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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #4922
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    manniot2 wrote: »
    Absolutely agree, complete disgrace. Why is this not picked up by the media?

    Are you for real, it was the media that feckin asked and aired the question and answer on national radio.

    This thread is hanging on the precipice and about to fall in to the conspiracy theories forum.


  • #4923
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Paywall but nonetheless an interesting first paragraph into their thinking going into this

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/senior-officials-fear-bullying-from-d%C3%A1il-covid-19-committee-1.4256698?mode=amp


  • #4924
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I know, I can see that , but surely the obese were there for the last 10 years if not more ?
    And are yet more public service announcements going to stop that cohort from having another doughnut ? Don’t this so.

    By the way I’m not obese, 5’9” and 10.5 stone I’ve actually lost weight as I’m exercising far more........but I’m really really weary of all this Government “advice” and bullet pointed announcements every day . They’re on every station too so it’s hard to avoid. :(

    It's okay sure aren't you leaving the country as you are sick of it all.

    Not to worry.


  • #4925
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    almostover wrote: »
    First day of easing restrictions not going well. Was in the local park earlier, jammed full of large gangs of teenagers blind drunk. Girlfriend reported it to the Gardai, they've had multiple complaints and had been there earlier to break other groups up. Elderly people out in the park with masks on and terrified. Another local village has had fires lit in a graveyard by drunk teens.

    Time to open up the schools or else put them all on work experience in an ICU. Would soften their cough fairly lively.

    BTW I'm 29, so not a old fart giving out. Still young enough to remember when I was 15.

    oh lord
    I hope you patted her on the back too and sent in her application for citizen/comrade of the year.:rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #4926
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Paywall but nonetheless an interesting first paragraph into their thinking going into this

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/senior-officials-fear-bullying-from-d%C3%A1il-covid-19-committee-1.4256698?mode=amp

    What are you reading into it?

    It appears to be nothing more than ensuring that the new Oireachtas code of conduct is implemented following the fall out from when Kerins appeared before one.


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  • #4927
    lord quackinton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 352 ✭✭lord quackinton


    ednwireland wrote: »
    it is a total disgrace, heard about someone who was diagnosed with cance rtwo months ago and hasnt had any contact since forem the HSE, but then the hse seem good at ignoring cancer




    exactly. well said.

    this is the harsh truth.
    we have a very poor health system with disgraceful waiting times.

    we were told the country had no money to improve it.
    we are now on course to borrow anywhere from 21 to 30 billion to aid in fighting the virus and its economic fallout.


    cancer kills thousands every year in Ireland and will continue to do so long after this virus is gone, biggest killer by a distance.
    If i could ask tony holohan one question - why is this not an emergency that requires billions of investment?


  • #4928
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Hurrache wrote: »
    The 2 parts of your statement are mutually exclusive.

    Based on this thread the last few days the only thing that surprises me is that Gemma O'Doherty didn't manifest more votes than she did.

    And yet you keep reading and posting.


  • #4929
    Paddygreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    Heavily policed social distancing and masking up will need to be made compulsory to put peoples minds at ease until they get their vaccines. Claire Byrnes socially distanced pub is the way forward. Compulsory masks needs to become a thing, if people thought of them as condoms for their potentially infected faces it would soon become taboo not to wear one.


  • #4930
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,788 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yesterday I heard two advertisements on Radio

    1. The weather is good, the sun is shining, we’re all out walking , “ please put on sunscreen we’re all in this together “

    2. We’re all at home, we’re all eating more “please just eat 3 meals a day we’re all in this together”

    “Please stay the course”
    ............brought to you by the Government of Ireland .

    This country is beginning to sound more like a dictatorship every day, there is an element of control about these. I know the are public health announcements but it’s nobody’s business how much anyone eats . We’re not babies, if the weather is warm we know to put on sunscreen. We don’t need our government to give a list of instructions every day !

    On another note a woman was interviewed at a garden centre on the News yesterday, saying it’s nice to get out but “we’re doing what we’re told”! Another man coming out of Woodies saying this queueing will be part of life for YEARS ! A lot of people seem to need hand holding and instructions on everything. Fear, fear, fear !

    He's right though. While there was good news out of the US yesterday regarding a vaccine it still has a long way to go. It looks like the Oxford vaccine that got all the funding can stop symptoms but won't stop people catching the virus. This will go on until a vaccine or a cure is found.


