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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #4352
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    bs2014 wrote: »
    Folks, phase 1 of lockdown.

    If you need to get work done to your car, does the garage need to be within 5km (I have work semi arranged pre covid with a garage but they are like 100km away); god knows when I'll be able to go based on the mileage restrictions.

    Also, I attend a counsellor in Dublin (120km) away, I'm sick of doing the whatsapp video calls and he is back in the practice this week. Is that dare I say 'an exuse/exception' to go beyond the 5km limit.

    Thanks.
    The 5km limit only applies to travelling for leisure/exercise.

    If you need to go to a mechanic, an optician, a hardware shop or a doctor, then the 5km limit doesn't apply.

    This is how it will be until 10th August.


  • #4353
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I have seen a couple of cases where the cops have told people to turn around and they refused. They didn’t stop or arrest them but told them a file will be sent to the dpp.

    Well if stopped I'll say I'm going into the office with letter to show both my employer and I are "essential"

    I actually do kinda need to anyway soon as the laptop is acting up a bit and I can't fix without being on the physical network


  • #4354
    bs2014
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭bs2014


    seamus wrote: »
    The 5km limit only applies to travelling for leisure/exercise.

    If you need to go to a mechanic, an optician, a hardware shop or a doctor, then the 5km limit doesn't apply.

    This is how it will be until 10th August.

    Thanks, is there somewhere official this has been confirmed tho as I cudnt find clarity?

    Re shopping in Aldi or dunnes. I heard of ppl in villages say 10 mins outside our town been turned and told they dont need to go into town to Tesco or dunnes that a butcher's and centra is in their village. I thought was lousy tbh. Might be less stringent now. Like everything depends on the gaurd u get


  • #4355
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Big issues on certain dublin bus routes this morning..services full after a few stops and queues at stops in the city.

    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Walked past a few buses this morning that were full to their current capacity. 1 or 2 wearing masks and most drivers not. People making up their own minds as was expected
    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Public transport is an issue regardless. This morning you've people waiting at bus stops heading to work and the buses cant stop because they're "full" with about 15 people on board. It all comes down to social distancing wont be possible on public transport and demand this morning proves it.


    There is nowhere for all these people on packed buses, or watching packed buses drive by, to go to. Fair enough there'll be full buses with a max of 15 or so people on them, but I don't think it's a big issue throughout the city. Where are all the people looking to go to that they couldn't go to last week?


  • #4356
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,175 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    bs2014 wrote: »
    Thanks, is there somewhere official this has been confirmed tho as I cudnt find clarity?

    Re shopping in Aldi or dunnes. I heard of ppl in villages say 10 mins outside our town been turned and told they dont need to go into town to Tesco or dunnes that a butcher's and centra is in their village. I thought was lousy tbh. Might be less stringent now. Like everything depends on the gaurd u get

    Yeah the Gardaí have been making it up as they go along there. Despite Leo explicitly clarifying that the rule applied to exercise and not to shopping.


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  • #4357
    kenmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭kenmc


    Noticeable traffic increase on road outside my house, lots of builders vans, very obvious return


  • #4358
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I believe Harris wants to sign the mandatory 2 week isolation when entering the country this week.


  • #4359
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I believe Harris wants to sign the mandatory 2 week isolation when entering the country this week.

    For how long I wonder? They can’t keep the whole country here indefinitely surely?


  • #4360
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I believe Harris wants to sign the mandatory 2 week isolation when entering the country this week.

    But then he also wants to defeat the virus.

    Simon wants many things, unfortunately not the ones feasible on planet earth.


  • #4361
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Clonmel1000 wrote: »
    For how long I wonder? They can’t keep the whole country here indefinitely surely?

    Well the Taioseachs hope was to get travel in the EU back to normal in months.


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  • #4362
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    bs2014 wrote: »
    Thanks, is there somewhere official this has been confirmed tho as I cudnt find clarity?
    It's the same rule that's been in place since the start tbh. Nothing has changed as regards the stay at home order; that is, only unnecessary travel is restricted to 5km. Necessary travel has no restrictions.
    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Well the Taioseachs hope was to get travel in the EU back to normal in months.
    We're not going anywhere until the UK gets its sh1t together tbh.

    So long as we have an open border with NI, and there's no mandatory quarantine between NI and GB, then our ability to reopen travel to the EU is entirely dependent on waiting for herd immunity to kick in across England.


  • #4363
    lalababa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭lalababa


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Guards definitely exceeding their authority in these situations. No guidance or rules issued have indicated that people are required to go to their nearest supermarket

    On a side note, where are all these checkpoints? Have not seen one since this started.

    Check points all over the shop in and around cork, have family in small town in Kerry...they darent go to the Aldi 15 miles up the road with checkpoints. Don't know what the story is today though.


  • #4364
    [Deleted User]
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    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I have seen a couple of cases where the cops have told people to turn around and they refused. They didn’t stop or arrest them but told them a file will be sent to the dpp.

    Surely they would have to issue a caution? Sounds like they are just getting a bit thick, no doubt because they are being spun a lot of yarns be various people they stop


  • #4365
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    seamus wrote: »
    It's the same rule that's been in place since the start tbh. Nothing has changed as regards the stay at home order; that is, only unnecessary travel is restricted to 5km. Necessary travel has no restrictions.

    We're not going anywhere until the UK gets its sh1t together tbh.

    .

    I’m confident they will. There will be a quarantine coming from the UK , i’m sure i heard Leo mention that somewhere.


