Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

is_that_so · 19-05-2020 04:40PM

US2 wrote: »

It's for under 12s. Corona doesn't affect them and they're rarely hospitalised with flu

Flu' is a very big killer of kids under 5 in some countries.

bekker · 19-05-2020 04:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In law it is the employer who is responsible for employees health and safety, and in the case of the Dáil that's the state, so it is no surprise that have clear guidelines, and remember it is probably more down to civil service staff who work in the dáil than TD's that these are in place. The legal responsibility to put controls in place in the meat factories are the owner. They are leaving themselves open to potential legal action should someone die or suffer long term effects if they have not put reasonable measures in place in line with HSE guidance. No doubt though on the outside they have probably given the appearance of conforming to guidelines, while in reality just paying lip service

Agree with all points, except for liability.

Very difficult to prove employer liability on health issues retrospectively unless egregious flouting of regs can be documented.

Experience would indicate that by the time it becomes an issue, lip service compliance practices are cleaned-up and there aren't ongoing breaches that can be documented.

Employees in such environments caught attempting to document breaches proactively cease to be employed.

stephenjmcd · 19-05-2020 04:56PM

ek motor wrote: »

It's up 79 from Sunday night, definitely a significant increase.

Confirmed cases Sunday morning 8am: 395
Confirmed cases Sunday 8pm:375
Suspected cases 8am: 325
Suspected cases 8pm: 194

Total 8am - 720
Total 8pm - 569

Monday
Confirmed 8am - 386
Suspected- 367
Total 8am 753

Confirmed 8pm - 376
Suspected - 272
Total 648

So despite an increase in suspected cases this doesn't translate to confirmed cases and still less than Sunday morning. Theres more awaiting test results last night than Sunday so theres your increase.

So it's not a substantial increase at all in confirmed cases, an increase of 1, this despite there being 376 suspected at 8am and 272 at 8pm. Over 100 suspected cases for an increase of 1 in total.

I'd suggest you go back through the HSE reports to see how the numbers of suspected cases fluctuate day to day and at various times throughout the days.
Trend is still very much downwards and stable. Of course the media will come out with the headline of an increase. That suspected increase could be cleared in tonight's figures.

19-05-2020 05:03PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Agreed. Plus temperature checks.

Quatantine 100% of arrivals is half as$ lazy approach that will kill tourism. 265,000 employed in d sector

Temperature checks are next to useless for use in an airport. Expected better research from yourself. Hey ho, though.

Out of curiosity, is the rest of the pro economic brigade in your little "anti-vaxxer" agenda or have you taken them for chumps!?

An Ciarraioch · 19-05-2020 05:05PM

Slight resurgence in Italian daily fatalities, going from 99 to 162.

ZX7R · 19-05-2020 05:08PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

They may be rarely hospitalised with flu, but they are significant spreaders of it (unlike Covid 19, it seems). You can't spread it if you're immune from vaccination. Them being immune protects the people that would be hospitalised with it.

A couple of years ago the HSE and NHS planed on a vaccination programme for under 12 after both countries experienced a bad flu season.
HSE decided to roll out vaccination for most at risk at the time as it was deemed to expensive at the time and GP's were not too pushed about it neither.
I don't know if the NHS followed through with the plan.

the kelt · 19-05-2020 05:09PM

Ive no issue with the 14 day quarantine at airports, should have been done quicker imho.

It all seems kinda pointless though when the UK is the worst affected juristiction in Europe and people have free rein to take day trips into the republic without any hinderance. Will there be the same quarantine for sea ports?

Its like having a nite club and closing the main doors to limit numbers yet allowing as many as they want to go in and out the fire exits.

What Username Guidelines · 19-05-2020 05:10PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Slight resurgence in Italian daily fatalities, going from 99 to 162.

New cases too - 813 from 451 yesterday. Obviously it's jsut one day and cannot be from loosening restrictions, although having said that, here they are today...

https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1262496678914990091?s=20

19-05-2020 05:17PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

New cases too - 813 from 451 yesterday. Obviously it's jsut one day and cannot be from loosening restrictions, although having said that, here they are today...

https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1262496678914990091?s=20

I don't tend to follow other countries too closely. Obviously Italy have to reopen as there economy was already bad going into this.

Is social distancing supposed to be in place over there and just getting ignored?

Kermit.de.frog · 19-05-2020 05:22PM

ek motor wrote: »

It's up 79 from Sunday night, definitely a significant increase.

There seems to be some who believe that something has magically changed between the end of February and now.

Nothing has changed. Virus is still as contagious and dangerous.

Many of us are blue in the face imploring people against complacency and ignorance so that we don't have to learn the hard way.

We need to be very careful about how we go about things in the coming weeks and months.

Indestructable · 19-05-2020 05:23PM

Apparently Italy did 30k more tests today which would account for the rise.

The UK reporting an additional 500+ deaths, but a lot of these are backdated.

Seems that Tuesday catches up on weekend numbers in a lot of country's.

New Home · 19-05-2020 05:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't tend to follow other countries too closely. Obviously Italy have to reopen as there economy was already bad going into this.

Is social distancing supposed to be in place over there and just getting ignored?

Aside from social distancing, they should all still be wearing a mask, AFAIK.

