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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #5852
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Tony & Co will have a hard time selling their plan with those figures


  • #5853
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Encouraging, but I won't be popping any champagne corks until we're two/three weeks down the line and there's been no upward tick in the transmission rate.


  • #5854
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Tony & Co will have a hard time selling their plan with those figures

    I think they have to be given some credit for "delivering" those figures, but as I mention above I do think it's a signal to revisit the roadmap


  • #5855
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Beasty wrote: »
    My take on these massive improvements we've seen is that what we have done to date has worked incredibly well. However I do think they need to revisit the roadmap, assuming no material deterioration over the next few days. They really should be looking at accelerating the opening up (although clearly not in a reckless way)

    It may be that when we look back on this in a few years time, putting aside some of the logistical issues we have had, but that have afflicted many other countries also, the Irish approach could be considered something not too far adrift from "Best in Class" (and I would put NI into that as well as they have kept their figures down remarkably well in comparison to GB)

    Brave man suggesting that on here :pac:


  • #5856
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Onesea wrote: »
    So it's kinda time Ireland got moving again. At his rate you will have leo forever in office as a dictator, or maybe Tony people seem to bow to him with no hesitation
    lbj666 wrote: »
    We shut the schools at 29 confirmed cases in a day

    quite
    Gael23 wrote: »
    Tony & Co will have a hard time selling their plan with those figures

    Jasus the NO LOCKDOWN crowd are triggered


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  • #5857
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,152 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    It's the 3rd day of cases below 100 but there's obviously a lag in cases being diagnosed and tested. Need to wait and see how the next few weeks go before any consideration could be made on accelerating the easing of restrictions. But as Holohan has said before it's not a rigid plan and will adapt to circumstances so doesn't rule out easing them quicker.


  • #5858
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    jameshayes wrote: »
    I think he was more so making the point that we should take the numbers with a pinch of salt on Mondays due to slow reporting over weekends

    Even so pinch of salt or not or Sunday or Monday it hasn’t been that low for a longtime.


  • #5859
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Onesea wrote: »
    So it's kinda time Ireland got moving again. At his rate you will have leo forever in office as a dictator, or maybe Tony people seem to bow to him with no hesitation

    Do you know how a government is formed here in Ireland?


  • #5860
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Early doors but good news on the vaccine front from Moderna -

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52677203


  • #5861
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Tony & Co will have a hard time selling their plan with those figures

    How many times does this need to be said. Those figures are because of the restrictions that are in place. If you remove the restrictions then it is likely the figures week increase. The plan is that we reopen slowly so that we don't have a massive spread of the virus.


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  • #5862
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Brave man suggesting that on here :pac:
    bleedin' 'ell - didn't think I said it that loud! More in a whisper.

    Anyway, I know of another thread where it is safe to shout that out:pac:


  • #5863
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Do you know how a government is formed here in Ireland?
    v...e...r...y... ...s...l...o...w...l...y...


  • #5864
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    Tony EH wrote: »
    "Cold" is a misnomer. You don't catch a cold from temperature. You catch it from coming into contact with someone who already has the virus.

    So, you can catch a "cold" at any time.


    Yes, that's what people don't get.
    There's no such thing as a 'cold', it's something people came up with and has no real basis in science.


    A virus needs a host. Just being in cold temperature will not make you sick. You get the virus from other people.


    Explained for the normies:



  • #5865
    Maggie Benson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭Maggie Benson


    lbj666 wrote: »
    We shut the schools at 29 confirmed cases in a day

    Outbreak in a school in France today. 70 cases.


  • #5866
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Eod100 wrote: »
    It's the 3rd day of cases below 100 but there's obviously a lag in cases being diagnosed and tested. Need to wait and see how the next few weeks go before any consideration could be made on accelerating the easing of restrictions. But as Holohan has said before it's not a rigid plan and will adapt to circumstances so doesn't rule out easing them quicker.

    Got to love the lag brigade posters just because it’s under a 100. If you go by the average and every other weekend numbers the drops are significant. Sorry, but cases are dropping.


  • #5867
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    Yes, that's what people don't get.
    There's no such thing as a 'cold', it's something people came up with and has no real basis in science.


    A virus needs a host. Just being in cold temperature will not make you sick. You get the virus from other people.


    Explained for the normies:


    It is still called a cold or the common cold though.


  • #5868
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Beasty wrote: »
    My take on these massive improvements we've seen is that what we have done to date has worked incredibly well. However I do think they need to revisit the roadmap, assuming no material deterioration over the next few days. They really should be looking at accelerating the opening up (although clearly not in a reckless way)

    It may be that when we look back on this in a few years time, putting aside some of the logistical issues we have had, but that have afflicted many other countries also, the Irish approach could be considered something not too far adrift from "Best in Class" (and I would put NI into that as well as they have kept their figures down remarkably well in comparison to GB)

    This, for sure. And did we ever need it to begin with? And if we did, would a couple of weeks have been enough? In this regard, I ask myself two questions. 1. Who did not or could not social distance? My answer: residents of nursing/care homes, healthcare staff, workers in the meat factories and travellers. 2. Which groups contributed the vast majority of cases? My answer: residents of nursing/care homes, healthcare staff, workers in meat factories and travellers. My strong feeling is that social distancing keeps this virus at bay and a continued lockdown is unnecessary.


  • #5869
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Arghus wrote: »
    Encouraging, but I won't be popping any champagne corks until we're two/three weeks down the line and there's been no upward tick in the transmission rate.

