Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

US2 · 19-05-2020 02:54PM

What's the idea behind the free flu vaccine for under 12s accounted this morning? Do we have a problem with flu or are they expecting alot of u12s hospitalised with flu this year?

stephenjmcd · 19-05-2020 03:00PM

Paul Reid contradicting the CMO again today

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1262742362695929859

Gregor Samsa · 19-05-2020 03:01PM

US2 wrote: »

What's the idea behind the free flu vaccine for under 12s accounted this morning? Do we have a problem with flu or are they expecting alot of u12s hospitalised with flu this year?

They don't want a bad flu season clogging up the health system at a time that they need to keep it free for a potential wave of Covid 19 cases. It's known that kids definitely do spread flu. So nip it in the bud with widespread vaccination.

US2 · 19-05-2020 03:04PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

They don't want a bad flu season clogging up the health system at a time that they need to keep it free for a potential wave of Covid 19 cases. It's known that kids definitely do spread flu. So nip it in the bud with widespread vaccination.

The health system is the quietest it's ever been.

bekker · 19-05-2020 03:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Doesn't say the Dáil has to close for 14 days, just the people there with the index case. Meat plants often run on multiple shifts and multiple areas. Why would the plant have to shut if a person in one area was to test positive?

At least read post that you reply to.

'Mandatory advice to Dáil, if one present in the semi-deserted Dáil Chamber tests positive, all TDs and others present for 2 hours would have to isolate for 14 days.'

Because one cannot say that contamination has not taken place, if there are any shared areas or facilities, shifts can easily ^cause^ cross-contamination on change over. The requirement is that all sharing space for 2 hours isolate for 14 days if one present tests positive.

I am not aware of any meat plants doing proactive decontamination of potentially shared spaces on shift changeovers.

Maestro85 · 19-05-2020 03:08PM

bekker wrote: »

Colm McCarthy TD nailed HSE on contradictory advice.

Mandatory advice to Dáil, if one present in the semi-deserted Dáil Chamber tests positive, all TDs and others present for 2 hours would have to isolate for 14 days.

But if same happened in crowded meat plant it doesn't have to shut for 14 days if superviving Health Official doen't deem it necessary.

Apparently it's all down to what institutions the HSE wants to continue to function.

Good man Larry probably wouldn't allow the government to do that.

Eod100 · 19-05-2020 03:13PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Paul Reid contradicting the CMO again today

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1262742362695929859

Since CMO's assertion was employers shouldn't be receiving them full stop, specifying first seems odd. I guess if people specifically consented to sharing with employers it's probably not an issue, but they would have to specifically consent to that.

Gregor Samsa · 19-05-2020 03:15PM

US2 wrote: »

The health system is the quietest it's ever been.

Yeah, but it's not going to be quiet if there's a load of people with flu.

Plus, flu season starts around November (vaccination usually starts in October). By then, the plan is that a lot more "normal life" will be going on. More hospital appointments, elective surgery and procedures. There'll be the backlog to contend with from the current restrictions. Plus more people out and about, so back towards the usual levels of accidents. The volumes in the health system will look very different in November.

owlbethere · 19-05-2020 03:15PM

US2 wrote: »

What's the idea behind the free flu vaccine for under 12s accounted this morning? Do we have a problem with flu or are they expecting alot of u12s hospitalised with flu this year?

If there is a second wave of the virus in the wintertime, maybe flu and the virus and Co exist together in a body. That surely won't be good.

bekker · 19-05-2020 03:19PM

Maestro85 wrote: »

Good man Larry probably wouldn't allow the government to do that.

He'll probably prefer 'Bom homem' when EU/Mercosur goes into effect.

Eod100 · 19-05-2020 03:21PM

Is there expected to be a health briefing this evening with the committee on today also, does anyone know?

19-05-2020 03:28PM

bekker wrote: »

At least read post that you reply to.

'Mandatory advice to Dáil, if one present in the semi-deserted Dáil Chamber tests positive, all TDs and others present for 2 hours would have to isolate for 14 days.'

Because one cannot say that contamination has not taken place, if there are any shared areas or facilities, shifts can easily ^cause^ cross-contamination on change over. The requirement is that all sharing space for 2 hours isolate for 14 days if one present tests positive.

I am not aware of any meat plants doing proactive decontamination of potentially shared spaces on shift changeovers.

That's why its left to the local health officer to make a judgement on closure, as they will review the systems in place. I have first hand knowledge of this as where I work, at the end of a night shift an individual collapsed and was taken to hospital where they subsequently tested positive. The health officer reviewed the measures put in place by the business and judged that the actions taken - sending all who worked in close contact with individual home for 14 days, and clean down area were sufficient. Enhanced production line segregation, shift segregation, canteen arrangements and extra cleaning were deemed sufficient to ensure risk could be contained. And given only 1 other of 1000+ employees still going to work daily in the business have tested positive it suggests it works. Admittedly this Business was very proactive in putting these measures in place prior to any restrictions being implemented in the country, and it does appear that meat plants have not been doing things well, but local health offices do make these assessment every day.

tobefrank321 · 19-05-2020 03:45PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Then he left it too late . He should have looked at the disaster in Italy and acted before the first case .

We don't do foresight in this country. Anyone who tries or suggests it is labelled a Captain Hindsight later.

