So we have 00?s asymptomatics gailey going on shift and nobody worried about testing them.

    That can't be true, can it?


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  • #6982
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Gangs of kids, teens and even adults out and about today zero social distancing in effect. Very disheartening to witness.

    People have been saying this for months though...


  • #6983
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Gangs of kids, teens and even adults out and about today zero social distancing in effect. Very disheartening to witness.

    Would speaking to someone help?


  • #6984
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It seems Leo has ceded the running of the country to Dr Holohan.
    Makes a change from focus groups.


  • #6985
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Gangs of kids, teens and even adults out and about today zero social distancing in effect. Very disheartening to witness.


    True


  • #6986
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Someone asked about meat plants recently? Should we be testing animals?

    https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1262909754319474690?s=21


  • #6987
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Hrududu wrote: »
    Saw a fun one earlier. I was out for a spin on the bike, and had to slow down around Rathfarnham because a load of teenagers, maybe 10 or 12 of them were strung across the path on their bikes. From taking a guess based on what was going on it looked like an older man was giving out to them for being in a big group. I didn’t see it start but as I was going past (slowly as they took up the path and I wanted to be nosy) I heard one of the young fellas say “We can’t pass it on to people.” And as he said that one of his pals did a big exaggerated cough at the man. I mean, I thought that **** had died out a month ago.

    Oh and at a first glance they all looked like kids that would be described as “coming from good families.”
    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    You should have taken a photo and uploaded it everywhere. Some people need shaming.
    rusty cole wrote: »
    That's what's wrong with people these days..ooooh you shuda taken a pic, why? it was a moment of stupid behaviour from what he said were kids! so then you want their image out on social media so they can be trolled or even threatened? you don't even have context, the oul lad coulda been a dickead.

    you bleeding busybody.

    So let me get this straight. An older person, who may perfectly legitimately have concerns about his health while coming into contact with others, got annoyed when some little shíts coughed at him. And because I said the little bollóx's should be shamed, you:

    1. call me a busybody
    2. suggest the old man is a dickhead.

    :rolleyes:

    We many all have different views on here about the virus, how it is dealt with, lockdown etc. But what we should all agree on is that behaviour like this is not only disgusting, but potentially lethal to the wrong person, especially an elderly person out having a walk.


  • #6988
    Lyle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Lyle


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So can you explain why Ireland despite having the same virus as Europe and the rest of the world is an outlier? Our figures are similar to countries that have eased restrictions . The present roadmap is ridiculously conservative and will further heighten the damage the country and people are suffering.

    Honestly, I don't sink much time into international comparison recently so I don't really know what other countries are doing in terms of restrictions unless it has some direct link to the understanding of the disease itself. I tend to just research and read journals and papers and stuff about the disease as best I can before my head melts from it every day and keep up with what's going on in Ireland but thats it, so I dunno about other countries really to be giving any level of certainty in comparing.

    Seems to me like its just because our lot are being more cautious and buying time before they fling the floodgates of all society open, picking a time between Phases that is half way between the time recommended by the WHO (2 weeks) and the ECDC (4 weeks) in their own roadmap publications to get a sense of where the R0 goes with each move they make.

    Sense, now, along with patience and caution, gets us towards a final resolution at an overall earlier point better than chancing our arms at faster reopening. Like I said, if Phase 1 goes well they might advance some sectors up the Phases, but taking the three weeks to study the impact is vital. I could be wrong, maybe other countries jumping out of lockdown early will go grand, but if it goes wrong then they're f*cked and our decision makers will look like the cleverest c*nts going for taking the cautious route.

    Out of interest what approach would you take in terms of the reopening? Is it that you think the three weeks between restriction lifting is off the ball or is it more that you'd re-assign certain sectors into earlier phases?


  • #6989
    Jackman25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Jackman25


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Gangs of kids, teens and even adults out and about today zero social distancing in effect. Very disheartening to witness.

    You may get used to it.


  • #6990
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Jackman25 wrote: »
    You may get used to it.

    Ah not come on the poor fellow is traumatised.


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  • #6991
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    So let me get this straight. An older person, who may perfectly legitimately have concerns about his health while coming into contact with others, got annoyed when some little shíts coughed at him. And because I said the little bollóx's should be shamed, you:

    1. call me a busybody
    2. suggest the old man is a dickhead.

    :rolleyes:

    We many all have different views on here about the virus, how it is dealt with, lockdown etc. But what we should all agree on is that behaviour like this is not only disgusting, but potentially lethal to the wrong person, especially an elderly person out having a walk.

    Its dreadful behavior. Scum of the highest order.
    But on a related note and while I despise the bad behavior described above, I think people should be cautious about going up to groups of teenagers or any groups, that they don't know and giving out to them.


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