Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

thelad95 · 19-05-2020 08:18PM

You know I personally was very much for all the restrictions and have kept to them wholeheartedly since day 1. However, I and indeed many others, are beginning to grow weary.

A few weeks ago, when this was at it's peak, it was really only the bald headed, 5G conspiracy wielding uneducated nutcases (you know the type) who were really against this thing and feeling like 'der civel libertees were been violated by de caretaker guberment'.

However, this pedestrian lifting of restrictions and a certain air of condescension from the NPHET heads towards the general public who have followed the admittedly necessary draconian restrictions for over 2 months now, will very quickly lose the support of the public. We've been at this for long enough now, we know to wash our hands, to keep our distance, us office workers will continue working from home, hand-shakes are a thing of the past etc etc etc.

Community transmission is virtually extinct (the words of the CMO of our HSE, Dr. Tony Holohan). The risk of getting the disease now is a lot lot lower than it was back in early March when the disease was very much here but our very own government refused to take the necessary measures until being handheld by the WHO declaring it a pandemic. Even then, they stumbled their way into taking the necessary measures, remember that pubs would have opened on St. Patrick's day only for the Vintners to pull the plug voluntarily.

This same government now wants to drag this thing out over the entire summer, continuing the suffering of thousands of people who've been unemployed as a result of this and driving more and more small businesses into permanent extinction. This is now the time when we should all be emerging from a horrible horrible few weeks into a new dawn, seeing friends and family we haven't seen for months and feeling their embrace and enjoying the warmth of their company.

It will remain to be seen but I sincerely sincerely hope that the government can and will accelerate life getting back to normal. More than anything, our normal health service needs to resume as best it can as well. Just wait and see we'll have a massive spike in cancer cases and fatalities in the next few years, a clear secondary tragedy in all this.

Jim_Hodge · 19-05-2020 08:19PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

With the numbers on a downward path, the justification for keeping the country in lockdown and destroying the economy even further is evaporating.

The justification is actually greater by virtue of the evidence that the plan is working.

This virus is still out there and we need to suppress it to the nth degree.

Tony EH · 19-05-2020 08:20PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

With the numbers on a downward path, the justification for keeping the country in lockdown and destroying the economy even further is evaporating.

Economies can be rebuilt and we're not even 9 weeks into this yet. It's a mere blip on a calender so far.

Death, on the other hand, is forever.

If downward trends are still looking positive at the end of phase 1, then review the situation. Until then keep it should be kept as it is.

Temporary economic hardship doesn't trump life and death situations.

Plumbthedepths · 19-05-2020 08:22PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The justification is actually greater by virtue of the evidence that the plan is working.

Thus virus is still out there and we need to suppress it to the nth degree.

And the virus will still be out there next year and the year after. How many non Covid deaths do you think justify the present course of action. Cancer screening paused for example.

MerlinSouthDub · 19-05-2020 08:23PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Death, on the other hand, is forever.

It is indeed. And thousands will die due to delayed cancer treatment and diagnosis.

Tony EH · 19-05-2020 08:24PM

eagle eye wrote: »

My biggest concern is the large amount of Irish buffoons who think they'll be alright. I'm predicting we'll be in a full on second wave by mid August. Our government not doing the right things and those buffoons being front and centre in responsibility for it.

This could well happen.

Open up too early and you could have a load of asymptomatic gobshites going around spreading the virus because they think everything is grand.

We could be in for another 2 and half months of lockdown again is a short while if the numbers rise significantly, which will bugger things up even more.

Plumbthedepths · 19-05-2020 08:25PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Temporary economic hardship doesn't trump life and death situations.

I remember many families seeking life saving/ changing drug treatments for their children but being denied because of cost and that was during a thriving economy. We are predicted to enter a deep recession , what will fund the health service?

Arghus · 19-05-2020 08:25PM

I see the migration from the relaxation of restrictions thread has begun.

DevilsHaircut · 19-05-2020 08:26PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Easy way around doh recommendation. retail business should just make a face coverings mandatory for entrance and use of there services.

