Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

jobeenfitz · 19-05-2020 06:32PM

MattS1 wrote: »

If there's only 50 odd new cases today, would it not make more sense to keep the lockdown for about month or two as is. Then completely eliminate it and test everyone coming in and out of the country?

Say ya do lock everybody down now while numbers are very low. Like you say, two more months.

Then maybe a 2nd wave comes in August or September, everybody would be lockdown weary.

I think that would be mad. People would go mad. There is costs to lockdown which are justified when numbers are high but not now.

Ease lockdown and act sensibly.

Ginger n Lemon · 19-05-2020 06:32PM

mean gene wrote: »

That Oxford vaccine is useless is it?

Its not useless but

"Professor of Immunology and Infectious Disease at the University of Edinburgh, Eleanor Riley, agreed the levels of virus found in the monkeys’ noses were “worrying”.

“If similar results were obtained in humans, the vaccine would likely provide partial protection against disease in the vaccine recipient but would be unlikely to reduce transmission in the wider community,” she said."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-vaccine-oxford-trials-concerns-transmission-astrazeneca-latest-a9521241.html

It does help to avoid pneumonia, so its not totally useless. But it doesnt seem to be helpful to prevent disease being transmitted from person to person. Very early days has to be said

An Ciarraioch · 19-05-2020 06:33PM

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1262795982321987584

DevilsHaircut · 19-05-2020 06:36PM

is_that_so wrote: »

CMO said GPs here are looking out for it anyway.

It's not in the case definition.

The MerrionStreet.ie tweet referred to the CMO examining the case definition.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casedefinitions/

Edit: Hadn't watched the briefing but he did heavily imply that loss of smell may indeed be added.

is_that_so · 19-05-2020 06:37PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

It's not in the case definition.

The MerrionStreet.ie tweet referred to the CMO examining the case definition.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casedefinitions/

Fair enough, he just stated they are looking out for it anyway.

mean gene · 19-05-2020 06:37PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Its not useless but

"Professor of Immunology and Infectious Disease at the University of Edinburgh, Eleanor Riley, agreed the levels of virus found in the monkeys’ noses were “worrying”.

“If similar results were obtained in humans, the vaccine would likely provide partial protection against disease in the vaccine recipient but would be unlikely to reduce transmission in the wider community,” she said."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-vaccine-oxford-trials-concerns-transmission-astrazeneca-latest-a9521241.html

It does help to avoid pneumonia, so its not totally useless. But it doesnt seem to be helpful to prevent disease being transmitted from person to person. Very early days has to be said

Indeed but we need something that prevents person to person transmission and they said it had 80 percent chance of that now there's no chance so it ain't good news

Stheno · 19-05-2020 06:40PM

Good to hear a bit more info around the plan for antibody testing

is_that_so · 19-05-2020 06:40PM

Serological tests in June, assay testing and some housekeeping to be done first. Random but will probably be in high and low prevalence locations. Could be repeated later in year.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 19-05-2020 06:43PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

With money to be made we are 100% to have a vaccine.

That's not a guarantee.....!

Eod100 · 19-05-2020 06:43PM

I know they've said it's under review but at this rate, wonder could certain counties have restrictions eased quicker? Or in a country the size of Ireland, is it impractical? Someone could still hop in a car and be in another county relatively quickly. Maybe it's only practical for countries the size of US and Australia say.

uncleoswald · 19-05-2020 06:43PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

With money to be made we are 100% to have a vaccine.

It genuinely baffles me that an adult human being could look at that 'article' and not know it was bullsh*t.

Edit - Your post doesn't even make any sense, Gates has spent more money giving out vaccines then he has made (part of his plan to reduce population of course...)

Arghus · 19-05-2020 06:43PM

Freudian slip there - And I can go through you.

KrustyUCC · 19-05-2020 06:47PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I know they've said it's under review but at this rate, wonder could certain counties have restrictions eased quicker? Or in a country the size of Ireland, is it impractical? Someone could still hop in a car and be in another county relatively quickly. Maybe it's only practical for countries the size of US and Australia say.

I'm not sure its practical but what criteria would you use?

Like if it's number of cases Cork is top three

However its in bottom 10 of cases per 100,000

MonkieSocks · 19-05-2020 06:47PM

Stheno wrote: »

Good to hear a bit more info around the plan for antibody testing

Here's a video on how it's done.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta takes coronavirus antibody test

Antibody Testing Video

caveat emptor · 19-05-2020 06:48PM

Revisonist history going on. "How could we have known it was asymptomatic in March?"

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1220946190126264320?s=20

An Ciarraioch · 19-05-2020 06:48PM

And all counties have more or less the same current transmission rate.

Eod100 · 19-05-2020 06:50PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I'm not sure its practical but what criteria would you use?

Like if it's number of cases Cork is top three

However its in bottom 10 of cases per 100,000

Could be per capita generally and number of actual cases in specific country, specific hospital in county etc.

