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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #5252
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭crossman47


    prunudo wrote: »
    And yet again we see the government and the general public at seperate stages of easing restrictions. From what I've heard from Varadkar, Harris, amd Hoolahan over the last few days, they're way off the mark of where the rest of country thinks they are.

    Where the rest of the country thinks they are. Thats the problem. Many people think the virus is gone and they can go back to their old ways. That carries the danger of a new outbreak.


  • #5253
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    crossman47 wrote: »
    Where the rest of the country thinks they are. Thats the problem. Many people think the virus is gone and they can go back to their old ways. That carries the danger of a new outbreak.

    Is it “gone” in other countries that have much more relaxed restrictions?
    I think people that write like this must be paralysed by fear. I would almost feel sorry for them but for they insist on imposing their dictates on the rest of society also, instead of just completely self isolating themselves which is what they ought to do if that afraid of Covid 19.


  • #5254
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    rubadub wrote: »
    No, but I did not expect them to effectively blatantly give 2 fingers to the Ministers request, everybody knows people won't be obeying the ministers wishes and just going in for a browse and to buy some stuff which is not essential. But you don't have to rub it in the governments face.

    Rub it in the government's face?

    They have took initiative to reopen business and generate revenue for themselves, their employees and the state.

    Something "the government" have given no consideration to whatsoever, so rather than worry about causing offense to Tony and Co if you can open responsibly regarding distance etc show the initiative and do it.


  • #5255
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    This is d sort of thing Tony would say.

    In all seriousness when 0.01% of population represents live cases... I think OP has a point.

    Basically non existant can become 1000s of cases quite quickly. Yes open up, but do not categorise it as basically non existant. It's a constant threat we have to learn to live amongst.

    And piss off with your comparison. What are you putting Dr Tony as the enemy now?


  • #5256
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭prunudo


    crossman47 wrote: »
    Where the rest of the country thinks they are. Thats the problem. Many people think the virus is gone and they can go back to their old ways. That carries the danger of a new outbreak.

    Far from it, I think people are starting to realise that we have to live with this. People are out and about but I'm not seeing wreckless behaviour.


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  • #5257
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    How are people judging out relaxation of measures as opposed to other countries?


  • #5258
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Rub it in the government's face?

    They have took initiative to reopen business and generate revenue for themselves, their employees and the state.

    Something "the government" have given no consideration to whatsoever, so rather than worry about causing offense to Tony and Co if you can open responsibly regarding distance etc show the initiative and do it.

    Yes the state isn’t so reticent when rates and VAT etc are due.
    Such a pack of Lemons, can easily see them bankrupting us given half the chance.


  • #5259
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭crossman47


    road_high wrote: »
    Is it “gone” in other countries that have much more relaxed restrictions?
    I think people that write like this must be paralysed by fear. I would almost feel sorry for them but for they insist on imposing their dictates on the rest of society also, instead of just completely self isolating themselves which is what they ought to do if that afraid of Covid 19.

    No, I'm not paralysed by fear. I want to see the economy restarted but I think its better to do it gradually while continuously warning people to be careful rather than lifting restrictions quickly and running the real risk they will have to be reimposed. The latter would be difficult to achieve.


  • #5260
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Gael23 wrote: »
    How are people judging out relaxation of measures as opposed to other countries?

    Too slow and way too cautious compared to others


  • #5261
    SNNUS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭SNNUS


    VonLuck wrote: »
    All I said was that construction needs to be monitored because it is a higher risk area, as demonstrated by the number of workers congregating together during their lunch.

    Or maybe you think social distancing is a hoax as well?

    Karen???

    https://youtu.be/aR3uA2eLgbk


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  • #5262
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Gael23 wrote: »
    How are people judging out relaxation of measures as opposed to other countries?

    It seems Tony is playing spin the bottle on a Chinese calendar


  • #5263
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Too slow and way too cautious compared to others

    Hopefully they will accelerate if the next few weeks go well


  • #5264
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭crossman47


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Rub it in the government's face?



    Something "the government" have given no consideration to whatsoever, so rather than worry about causing offense to Tony and Co if you can open responsibly regarding distance etc show the initiative and do it.