From the US Center for Disease Control:

https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/1262820432010502146

retro:electro · 19-05-2020 08:27PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

This is shocking. Really short-sighted. It was hard enough to get people to take me seriously when I suspected cancer and that was when screening programmes and clinics were running as normal. How many people will get fobbed off now because cancer screening isn’t happening? This will cost lives. :mad::(

https://twitter.com/morningireland/status/1262646045743423488?s=21

It genuinely makes me sick to the pit of my stomach. I posted some comments a few weeks ago on another thread that had been left under Simon Harris’ Instagram. I’ll post them again here now, and there was loads more in a similar vein. He was urging people who have any symptoms to contact their GP but sure what good is than when the service they need results in them being referred to screening by their GP; screening that is cancelled with no end date in sight? I genuinely don’t know why there isn’t a bigger deal being made of this it’s fcuking disgraceful

Tony EH · 19-05-2020 08:30PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I remember many families seeking life saving/ changing drug treatments for their children but being denied because of cost and that was during a thriving economy. We are predicted to enter a deep recession , what will fund the health service?

This gets WORSE if another lockdown has to be put in place.

What do not get about this?

AlmightyCushion · 19-05-2020 08:30PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

With the numbers on a downward path, the justification for keeping the country in lockdown and destroying the economy even further is evaporating.

Crazy thought here but perhaps the decrease in case numbers is linked to the lockdown measures that are in place.

fr336 · 19-05-2020 08:31PM

I'm guessing you guys have seen O'Leary and Ryanair saying 98% of transmission could be cut by everyone wearing face coverings? Why is this even a debate? It should be compulsory. Immediately. It's bloody obvious for goodness sake! Avoiding getting the virus isn't the only goal - getting a smaller dose of it is also critical, as instead of ending up in hospital you could work it off at home. If face coverings even just lowered the amount of virus you inhale, they would be worth their weight in goal and smash this virus in the face nationally. I'm talking Ireland of course, where I am in England and globally. Even Trump's US are far more insistent that people should be wearing something. Why the anti mask feeling in Ireland and UK? Genuinely don't get it. Is it because they look scary? Come on.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 19-05-2020 08:31PM

retro:electro wrote: »

It genuinely makes me sick to the pit of my stomach. I posted some comments a few weeks ago on another thread that had been left under Simon Harris’ Instagram. I’ll post them again here now, and there was loads more in a similar vein. He was urging people who have any symptoms to contact their GP but sure what good is than when the service they need results in them being referred to screening by their GP; screening that is cancelled with no end date in sight? I genuinely don’t know why there isn’t a bigger deal being made of this it’s fcuking disgraceful

I can’t believe that lady has been diagnosed with bowel cancer and hasn’t been getting treatment. Bowel cancer treated at an early stage has an excellent recovery rate. Treating her would be worth the risk.

Tony EH · 19-05-2020 08:32PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Crazy thought here but perhaps the decrease in case numbers is linked to the lockdown measures that are in place.

^
How many times do people have to point this out?

DevilsHaircut · 19-05-2020 08:34PM

retro:electro wrote: »

It genuinely makes me sick to the pit of my stomach. I posted some comments a few weeks ago on another thread that had been left under Simon Harris’ Instagram. I’ll post them again here now, and there was loads more in a similar vein. He was urging people who have any symptoms to contact their GP but sure what good is than when the service they need results in them being referred to screening by their GP; screening that is cancelled with no end date in sight? I genuinely don’t know why there isn’t a bigger deal being made of this it’s fcuking disgraceful

The screening programmes are the ones that everyone in the country of a certain age (and relevant gender) gets invited to.

Not the same as people with symptoms.

Arghus · 19-05-2020 08:36PM

Tony EH wrote: »

^
How many times do people have to point this out?

A lot and it still makes no difference.