  • #4931
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    exactly. well said.

    this is the harsh truth.
    we have a very poor health system with disgraceful waiting times.

    we were told the country had no money to improve it.
    we are now on course to borrow anywhere from 21 to 30 billion to aid in fighting the virus and its economic fallout.


    cancer kills thousands every year in Ireland and will continue to do so long after this virus is gone, biggest killer by a distance.
    If i could ask tony holohan one question - why is this not an emergency that requires billions of investment?

    agreed. plenty of other operations and treatments cancelled too.
    of course they aren't life threatening now but many will be if not acted on. And of course there are huge quality of life issues.

    I know 2 people in this situation waiting for reschedules but no word.
    Also goes to show that even your private healthcare matters not a fcuk in the HSE.

    Shocking behaviour given the actual number of serious cases of covid we've had.


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  • #4932
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    robbiezero wrote: »
    And yet you keep reading and posting.

    Who doesn't like fiction?


  • #4933
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Who doesn't like fiction?

    Plenty of fiction alright, from all sides.


  • #4934
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    pjohnson wrote: »
    To use yesterdays of repeated line when UK links were provided.


    What about Irish sources?
    manniot2 wrote: »
    Absolutely agree, complete disgrace. Why is this not picked up by the media?

    Our media has been led by the nose since the beginning of this. Reporting and regurgitating soundbites from HSE, NPHET and government. Those that are interviewed are selected to fit the narrative. It's easy to cherry-pick which experts to showcase and which to sideline.

    The lack of critical thinking from journalists is baffling.

    The tide will begin to turn as it won't be considered career suicide to question lockdown duration and the experts advocating it, and to highlight the many that are suffering serious economic, mental health and non-covid life-threatening illness issues.


  • #4935
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    Our media has been led by the nose since the beginning of this. Reporting and regurgitating soundbites from HSE, NPHET and government. Those that are interviewed are selected to fit the narrative. It's easy to cherry-pick which experts to showcase and which to sideline.

    The lack of critical thinking from journalists is baffling.

    The tide will begin to turn as it won't be considered career suicide to question lockdown duration and the experts advocating it, and to highlight the many that are suffering serious economic, mental health and non-covid life-threatening illness issues.
    I agree on the journalists but who exactly has been sidelined?


  • #4936
    boring accountant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭boring accountant


    wakka12 wrote: »
    So over 76% dying of rather than with COVID... at least can be put to bed then that most victims would have died anyway.

    All victims would have died anyway. I don’t need a graph to prove that.


  • #4937
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    snotboogie wrote: »
    He's right though. While there was good news out of the US yesterday regarding a vaccine it still has a long way to go. It looks like the Oxford vaccine that got all the funding can stop symptoms but won't stop people catching the virus. This will go on until a vaccine or a cure is found.

    Oxford vaccine is still progressing to the next phases, its still a huge potential vaccine as it may limit the effects and prevent a severe illness bringing it back to potentially the affects of a head cold

    https://twitter.com/MackayIM/status/1261893528508002304?s=19


  • #4938
    lord quackinton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 352 ✭✭lord quackinton


    paw patrol wrote: »
    agreed. plenty of other operations and treatments cancelled too.
    of course they aren't life threatening now but many will be if not acted on. And of course there are huge quality of life issues.

    I know 2 people in this situation waiting for reschedules but no word.
    Also goes to show that even your private healthcare matters not a fcuk in the HSE.

    Shocking behaviour given the actual number of serious cases of covid we've had.




    as soon as this virus starts to decline - we as a nation should refuse to go back to the normal.
    we should demand that our health system is fixed.

    we should keep private but demand public system is vastly improved.
    there are no excuses now, a child have to wait on the public list for 1 to 2 years to have tonsils removed - outrageous stuff.


  • #4939
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No cancer screening for the foreseeable future. If you think you have symptoms, go to your GP...
    Economy is tanking. Estimates that they we'll need to borrow 30 billion.
    "The economy will bounce right back though"... Will it? Huge numbers of people will be too afraid to fly. Retail shops, pubs, restaurants etc won't be able to run at full capacity due to social distancing. Some businesses have already closed down permanently.
    Hospitals lying empty. Wait times are going to be scandalous when they actually start operating again.

    But this is fine... stay the course... stay locked down until August at least.

    Anybody that actually wants us to try to balance things in society sensibly is accused of killing granny and granddad.

    The reaction to Covid is completely disproportionate. You should never put all your eggs in one basket and thats exactly what we've done. Stop the mild virus at ALL costs.


  • #4940
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭storker


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    The lack of critical thinking from journalists is baffling.

    I stopped being baffled by this a long time ago. Lack of critical thinking from (most) journalists has been a feature of Irish journalism for some time. I suppose it's only when people stop agreeing with them that they actually notice this.