    Tony et all won't take offence as I'm sure its not personal for them. They are working for us to the best of their ability and deserve thanks for that. I heard him say in the Dail today some NEPHET meetings went on into the early hours yet he has to come back the next day and face mainly idiotic questions from journalists just angling for a headline.


  • #5265
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    road_high wrote: »
    No. I don’t live by fear. It’s a dreadful way to live. I just dont buy into all this ****e about lockdowns and I’ve zero faith in Nphet, Harris or the hse.
    Confident there will be war if they try re impose this rubbish again so that’s what keeps me going. I view it as like being a cracked dam now, once the cracks appeared and water started flowing there’s no going back. And there isn’t. Tony’s “threats” are counterproductive.

    Business closed without a whimper last March as it was the “right thing to do” according to pressure from the social media baying mobs. They won’t roll over and die so easily next time. I can’t see the likes of this ever being allowed to happen again tbh

    I think one of the things is at the start was we were all in this together, and when I mean together I mean looking across Europe and the world but mainly Europe.

    It was everywhere, here’s what’s happening in Italy, France, Germany, Spain etc etc. Here’s the situation so we have to lock down. But the rhetoric was based on this is what everyone is doing across Europe for example, we are all in this together, every country is locking down. I remember Leo talking about calls with other leaders across Europe and here’s what they know, here’s what they’re doing and we have to do the same. No issues, all in this together.

    But that rhetoric has stopped, no longer are we in this together, no longer is there emphasis on what other countries are doing because every other country seems to have the capacity to move on far far quicker than us for some reason (a reason I’ve yet to hear a logical explanation for)

    So the here’s what other countries rhetoric stopped and got dropped but for most people they have the means and critical thinking to actually analyse for themselves and the www gives us the means to see what others are doing and imho I see nothing wrong with asking why?

    Others seem content to just listen to what they’re told to do and carry on regardless, as if daring to question and wonder is akin to spreading the virus and having little regard for others it seems.

    Maybe the reluctance to question and wonder if something is right is a hang on from old catholic Ireland where a position of apparent stature means they should never be questioned, I’ve seen that attitude in certain posters who take this approach where they have emphasised the jobs they have multiple times as if this entails them to a higher importance of opinion, who knows?

    Personally see nothing wrong with questioning and asking why?


  • #5266
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Gael23 wrote: »
    How are people judging out relaxation of measures as opposed to other countries?

    The first countries out will be the first ones back in to COVID prison.


  • #5267
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The first countries out will be the first ones back in to COVID prison.

    That is quite possible. I would rather go with a slow plan and keep to it instead of going fast and taking several steps back.


  • #5268
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The first countries out will be the first ones back in to COVID prison.

    Nonsense - just like the estimate of 33k dead here by today, hysterical overblown ****in nonsense. Cocoon the vulnerable, lock down the nursing and care homes and the rest of us will survive it - the wet dream of a lockdown until 2021 some want is nothing but a gross and simple minded deflection from the actual truth of the situation.


  • #5269
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The first countries out will be the first ones back in to COVID prison.

    Like those reckless Danes and Germans are?
    The only ones still in prison are the Irish, sadly. And unfortunately I’m stuck here


  • #5270
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Too slow and way too cautious compared to others

    Because they know if there is huge deaths they will get blamed my the media and the anti everything brigade.

    They really can't win.

    Just listen to the public accounts committee today.

    SF baying for blood to score political points.


  • #5271
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Nonsense - just like the estimate of 33k dead here by today, hysterical overblown ****in nonsense. Cocoon the vulnerable, lock down the nursing and care homes and the rest of us will survive it - the wet dream of a lockdown until 2021 some want is nothing but a gross and simple minded deflection from the actual truth of the situation.

    +1

    The pandemic is over, the so called first wave took the most (and only) vulnerable. While we will tread carefully to ease out of lockdown, I don't see from any source that the crisis will be escalating for round 2 to the point where we need to shut everything down again. Sure, there may be new clusters but not enough to warrant locking down the fit and healthy again.