    Spain made the same changes on April 20th that we made today. Almost a month later and their cases are still falling sharply (285 new cases today compared to 3,968 on April 20th). Denmark schools went back April 15th, so more than a month, and no uptick. I'm really not sure what they mean when they say they are looking at other countries, or what they're waiting for.

    You would hope Leo would grow a pair and at least reduce the frequency of stages from 3 weeks to 2 weeks. Most countries are doing it per week. I know you need to wait 2-3 weeks to see the effect, but that doesn't mean the stages cannot overlap. I get the need to be cautious, but why be so cautious and keep borders open, doesnt make sense to me at all.


  • #5870
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,779 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Simon Harris trying to shame people who are legally going to shops, allowed to open by his government.

    He's taking the Tory attitude.

    FG are not exactly left of center, they are the Irish Tory party, always have been...


  • #5871
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Paul Cullen looking for a scrap again.


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  • #5872
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Beasty wrote: »
    My take on these massive improvements we've seen is that what we have done to date has worked incredibly well. However I do think they need to revisit the roadmap, assuming no material deterioration over the next few days. They really should be looking at accelerating the opening up (although clearly not in a reckless way)

    It may be that when we look back on this in a few years time, putting aside some of the logistical issues we have had, but that have afflicted many other countries also, the Irish approach could be considered something not too far adrift from "Best in Class" (and I would put NI into that as well as they have kept their figures down remarkably well in comparison to GB)

    I see where you are coming from but based on the rate that the virus is regressing and a very crude log graph i have we will be at 1 case per day by the end of July and its projected to arrive sooner by the day.
    We have the opportunity to really keep the foot down on this thing, but we need to see how phase 1 works before we know for sure and that needs 3 weeks.

    I say keep going with the plan, get the number of carriers low enough that we can live with an R0 going over 1.


  • #5873
    KathleenGrant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭KathleenGrant


    Maggie Benson wrote: »
    Outbreak in a school in France today. 70 cases.

    Nothing online about it?


  • #5874
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,779 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    polesheep wrote: »
    This, for sure. And did we ever need it to begin with? And if we did, would a couple of weeks have been enough? In this regard, I ask myself two questions. 1. Who did not or could not social distance? My answer: residents of nursing/care homes, healthcare staff, workers in the meat factories and travellers. 2. Which groups contributed the vast majority of cases? My answer: residents of nursing/care homes, healthcare staff, workers in meat factories and travellers. My strong feeling is that social distancing keeps this virus at bay and a continued lockdown is unnecessary.

    The stupid gene doesn’t discriminate... no point in pointing the finger at particular groups when it’s pretty clear that people across ALL sections of society are culpable..id rather we relied on expert opinion as opposed to any of our ‘strong feelings’..


  • #5875
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    We wont know the damage that has been done in lifting restrictions in phase 1 for 7-14 days and most on here saying the roadmap should be accelerated

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Shin


  • #5876
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Strumms wrote: »
    The stupid gene doesn’t discriminate... no point in pointing the finger at particular groups when it’s pretty clear that people across ALL sections of society are culpable..id rather we relied on expert opinion as opposed to any of our ‘strong feelings’..

    I wasn't pointing the finger at anyone. I would not apportion blame for there is none to apportion. That is your take on my post. I merely pointed out facts, you may not like them, but they are facts nonetheless.


  • #5877
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Beasty wrote: »
    My take on these massive improvements we've seen is that what we have done to date has worked incredibly well. However I do think they need to revisit the roadmap, assuming no material deterioration over the next few days. They really should be looking at accelerating the opening up (although clearly not in a reckless way)

    It may be that when we look back on this in a few years time, putting aside some of the logistical issues we have had, but that have afflicted many other countries also, the Irish approach could be considered something not too far adrift from "Best in Class" (and I would put NI into that as well as they have kept their figures down remarkably well in comparison to GB)

    I would be amazed if that's not happening behind the scenes.


  • #5878
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,116 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    KathleenGrant wrote: »
    Nothing online about it?

    You need better googling skills

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/70-cases-covid-19-french-schools-days-opening-70740749

    Need to lock the kids up


  • #5879
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Strumms wrote: »
    The stupid gene doesn’t discriminate... no point in pointing the finger at particular groups when it’s pretty clear that people across ALL sections of society are culpable..id rather we relied on expert opinion as opposed to any of our ‘strong feelings’..

    Restrictions created social distancing. Some groups couldn't or wouldn't engage with that. A lot of individuals also. But it is the groups that are relevant. It is also very clear where most of our cases came from.


  • #5880
    omerin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Tony & Co will have a hard time selling their plan with those figures

    He'd have a harder time if 300 were dead today and 5000 tested positive


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  • #5881
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Although there is no way that anyone can be sure what is going to happen with a new virus, what could be happening is that the virus is just fizzling out out of its own accord. It is curious that the trajectory of the infection seems remarkably similar in most countries even though a wide variety of strategies ,(or none), were adopted.
    It’s possible that a large proportion of the population are completely resistant to the disease and never got infected even though they were exposed to it.
    The only case that I know personally about was a woman in he forties who developed symptoms and tested positive. Her husband and three children all tested negative on two tests. This makes no sense for what is supposed to be a highly contagious disease where supposedly nobody had any immunity.
    The only explanation is that there must be very many people who have a natural defence to Covid.
    There was also the case of the Diamond Princess where only 20% of those on board got infected even though everyone on board was undoubtedly exposed to it.
    Covid19 could just disappear almost as quickly as it arrived. I hope so anyway.


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