    Joournalists nowadays are no more than hi-tech town cryers, slavishly regurgitating press releases with nary a hint of analysis or critical evaluation of the content. What I'm not sure about is if this is because they lack the intellectual firepower, or sufficent curiosity, or they're just afraid of being kept "out of the loop" if they break the rules of the game.


  • #4941
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭storker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Anybody that actually wants us to try to balance things in society sensibly is accused of killing granny and granddad.

    I wonder why... :rolleyes:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113357466&postcount=8414


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  • #4942
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    You know three of those five links are not Covid related at all?


  • #4943
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I know, I can see that , but surely the obese were there for the last 10 years if not more ?
    And are yet more public service announcements going to stop that cohort from having another doughnut ? Don’t this so.

    By the way I’m not obese, 5’9” and 10.5 stone I’ve actually lost weight as I’m exercising far more........but I’m really really weary of all this Government “advice” and bullet pointed announcements every day . They’re on every station too so it’s hard to avoid. :(

    Advertising is all about persuasion. If the tone of the ad is one of instruction, as it seems to be, it will fail. I also detest that patronising phrase "We're all in this together".

    I would, however, be in favour of a well written advertising campaign promoting healthy eating, sun protection or any other health message. We are, by and large, not a healthy nation.


  • #4944
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    You know three of those five links are not Covid related at all?

    First was, the rest were related to recent criticism of cancer services in Ireland. But I then knew that it still wouldn't be sufficient for theorists and couldn't be arsed as it takes the joy from the bemusement out of this thread.


  • #4945
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    Heavily policed social distancing and masking up will need to be made compulsory to put peoples minds at ease until they get their vaccines. Claire Byrnes socially distanced pub is the way forward. Compulsory masks needs to become a thing, if people thought of them as condoms for their potentially infected faces it would soon become taboo not to wear one.

    Nonsense, the best mask is keeping distance from people, you think it should be mandatory to wear on the street ?

    Public transport fair enough, but outdoors ? ridiculous.


  • #4946
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No cancer screening for the foreseeable future. If you think you have symptoms, go to your GP...
    Economy is tanking. Estimates that they we'll need to borrow 30 billion.
    "The economy will bounce right back though"... Will it? Huge numbers of people will be too afraid to fly. Retail shops, pubs, restaurants etc won't be able to run at full capacity due to social distancing. Some businesses have already closed down permanently.
    Hospitals lying empty. Wait times are going to be scandalous when they actually start operating again.

    But this is fine... stay the course... stay locked down until August at least.

    Anybody that actually wants us to try to balance things in society sensibly is accused of killing granny and granddad.

    The reaction to Covid is completely disproportionate. You should never put all your eggs in one basket and thats exactly what we've done. Stop the mild virus at ALL costs.

    No journalist, to my knowledge, has drilled down into this. Why is it happening? Is it a HSE decision, a staff decision, a lack of testing facilities, what is the reason? Someone told me that is to do with social distancing, but that doesn't make sense to me.


  • #4947
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    pjohnson wrote: »
    To use yesterdays of repeated line when UK links were provided.


    What about Irish sources?


    'Dramatic increase' in admissions to Dublin mental health hospital in last month


  • #4948
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Hurrache wrote: »
    First was, the rest were related to recent criticism of cancer services in Ireland. But I then knew that it still wouldn't be sufficient for theorists and couldn't be arsed as it takes the joy from the bemusement out of this thread.

    Oh give it a rest FFS. Common tactic on boards, don't like a thread yet give hours posting about how the thread is nonsense.

    Nobody knows where we will be in a years time in terms of health or economy, a lot of people on this thread might actually be proven right.


  • #4949
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Nonsense, the best mask is keeping distance from people, you think it should be mandatory to wear on the street ?

    Public transport fair enough, but outdoors ? ridiculous.

    Parody account, but it really is illuminating how hard it can be to realize it at times.


  • #4950
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,175 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Oxford vaccine is still progressing to the next phases, its still a huge potential vaccine as it may limit the effects and prevent a severe illness bringing it back to potentially the affects of a head cold

    https://twitter.com/MackayIM/status/1261893528508002304?s=19

    So you can be protected but still spread the virus. Assuming it's safe and there's enough for everyone who wants it, sounds like a good thing as the anti-vaxxers who normally scrounge off the herd immunity everyone else provides will be vulnerable :)

    Yeah I know there'll also be the immunocompromised who can't take the vaccine who will be vulnerable unfortunately. Unfortunately it'll probably also mean that the vaccine won't be considered good enough to end lockdown/social distancing measures if people are still spreaders.


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  • #4951
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,861 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Harris on Newstalk now with Pat Kenny.


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