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  • #5272
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    crossman47 wrote: »
    I heard him say in the Dail today some NEPHET meetings went on into the early hours yet he has to come back the next day and face mainly idiotic questions from journalists just angling for a headline.

    This is the issue. Certain people take the god love Tony approach hes at work very late.

    I say thats bolix, working until early hours but NPHET said they were to busy to publish the meeting minutes.

    Where does busy stop and inefficiency start?


  • #5273
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    crossman47 wrote: »
    No, I'm not paralysed by fear. I want to see the economy restarted but I think its better to do it gradually while continuously warning people to be careful rather than lifting restrictions quickly and running the real risk they will have to be reimposed. The latter would be difficult to achieve.

    There’s gradual and then there’s glacial. We are the later


  • #5274
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Nonsense - just like the estimate of 33k dead here by today, hysterical overblown ****in nonsense. Cocoon the vulnerable, lock down the nursing and care homes and the rest of us will survive it - the wet dream of a lockdown until 2021 some want is nothing but a gross and simple minded deflection from the actual truth of the situation.

    Maybe if people didn't constantly use the health service or deaths as a stick to beat the government with they wouldn't be overly cautious.

    Pulling them in front a committee today for questioning already.

    No wonder they try to cover their arse at every angle.


  • #5275
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Nonsense - just like the estimate of 33k dead here by today, hysterical overblown ****in nonsense. Cocoon the vulnerable, lock down the nursing and care homes and the rest of us will survive it - the wet dream of a lockdown until 2021 some want is nothing but a gross and simple minded deflection from the actual truth of the situation.

    33k!!!

    That old hyperbole is gobbled up by certain citizens who would frequently comment RIP and god bless.

    Others are ready to smash the radio listening to such unsubstantiated lies


  • #5276
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Pulling them in front a committee today for questioning already.

    No wonder they try to cover their arse at every angle.

    But it was 2 months late to demand answers from them.

    They should of been demanding transparency from day 1.

    Tony answered "as low as possible" to a direct question!

    Why is accountability so difficult from Ireland's approach?

    Transparency seems to be a privilege not a right, private hospitals empty, cancer screening cancelled, 1 million on emergency payment, all the while Simon is extending Gardai emergency powers. So yeah Tony needs to start answering a few questions, my only issue is that its not Ivan Yates asking them


  • #5277
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Nonsense - just like the estimate of 33k dead here by today, hysterical overblown ****in nonsense. Cocoon the vulnerable, lock down the nursing and care homes and the rest of us will survive it - the wet dream of a lockdown until 2021 some want is nothing but a gross and simple minded deflection from the actual truth of the situation.

    Of course we are approaching the time of year when coronavirus' spread are naturally constrained by temperature.

    Which is great.

    Summer does not the rest of the year though!


  • #5278
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Of course we are approaching the time of year when coronavirus' spread are naturally constrained by temperature.

    Which is great.

    Summer does not the rest of the year though!

    You and I don’t know enough about CV19 to make any such statements as to whether it has a “season” or not.


  • #5279
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Gael23 wrote: »
    How are people judging out relaxation of measures as opposed to other countries?

    Very sensible approach to make small steps and monitor the effect. What's not to like? It's such a relief when you see countries like the US and UK trying to open up while they still have thousands of cases each day.


  • #5280
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    You and I don’t know enough about CV19 to make any such statements as to whether it has a “season” or not.

    Actually there is evidence it is having some effect across Europe with declining cases.

    In north America the increase in cases in more restricted than it was as well.

    Across the mid latitudes in the northern hemisphere generally cases are declining.

    Whereas in south America and the southern hemisphere infection rates are increasing as they go in to their winter.


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  • #5281
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Posted on the main thread but probably something to be posted here as well seeing as they use it as a metric for easing restrictions

    HSE Hosptial Operations report for today

    As of 8pm there are 364 confirmed cases and 285 suspected cases.
    At 8am that was 368 and 403 suspected cases so based off that 8pm figures we can clearly see that suspected cases doesn't quite tell us much about the overall trend.

    As of 8pm 54 in ICU down 1 from yesterday with 1 less also reported on ventilator so good news for someone and their family there. No ICU deaths reported.


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