The 350 a week was a catastrophic and costly mistake

LillySV · 19-05-2020 06:15PM

callaway92 wrote: »

That's just not gonna happen.

The payment was so sudden that people applied and people can too easily play dumb here with how easy it is to begin receiving it.

In reality we all know there could've been more things involved (comms from employer etc)

When it stops it'll stop. People won't be chased up

Yes they will. The chase beginning already ... and will be going on for years probably... not just for the pandemic payment but also for temporary wage subsidy too... lots of employers will be followed up on too

Fred Cryton · 19-05-2020 06:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

America have also given a generous payment. https://www.consumerfinance.gov/about-us/blog/guide-covid-19-economic-stimulus-checks/

Yes read it, it's $1,200 in total and dependent on your income.

$1,200 over 12 weeks is $100 a week.....so a little less wouldn't you say!

Plumbthedepths · 19-05-2020 07:14PM

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Yes read it, it's $1,200 in total and dependent on your income.

$1,200 over 12 weeks is $100 a week.....so a little less wouldn't you say!

You should read your own link again. The payment is made on top of social security supports.
Always amuses how people don't even read their own links.lol.

Banana Republic 1 · 19-05-2020 08:55PM

na1 wrote: »

I don't understand how spitting on somebody relates to the income,
but in this country high earners have much less rights than 'most vulnerable'.
In addition to tax, they pay for every service which most vulnerable get for free.

Yes vulnerable, in this world vulnerability often goes had in hand with how much money one has.

instead of foaming at the mouth because people who are on minimum wage jobs are getting the same €350 payment many posters should investigate exactly how one earns PRSI contributions

Tazz T · 19-05-2020 10:47PM

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Yes read it, it's $1,200 in total and dependent on your income.

$1,200 over 12 weeks is $100 a week.....so a little less wouldn't you say!

What's your point? Ireland isn't the UK or the US.What are your own personal circumstances? I assume you aren't claiming the allowance.

maninasia · 19-05-2020 11:24PM

GocRh wrote: »

It beggars belief that Revenue didn't check claims against PAYE payments during 2020. With PAYE modernisation income tax / USC / PRSI collection is reported online by payroll on every salary payment.

Need to dig into that .

Herb Powell · 19-05-2020 11:35PM

na1 wrote: »

I don't understand how spitting on somebody relates to the income,
but in this country high earners have much less rights than 'most vulnerable'.
In addition to tax, they pay for every service which most vulnerable get for free.

Spitting absolute shhite there now. 'Much less rights'. Explain that one.

dwayneshintzy · 20-05-2020 06:30AM

What an absolutely ludicrous thing to say, that people on higher incomes have fewer rights in Ireland! What possible justification could you have for such a ridiculous thing to say, na1?

Someone on 250,000 a year has it worse than someone supplementing a part-time minimum wage job with social welfare, yeah?

IQO · 20-05-2020 01:33PM

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Yes read it, it's $1,200 in total and dependent on your income.

$1,200 over 12 weeks is $100 a week.....so a little less wouldn't you say!

That was a once off, the unemployed in the US are also eligible for a 600 USD weekly payment: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/23/business/economy/unemployment-benefits-stimulus-coronavirus.html - so definitely even better off than the unemployed in Ireland.

Beechwoodspark · 20-05-2020 01:36PM

Minister for finance sounding the alarm big time now - 30 BILLION deficit projected for this year!?

This 350 should be reduced down to 200 as a start ASAP

enricoh · 20-05-2020 02:09PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Minister for finance sounding the alarm big time now - 30 BILLION deficit projected for this year!?

This 350 should be reduced down to 200 as a start ASAP

Meh, tax the rich!

na1 · 20-05-2020 02:31PM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

What an absolutely ludicrous thing to say, that people on higher incomes have fewer rights in Ireland! What possible justification could you have for such a ridiculous thing to say, na1?

yes:
1)right to a free (almost free) accommodation
2)right to use the public transport for free
3)right to a free GP visits and free(almost free) prescriptions
4)right to a free education (Back to Education Allowance)

A friend of mine, who worked all his life, has a family of 4 living in a 2 bed apartment (as he couldn't afford larger home) and struggling to pay the mortgage on it.

While another "single parent" on a part time, with 2 kids has a 3 bed house for almost free.
And she is entitled to 3 bed accommodation because the living standards of most vulnerable are protected by the State
So if you work full time paying all the taxes - the State doesn't care if you live in a shoe-box,
but if you work a part-time paying no taxes, you're entitled to a large size accomodation from the state for almost free

suicide_circus · 20-05-2020 02:37PM

i think your confusing rights with benefits.

when a person earning a million a year goes broke and loses everything, they to will get free accommodation etc

Fred Cryton · 20-05-2020 02:40PM

enricoh wrote: »

Meh, tax the rich!

Said every uneducated brainwashed Marxist ever.