ETA: Not sure if it was the same bar, but the police had to intervene last night. They're talking about fining both the culprits among the customers AND the owners of the bar itself while the president of the region is threatening to close everything down again.

stephenjmcd · 19-05-2020 05:27PM

Indestructable wrote: »

Apparently Italy did 30k more tests today which would account for the rise.

The UK reporting an additional 500+ deaths, but a lot of these are backdated.

Seems that Tuesday catches up on weekend numbers in a lot of country's.

Yeah Italy only tested in the mid 30,000s for yesterdays figures which would have included Sunday. The 60k region seems to be their weekday testing capacity.

Hmmzis · 19-05-2020 05:27PM

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.14.20101998v1

Looks like visceral fat is a big risk factor.

On the other hand:

"There was no significant correlation of subcutaneous fat area (SFA) or body mass index (BMI) with severe clinical courses of COVID-19"

Eod100 · 19-05-2020 05:29PM

Went to the shop there and would be doing well if 10% of people were wearing face mask or covering. Think they should ask staff to wear them too for their own sake more than anything. Good thing is, people tend to steer a bit more clear if you're wearing a mask I find.

stephenjmcd · 19-05-2020 05:31PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't tend to follow other countries too closely. Obviously Italy have to reopen as there economy was already bad going into this.

Is social distancing supposed to be in place over there and just getting ignored?

Yup distancing and masks as far as I'm aware

Gregor Samsa · 19-05-2020 05:39PM

New Home wrote: »

Aside from social distancing, they should all still be wearing a mask, AFAIK.

ETA: Not sure if it was the same bar, but the police had to intervene last night. They're talking about fining both the culprits among the customers AND the owners of the bar itself while the president of the region is threatening to close everything down again.

Hey, some of them are "wearing" masks!

(In fairness, my understanding is that in Italy, masks are only required on public transport and in shops. But still, you're 100% not supposed to do this with your mask. This is an example of the misuse that some people fear will make things worse with non-clinical mask-wearing).

stephenjmcd · 19-05-2020 05:39PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Went to the shop there and would be doing well if 10% of people were wearing face mask or covering. Think they should ask staff to wear them too for their own sake more than anything. Good thing is, people tend to steer a bit more clear if you're wearing a mask I find.

In from Aldi myself not long. 2 people in the whole shop wearing masks. Social distancing non existent. Not for the first time seeing social distancing in shops not being followed in the last 2 weeks. Said it before people who think it'll be followed in say September when everything should be reopened might need to rethink seeing as it's not being followed in the handful of places already open

Kermit.de.frog · 19-05-2020 05:44PM

Going to be another bad number for the US today - quite the surge in recorded deaths in a number of states so far today (although some of this could be normal weekend delays).

iamwhoiam · 19-05-2020 05:46PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

In from Aldi myself not long. 2 people in the whole shop wearing masks. Social distancing non existent. Not for the first time seeing social distancing in shops not being followed in the last 2 weeks. Said it before people who think it'll be followed in say September when everything should be reopened might need to rethink seeing as it's not being followed in the handful of places already open

Aldi has been lax now for weeks . No queue organised outside but jam packed inside

eagle eye · 19-05-2020 05:47PM

My wife just came back from the shops saying social distancing looks like a thing of the past to most people. She wasn't very comfortable and abandoned shopping.

stephenjmcd · 19-05-2020 05:47PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Aldi has been lax now for weeks . No queue organised outside but jam packed inside

Had been grand outside in my local one but inside people chatting away and reaching over each other. Today both out the window

Eod100 · 19-05-2020 05:47PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Aldi has been lax now for weeks . No queue organised outside but jam packed inside

You'd have thought of all of them they'd be one of the most organised. Do they just not want to hire extra staff to organise queue or something?

Kermit.de.frog · 19-05-2020 05:48PM

Waiting for the DOH briefing.

Fill me with thanks if you think the RTE player is sh!t.

stephenjmcd · 19-05-2020 05:50PM

Rte:
The Health and Safety Authority has assigned 67 of its 109 field inspectors to carry out oversight of compliance with Covid-19 safety measures in the workplace, according to its Chief Executive Dr Sharon McGuinness.

ek motor · 19-05-2020 05:50PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Aldi has been lax now for weeks . No queue organised outside but jam packed inside

Local Aldi in Galway yesterday morning about half the shoppers wearing masks, far more than a couple of weeks previously. Almost everyone seems to make a genuine effort keeping a bit of distance. Probably varies place to place .

An Ciarraioch · 19-05-2020 05:51PM

The new app is a lot less buggy than the previous versions, at least.

Goldengirl · 19-05-2020 05:51PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Would it be wise to give a relatively untrialled vaccine to children when Covid is not dangerous to them?

Ah Fintan, children would be the last to get any vaccine as well you know!

19-05-2020 05:53PM

Eod100 wrote: »

You'd have thought of all of them they'd be one of the most organised. Do they just not want to hire extra staff to organise queue or something?

My local Lidl has an extra staff member floating around. If the number of visitors piles on, he's stationed outside the door keeping the balance. Otherwise he observes shoppers making way to checkout. People by and large are intelligent enough to maintain social distancing, everyone benefits as a result.

stephenjmcd · 19-05-2020 05:54PM

16 deaths recorded today and 51 new cases.

criteria for tests was changed 2 weeks ago and no increase in cases despite capacity to do 15,000 tests per day

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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