Fortunately for other countries they instigated lockdowns before their first death.

sheepsh4gger · 19-05-2020 03:49PM

How many days are you expected to stay home after recovering?
Technically once you recover you're not spreading the disease.

jobeenfitz · 19-05-2020 03:57PM

bekker wrote: »

Colm McCarthy TD nailed HSE on contradictory advice.

Mandatory advice to Dáil, if one present in the semi-deserted Dáil Chamber tests positive, all TDs and others present for 2 hours would have to isolate for 14 days.

But if same happened in crowded meat plant it doesn't have to shut for 14 days if superviving Health Official doen't deem it necessary.

Apparently it's all down to what institutions the HSE wants to continue to function.

Of course, JESUS, ya don't expect the Lords and the peasants to get the same treatment?

bekker · 19-05-2020 04:14PM

Your employer seems to be doing everything correctly and can see why health officer would come to decision arrived at.

However, individual health officers are being placed in a very invidious position when faced with having to close what is probably the major if not sole large scale employer in a rural area. That's putting '00 out of work, and alienating powerful financial interests when experience has taught that backing for their decision may fail to materialize.

HSE and DOH have track records of applying regulations variably and seemingly avoiding implementing them where it proves inconvenient.

US2 · 19-05-2020 04:15PM

owlbethere wrote: »

If there is a second wave of the virus in the wintertime, maybe flu and the virus and Co exist together in a body. That surely won't be good.

It's for under 12s. Corona doesn't affect them and they're rarely hospitalised with flu

Eod100 · 19-05-2020 04:17PM

Health briefing at usual time of 5.30 (ish): https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1262761208249110528?s=19

eagle eye · 19-05-2020 04:19PM

Gregor Samsa wrote:

Yeah, but it's not going to be quiet if there's a load of people with flu.

If people continue to social distance and wear facemasks there shouldn't be any issues with flu.

US2 · 19-05-2020 04:21PM

owlbethere wrote: »

If there is a second wave of the virus in the wintertime, maybe flu and the virus and Co exist together in a body. That surely won't be good.

It's for under 12s. Corona doesn't affect them and they're rarely hospitalised with flu

is_that_so · 19-05-2020 04:32PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Paul Reid contradicting the CMO again today

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1262742362695929859

CMO is right in the context of confidentiality. Reid has clarified this and said it's very much an exception.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0519/1139326-coronavirus-ireland-data-protection/

ek motor · 19-05-2020 04:33PM

648 currently hospitalised with Covid-19, fairly significant increase.

is_that_so · 19-05-2020 04:34PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

We don't do foresight in this country. Anyone who tries or suggests it is labelled a Captain Hindsight later.

Fortunately for other countries they instigated lockdowns before their first death.

Sure, it's only hindsight that told you this anyway!

is_that_so · 19-05-2020 04:35PM

ek motor wrote: »

648 currently hospitalised with Covid-19, fairly significant increase.

Numbers were not going to stay static and that was always a possibility. ICU still at 55.

Gregor Samsa · 19-05-2020 04:35PM

eagle eye wrote: »

If people continue to social distance and wear facemasks there shouldn't be any issues with flu.

One would hope, but I guess one wouldn't bank the whole health system on it, especially when there's a proven vaccine available.

is_that_so · 19-05-2020 04:36PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Is there expected to be a health briefing this evening with the committee on today also, does anyone know?

Yep at the usual official time.

19-05-2020 04:36PM

bekker wrote: »

Your employer seems to be doing everything correctly and can see why health officer would come to decision arrived at.

However, individual health officers are being placed in a very invidious position when faced with having to close what is probably the major if not sole large scale employer in a rural area. That's putting '00 out of work, and alienating powerful financial interests when experience has taught that backing for their decision may fail to materialize.

HSE and DOH have track records of applying regulations variably and seemingly avoiding implementing them where it proves inconvenient.

In law it is the employer who is responsible for employees health and safety, and in the case of the Dáil that's the state, so it is no surprise that have clear guidelines, and remember it is probably more down to civil service staff who work in the dáil than TD's that these are in place. The legal responsibility to put controls in place in the meat factories are the owner. They are leaving themselves open to potential legal action should someone die or suffer long term effects if they have not put reasonable measures in place in line with HSE guidance. No doubt though on the outside they have probably given the appearance of conforming to guidelines, while in reality just paying lip service

stephenjmcd · 19-05-2020 04:37PM

ek motor wrote: »

648 currently hospitalised with Covid-19, fairly significant increase.

That's including suspected cases. It's not a major increase at all. Actually quite steady over the last few days.
You can go back over the figures for the last few days in the HSE operations report.

Gregor Samsa · 19-05-2020 04:38PM

US2 wrote: »

It's for under 12s. Corona doesn't affect them and they're rarely hospitalised with flu

They may be rarely hospitalised with flu, but they are significant spreaders of it (unlike Covid 19, it seems). You can't spread it if you're immune from vaccination. Them being immune protects the people that would be hospitalised with it.

ek motor · 19-05-2020 04:40PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That's including suspected cases. It's not a major increase at all. Actually quite steady over the last few days.
You can go back over the figures for the last few days in the HSE operations report.

It's up 79 from Sunday night, definitely a significant increase.

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