Worst thing about all of this is Ireland already had a bloated welfare state before this crisis, where work didn't pay and taxes on middle income was too high. This will only make things a lot worse.

na1 · 20-05-2020 02:51PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

i think your confusing rights with benefits.

when a person earning a million a year goes broke and loses everything, they to will get free accommodation etc

You're confusing the earning and possession
The person earning a million a year can have 0 in his/her bank account
So he/she can't afford a GP visit, or to pay for a rent/mortgage. and not entitled to anything.

I've already mentioned, I was unemployed for 2 weeks, and wasn't entitled to a cent, because I wasn't a 'most vulnerable' from the State point of view

20-05-2020 02:54PM

It will have to be tweaked a bit in the next few weeks a fair amount doing nixers and claiming the COVID payment, barbers, hairdressers, and builders.

Plus looking at those who are on more money with the COVID payment that when they were working.

dundalkfc10 · 20-05-2020 02:57PM

mariaalice wrote: »

It will have to be tweaked a bit in the next few weeks a fair amount doing nixers and claiming the COVID payment, barbers, hairdressers, and builders.

Plus looking at those who are on more money with the COVID payment that when they were working.

This happens every day of the week. I dont think ive ever got a handyman in who wasnt just cash in hand.

20-05-2020 02:58PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

This happens every day of the week. I dont think ive ever got a handyman in who wasnt just cash in hand.

but prior to this they were not also getting a 350 COVID payment.

dundalkfc10 · 20-05-2020 03:01PM

mariaalice wrote: »

but prior to this they were not also getting a 350 COVID payment.

No they were getting more working all day and doing these jobs in the evening

KaneToad · 20-05-2020 03:03PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

This happens every day of the week. I dont think ive ever got a handyman in who wasnt just cash in hand.

Hopefully Covid will push us closer to a cashless society. Root out all the tax cheats.

20-05-2020 03:08PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

No they were getting more working all day and doing these jobs in the evening

It could distort the incentive to got back to work for some that is the issue, not that they should not be getting it in the first place.

Also, the child care issue has to be sorted as well.

dundalkfc10 · 20-05-2020 03:15PM

KaneToad wrote: »

Hopefully Covid will push us closer to a cashless society. Root out all the tax cheats.

Revoult

thegetawaycar · 20-05-2020 03:23PM

The payment was put in hastily but the right thing to do, unlike the last recession it's clear there is money to be spent in the economy (look at the queues as things re-open) which hopefully means far less of a shock this time.

As things re-open the payment needs to go/change, I'd love to see it remain as a step down payment, a move towards those that lose their jobs being better supported while the dole lifers remain on a lower amount. The 350 could easily become a 3 month/6 month payment for those who have paid PRSI for 2 years continuously and then revert to the JSA.

RandomViewer · 20-05-2020 05:01PM

KaneToad wrote: »

Hopefully Covid will push us closer to a cashless society. Root out all the tax cheats.

UK will never go cashless so under counter payments would just be made in Sterling
, Tip dependant industries would suffer badly from your plan as well, not to mention all the €20 notes kids get for their birthdays,

Idbatterim · 20-05-2020 05:13PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Minister for finance sounding the alarm big time now - 30 BILLION deficit projected for this year!?

This 350 should be reduced down to 200 as a start ASAP

No, keep.it and reduce long term dole down to zero...

All you bleeding heads co contributing fcuk all , can start donating to the dole lifers if you're so concerned about them

Banana Republic 1 · 20-05-2020 07:53PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

No, keep.it and reduce long term dole down to zero...

All you bleeding heads co contributing fcuk all , can start donating to the dole lifers if you're so concerned about them

Everyone does either through income taxes vat and excess duty

rob316 · 20-05-2020 07:56PM

You can't reduce while people are out of work, the problems it would create would be devestating to the economy and society. Loans and mortgages would default, further rent support needed.

Fuascailteoir · 20-05-2020 08:00PM

na1 wrote: »

You're confusing the earning and possession
The person earning a million a year can have 0 in his/her bank account
So he/she can't afford a GP visit, or to pay for a rent/mortgage. and not entitled to anything.

I've already mentioned, I was unemployed for 2 weeks, and wasn't entitled to a cent, because I wasn't a 'most vulnerable' from the State point of view

Could you not have applied for jobseekers benefit as if you had paid prsi in the relevant tax year you would have been eligible

Banana Republic 1 · 20-05-2020 08:02PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

This happens every day of the week. I dont think ive ever got a handyman in who wasnt just cash in hand.

So ask for a proper invoice so and pay the vat.

Banana Republic 1 · 20-05-2020 08:04PM

na1 wrote: »

You're confusing the earning and possession
The person earning a million a year can have 0 in his/her bank account
So he/she can't afford a GP visit, or to pay for a rent/mortgage. and not entitled to anything.

I've already mentioned, I was unemployed for 2 weeks, and wasn't entitled to a cent, because I wasn't a 'most vulnerable' from the State point of view

So your throwing your toys over two weeks, there’s no talking to the likes of you.

The 350 a week was a catastrophic and costly mistake

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