  • #4366
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,374 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I’m confident they will. There will be a quarantine coming from the UK , i’m sure i heard Leo mention that somewhere.

    Only in words. There'll be no proper enforcement of it.


  • #4367
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,861 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    lalababa wrote: »
    Check points all over the shop in and around cork, have family in small town in Kerry...they darent go to the Aldi 15 miles up the road with checkpoints. Don't know what the story is today though.

    This infuriates me. What kind of an ass of a country have we let it become? To allow this kind of unbridled rubbish go on as some kind of normality. Any Taoiseach with a spine would summons Drew Harris in immediately and tell his force to stop being such wasteful, obtuse nit picking idiots. End of converstion.


  • #4368
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I believe Harris wants to sign the mandatory 2 week isolation when entering the country this week.

    I wonder could we go down the Hong Kong approach of testing people in the airport and giving them results before they leave. They have it down to an 8 hour turn around.

    It might turn out to be the easiest solution, as trying to keep track of thousands of people in home quarantine isn't the easiest.


  • #4369
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,861 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    kenmc wrote: »
    Noticeable traffic increase on road outside my house, lots of builders vans, very obvious return

    Delighted to hear it. There's a big hole in the dam now, and once that starts there's no going back. :)


  • #4370
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    are cafes open?


  • #4371
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    fryup wrote: »
    are cafes open?

    I think for takeaway only. It might be a while before you see sit down cafes again. They aren't essential.


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  • #4372
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I wonder could we go down the Hong Kong approach of testing people in the airport and giving them results before they leave. They have it down to an 8 hour turn around.

    It might turn out to be the easiest solution, as trying to keep track of thousands of people in home quarantine isn't the easiest.

    I have no problem with that. I have a serious question (and legal question in respect to EU freedoms) on a 14 day mandatory quarantine. Even a risk based and random screening is better than this.


  • #4373
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Charlie Chawke is going to have temperature checks in his pubs-turned-restuarants.


  • #4374
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I wonder could we go down the Hong Kong approach of testing people in the airport and giving them results before they leave. They have it down to an 8 hour turn around.

    It might turn out to be the easiest solution, as trying to keep track of thousands of people in home quarantine isn't the easiest.
    A certain amount of what's happening in Asia is theatre.
    Turns out spraying down the streets with disinfectant doesn't stop the spread of illness and is bad for public health.
    The disinfection processes for kids going to into schools doesn't work in any real way either, and exposes the children to a lot of chemicals.

    We've seen from the start, that Asian countries are big on being seen to be doing something, whether it works or not.

    The 8-hour turnaround in Hong Kong I have no doubt is at least some way effective, but its main goal is deterrence. To make it appear like the country is open, while discouraging anyone from coming unless they're willing to go through the process.

    A proper isolate and test strategy would require two tests, a couple of days apart. Testing visitors once and then sending them into the country will miss anyone in the early stages of infection. To get 99%+ effectiveness, they would all need to be isolated for the mean incubation period (4/5 days?) and the retested before being sent on.


  • #4375
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Feels nice , the bit of a semblance of normality this morning. Two members of my family work in construction, some routine apparent again after 2.5 months. I think we will be fast tracked to phase 4 by the start of next week. The only thing there is valid reason for not allowing right now really is perhaps festivals and large gatherings


  • #4376
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    But then he also wants to defeat the virus.

    Simon wants many things, unfortunately not the ones feasible on planet earth.

    He seems to think he is that character in Die Hard - Simon says.

    He sent a tweet into Brendan O’Connor doubling down that curtains are not essential. If they are not essential why the hell does everyone in the country have them. The sniggering on Friday was disgraceful.


  • #4377
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,861 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I think for takeaway only. It might be a while before you see sit down cafes again. They aren't essential.

    Yes but the jobs and economic activity most certainly are. Every job is essntial.


  • #4378
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Feels nice , the bit of a semblance of normality this morning. Two members of my family work in construction, some routine apparent again after 2.5 months. I think we will be fast tracked to phase 4 by the start of next week. The only thing there is valid reason for not allowing right now really is perhaps festivals and large gatherings

    I think you are living in a dreamworld if you think we'll get to phase four by the start of next week tbh

    I doubt anything will change now before June 8


  • #4379
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    MrDavid1976 wrote: »
    I have no problem with that. I have a serious question (and legal question in respect to EU freedoms) on a 14 day mandatory quarantine. Even a risk based and random screening is better than this.

    You are right in your doubts, the 14 day quarantine which is supposedly soon to be imposed by Harris & Co doesnt have any reasonable grounds (you cant assume every arrival in Dublin airport has covid)

    I would be very surprised if any such "law" is signed as it would be very easy to overturn it in courts, making Harris look like a fool.


  • #4380
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,861 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    MrDavid1976 wrote: »
    He seems to think he is that character in Die Hard - Simon says.

    He sent a tweet into Brendan O’Connor doubling down that curtains are not essential. If they are not essential why the hell does everyone in the country have them. The sniggering on Friday was disgraceful.

    I vote FG. But jesus Harris is an embaressing detached from reality moralising fruit loop.


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  • #4381
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I wonder could we go down the Hong Kong approach of testing people in the airport and giving them results before they leave. They have it down to an 8 hour turn around.

    It might turn out to be the easiest solution, as trying to keep track of thousands of people in home quarantine isn't the easiest.

    Or even opt for a normal test with the usual 2/3 day results, better than 14 days.


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