Not sure it is practical though because many people work and live in different counties and also some hospitals serve number of counties so if there's a spike in a few of them, may not be able to handle it say. Just thinking out loud really!

Arghus · 19-05-2020 06:53PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Revisonist history going on. "How could we have known it was asymptomatic in March?"

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1220946190126264320?s=20

There was no consensus that it was spread asymptomatically until much further into the outbreak. It's not revisionist history to say they were following the advice and understanding of the WHO and EDC.

moonlighting_1 · 19-05-2020 06:53PM

Nobody wearing masks today and things are getting busy again. Wont be long before wave 2 hits.

Arghus · 19-05-2020 06:57PM

moonlighting_1 wrote: »

Nobody wearing masks today and things are getting busy again. Wont be long before wave 2 hits.

To be honest, I partly blame the wishy-washy approach by the DoH and the government - more or less, "sure wear a mask if you like."

Arghus · 19-05-2020 06:58PM

This part stinks of positive spin.

19-05-2020 06:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I reckon we'll see a change in case definition at the next NPHET meeting. Need to broaden it even more now, let people self-refer and try to fill the capacity we have.

The one danger is where someone self refers when they had no symptoms and test negative. They them believe that the don’t have the virus when they actually develop symptoms a few days later and don’t self isolate, when in fact they tested negative during the incubation period

19-05-2020 07:01PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

I decided to steer clear of Aldi and Lidl from the beginning. Their layouts and attitude just don't lend themselves to social distancing or even common courtesy in my experience.

I haven't seen a queue outside my local Tesco at all, although I've only been late in the evening. Inside has been mostly OK, but the thursday night before the May weekend was a free-for all inside. I ended up in queue for the checkout that went up one of the isles. This woman came over and butted in front of me within a meter to studiously inspect the Yankee Candles for 2 minutes. She then decided against the random purchase of an overpriced scented candle at 9.30PM. Meanwhile there was another couple just across from me blocking up the aisle making very heavy weather of the comparative benifits of CommandStrips over BluTac Foam Pads. Aside from that night, Tesco has been OK. This Tesco is old and grim at the best of times. The staff have the look of caged animals in a Vietnamese market, but that's both nothing new and forgivable given the circumstances.

Our Dunnes have a well organised queue, mostly snaking through a large marquee. Inside is pleasant and respectful. Staff are chatty and nice. Dunnes have good signage, good screens for the checkout staff, a one-way system in and out of the shop and just give you the feeling of being on top of things.

Local Costcutter is a pleasure too. Organised queue when it's busy, but mostly it's people getting in and out as fast as possible. Plenty of space, and they staff are their usual chirpy selves.

Lidl near me has been brilliant. Organised queue, low numbers inside and well manned tills to keep people moving

Eod100 · 19-05-2020 07:02PM

I know they say they don't want to apportion blame. But wanting to know it got into specific locations isn't blame. If anything it would be beneficial to learn how it was to try to either prevent or delay something similar in future and change policies.

As in if it was patients who may have had it being discharged into care homes or staff working in care homes and in other settings where they may have picked it up or lack of PPE etc. Think that's all worth knowing.

Hopefully there will be some sort of retrospective report to see how it was handled. Nobody is perfect and can learn from mistakes or delays in making right decisions. See that as constructive criticism.

19-05-2020 07:03PM

On a brighter note, we closed one of our covid wards in the hospital I work in today due to decrease in numbers in overall numbers. We are doing a lot better than we were even a month ago

Eod100 · 19-05-2020 07:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The one danger is where someone self refers when they had no symptoms and test negative. They them believe that the don’t have the virus when they actually develop symptoms a few days later and don’t self isolate, when in fact they tested negative during the incubation period

I get what you mean but guess that is a risk for anyone who gets tested.

Eod100 · 19-05-2020 07:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

On a brighter note, we closed one of our covid wards in the hospital I work in today due to decrease in numbers in overall numbers. We are doing a lot better than we were even a month ago

Great news! Thanks to you and colleagues for all your hard work

19-05-2020 07:05PM

Bridge93 wrote: »

So we’ve capacity (confirmed?) to test 100,000 a week and last week just under 37,000 were completed. Time to massively ramp up

It’s better to only test who need it and maintain spare capacity for when /if a new wave comes. Testing a random would only give a false sense of security

ACitizenErased · 19-05-2020 07:06PM

Did nobody ask De Gascun about testing numbers?

KrustyUCC · 19-05-2020 07:07PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Could be per capita generally and number of actual cases in specific country, specific hospital in county etc.

Not sure it is practical though because many people work and live in different counties and also some hospitals serve number of counties so if there's a spike in a few of them, may not be able to handle it say. Just thinking out loud really!

Yeah I'm not arguing

Just dont know how you'd go about deciding

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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