19-05-2020 08:38PM

fr336 wrote: »

I'm guessing you guys have seen O'Leary and Ryanair saying 98% of transmission could be cut by everyone wearing face coverings? Why is this even a debate? It should be compulsory. Immediately. It's bloody obvious for goodness sake! Avoiding getting the virus isn't the only goal - getting a smaller dose of it is also critical, as instead of ending up in hospital you could work it off at home. If face coverings even just lowered the amount of virus you inhale, they would be worth their weight in goal and smash this virus in the face nationally. I'm talking Ireland of course, where I am in England and globally. Even Trump's US are far more insistent that people should be wearing something. Why the anti mask feeling in Ireland and UK? Genuinely don't get it. Is it because they look scary? Come on.

When did Micheal O’Leary get his phd in epidemiology or public health?

ceadaoin. · 19-05-2020 08:38PM

retro:electro wrote: »

It genuinely makes me sick to the pit of my stomach. I posted some comments a few weeks ago on another thread that had been left under Simon Harris’ Instagram. I’ll post them again here now, and there was loads more in a similar vein. He was urging people who have any symptoms to contact their GP but sure what good is than when the service they need results in them being referred to screening by their GP; screening that is cancelled with no end date in sight? I genuinely don’t know why there isn’t a bigger deal being made of this it’s fcuking disgraceful

That is sickening alright. A person diagnosed with cancer being left with no treatment and no plan for treatment? Shocking. The poor lady and her family must be going up the wall.

And saying "if you have signs of cancer go to the gp" isn't going to help the sizeable portion of people who don't have symptoms. Thats what screening is for. If it wasn't for the breast check mammogram my mother wouldn't have known she had cancer. No lump could be felt on the outside. Luckily it was caught early and she was able to receive treatment before it had spread. God help all the people who won't have that option now

lbj666 · 19-05-2020 08:39PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

With the numbers on a downward path, the justification for keeping the country in lockdown and destroying the economy even further is evaporating.

75% polled on Claire Byrne show said that restrictions are being eased at the right pace, so that as a rough indicator means that well over half of us are hesitant to expand our movements anymore than what we are doing, that's not much of an economy to come back to just now.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 19-05-2020 08:40PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

The screening programmes are the ones that everyone in the country of a certain age (and relevant gender) gets invited to.

Not the same as people with symptoms.

But symptomatic young and not-even-so-young people routinely get fobbed off when the health system is normal. Trust me on this. So I’d have little faith in them getting seen in a timely manner with the pandemic ongoing.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 19-05-2020 08:40PM

Surely CoVid is secondary to Cancer treatment ffs.

CinemaGuy45 · 19-05-2020 08:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

When did Micheal O’Leary get his phd in epidemiology or public health?

He must have been in the same class as Bill Gates.

stephenjmcd · 19-05-2020 08:43PM

lbj666 wrote: »

75% polled on Claire Byrne show said that restrictions are being eased at the right pace, so that as a rough indicator means that well over half of us are hesitant to expand our movements anymore than what we are doing, that's not much of an economy to come back to just now.

That's now as a snapshot in time. I don't think anyone says let's just move on to the next phase next week for example. I'm fine for phase 1 to be at this pace but if the cases keep going on the same downward trajectory for the next 2 weeks then there will be serious calls for either a shortening of the phases or moving say phase 3 & 4 into the same phase.

Let's see where we're at in 2 weeks time when they review for phase 2 but if cases are extremely low they'll be under mounting pressure for some sort of movement seeing as the roadmap is a living document

DevilsHaircut · 19-05-2020 08:44PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I can’t believe that lady has been diagnosed with bowel cancer and hasn’t been getting treatment. Bowel cancer treated at an early stage has an excellent recovery rate. Treating her would be worth the risk.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

But symptomatic young and not-even-so-young people routinely get fobbed when the health system is normal. Trust me on this. So I’d have little faith in them getting seen in a timely manner with the pandemic ongoing.

For sure (by GPs in the first instance), but that's a separate issue.

It's not related to the pause in national screening programmes, which is due to the time needed to set up procedures that minimise the risk of Covid for both HCWs and patients.

Roger_007 · 19-05-2020 08:44PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I remember many families seeking life saving/ changing drug treatments for their children but being denied because of cost and that was during a thriving economy. We are predicted to enter a deep recession , what will fund the health service?

It’s bonkers the way we think of life and death these days.
The way some people go on you’d think that nobody should ever die of anything. If they do it’s because somebody must have fcuked up.
Medicine is the new religion where everyone is promised they can have eternal life by not dying. In the old religion we were promised eternal life but we had to die first.
Get over it folks. We are all going to die sometime of something. In the meantime let us all get on with living and get the most enjoyment we can from life, or are we going to spend years cowering in fear in case the virus might get us? What good is life if you can’t do the things that make it worth living.

fr336 · 19-05-2020 08:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

When did Micheal O’Leary get his phd in epidemiology or public health?

I'm guessing he's just using that rare degree in as plain as day common sense. And again I ask, why the negativity towards face masks? At worst we all feel a bit out of the norm (as if this year has been normal). At best we save thousands of lives. No brainer.

DevilsHaircut · 19-05-2020 08:45PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

That is sickening alright. A person diagnosed with cancer being left with no treatment and no plan for treatment? Shocking. The poor lady and her family must be going up the wall.

And saying "if you have signs of cancer go to the gp" isn't going to help the sizeable portion of people who don't have symptoms. Thats what screening is for. If it wasn't for the breast check mammogram my mother wouldn't have known she had cancer. No lump could be felt on the outside. Luckily it was caught early and she was able to receive treatment before it had spread. God help all the people who won't have that option now

What's happening with national screening programmes in Las Vegas?

brendanwalsh · 19-05-2020 08:46PM

fr336 wrote: »

I'm guessing you guys have seen O'Leary and Ryanair saying 98% of transmission could be cut by everyone wearing face coverings? Why is this even a debate? It should be compulsory. Immediately. It's bloody obvious for goodness sake! Avoiding getting the virus isn't the only goal - getting a smaller dose of it is also critical, as instead of ending up in hospital you could work it off at home. If face coverings even just lowered the amount of virus you inhale, they would be worth their weight in goal and smash this virus in the face nationally. I'm talking Ireland of course, where I am in England and globally. Even Trump's US are far more insistent that people should be wearing something. Why the anti mask feeling in Ireland and UK? Genuinely don't get it. Is it because they look scary? Come on.

I think it’s the old Irish adage of - “ ah shur we will be grand”.

Unfortunately the people who died from this were the old frail and infirm in nursing homes. People by in large did not experience it right in their faces (Eg their 30 year old sibling/neighbor/friend did not die etc).

This has resulted in people being anti lock down and anti PPE.

They fail to realize the lockdown was the reason this thing didn’t rip through 100,000 people.

I wear a mask every time I leave the house and couldn’t give a hoot what anyone else thinks.

The big dogs at the CDC in the US recommend face coverings and masks. I’ll take their knowledge and recommendation over Johnny from down the road sniggering at me while he queues up to buy his bulmers and ciggies.

fr336 · 19-05-2020 08:47PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

It's bonkers the way we think of life and death these days.
The way some people go on you'd think that nobody should ever die of anything. If they do it's because somebody must have fcuked up.
Medicine is the new religion where everyone is promised they can have eternal life by not dying. In the old religion we were promised eternal life but we had to die first.
Get over it folks. We are all going to die sometime of something. In the meantime let us all get on with living and get the most enjoyment we can from life, or are we going to spend years cowering in fear in case the virus might get us? What good is life if you can't do the things that make it worth living.

Nobody has ever talked about ever living for years in fear. Or even this year. We have talked about controlling the virus over the course of a few months in 2020 so that we save many lives, we don't do the economy irreparable damage by locking down time and time again, and basically making the best of a bad situation. Those chomping at the bit saying "wot you gonna do lock us up for years i've got my rites" will drag us all down with them and we will all suffer more death and more importantly to some, severe economic woes. Think depression rather than major recession. But you carry on...

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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