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wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This 100%. I said it on our zoom staff meeting last week that talking about things for next September was in my opinion a waste of time until we got some form of guidance or guidelines from the Dept. We all know it will probably be vague and will have to be teased out at local level.

Do all teachers have laptops or computers and internet access at home?

Presume all teachers would have access to these in school?

JJJackal wrote: »

So you are working the same number of hours or more now than when you were physically in class?

More... Corrections can’t be done in class the way they are when the kids are in front of you, back and forth interactions take longer. When 6 kids make the same error, I will normally correct it on the board, not go through it with each individual separately. When they’re in front of you you can see what they’ve done wrong and how they got there, and it’s easier and quicker to fix. Meetings are also taking up more time. We would normally meet over lunch, but that doesn’t work for me online. I’m sure there are countless other things that take longer to do.

Bottom line, I’d rather be back in school, and the closer that can be to normal the better for me.

Random sample wrote: »

More... Corrections can’t be done in class the way they are when the kids are in front of you, back and forth interactions take longer. When 6 kids make the same error, I will normally correct it on the board, not go through it with each individual separately. When they’re in front of you you can see what they’ve done wrong and how they got there, and it’s easier and quicker to fix. Meetings are also taking up more time. We would normally meet over lunch, but that doesn’t work for me online. I’m sure there are countless other things that take longer to do.

Bottom line, I’d rather be back in school, and the closer that can be to normal the better for me.

If you are working longer to educate Irelands children, I am very appreciative of your efforts. Thank you.

On a positive note it means, that your probably close to the 51 hours work already

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

How can I answer that? The dept just assumed that we all do. Actually they just assumed that all students had as well.

What have those questions got to do with my comment about planning for what happens in September?

I suspect that means Dept doesnt give you allowance for laptop?

Well if the Dept suggests delivering online education (or part of the week as such) and not everyone has a computer or internet access that would be a significant planning problem.

JJJackal wrote: »

If you are working longer to educate Irelands children, I am very appreciative of your efforts. Thank you.

On a positive note it means, that your probably close to the 51 hours work already

I don’t see that as positive or sustainable.

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Why does what I am doing have any bearing on anything? It’s just an excuse to discredit what I am saying because it goes against the narrative some teachers are trying to spin.

I am just telling my own experiences ... that is that a significant amount of teachers are doing very little.

I am unwilling to disclose any personal information on this or any other social media. I would ask everyone to please respect this and to stop continuously asking me the same question.

And btw, I do love my job (apart from a horrible few weeks at the start of the year) and have no intention of moving anywhere. But thanks for your thoughts and consideration

Because it would just be interesting to know if you are the outlier in your staffroom of lazy ass teachers or if you are the same as them.

And saying that you use google classroom or microsoft teams and upload material is not disclosing personal information. Your response is weaseling around a very simple question.

Teachers are not trying to spin a narrative, they are explaining what they do each day.

People who come on forums and bullshit on about all the people in their workplace who do no work according to themselves, yet can't offer a simple description of what they do.... well I tend to put them in the mental filing cabinet where I store alternative facts...

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Significant number of teachers ehh!!!! Based on the replies here that is stretching the truth don't you agree.

I keep asking that question about what it is that you are doing because I guess I'm wondering are you too doing nothing so as to fit in with what you say is going on in your school. Not rocking the boat so to speak.

I never said I was doing nothing.

And there have been a large amount of teachers here (on a different thread) that have said they too are doing very very little.

JJJackal wrote: »

I suspect that means Dept doesnt give you allowance for laptop?

Well if the Dept suggests delivering online education (or part of the week as such) and not everyone has a computer or internet access that would be a significant planning problem.

Well I will confirm that my current address does not have access to a fixed broadband connection. Have to use mobile data to conduct my teaching. Not ideal but hopefully it will be sorted in the near future and not still be an issue come September if we need to still be doing stuff online.

The lack of investment in education is coming home to roost now.

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Because it would just be interesting to know if you are the outlier in your staffroom of lazy ass teachers or if you are the same as them.

And saying that you use google classroom or microsoft teams and upload material is not disclosing personal information. Your response is weaseling around a very simple question.

Teachers are not trying to spin a narrative, they are explaining what they do each day.

People who come on forums and bullshit on about all the people in their workplace who do no work according to themselves, yet can't offer a simple description of what they do.... well I tend to put them in the mental filing cabinet where I store alternative facts...

I honestly, honestly don’t care what you think about me. I really don’t.

I’m telling the truth and teachers on here know that. They have admitted it on the other thread!!!

Also, I’m curious and have a question for those saying my colleagues are lazy. My local primary schools - all classes and teachers - send one email per week to parents outlining the child’s work for the week. No way to get anything corrected ,no way to contact the teacher. Would you call all these teachers “lazy” too?

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Well I will confirm that my current address does not have access to a fixed broadband connection. Have to use mobile data to conduct my teaching. Not ideal but hopefully it will be sorted in the near future and not still be an issue come September if we need to still be doing stuff online.

The lack of investment in education is coming home to roost now.

I think the lack of investment in many public services is obvious now - agree with education; although i dont see it prioritised immediately post covid - likely health

Random sample wrote: »

Any healthcare workers I know are working their normal hours. Annual leave is limited, but available to some that had already booked it. They must be lucky.

I have outlined how I think things could go ahead, with the caveat that I don’t know what the public health recommendations are going to be at the time.

What line of work are you in yourself? I’m trying to figure out your angle here, I don’t understand why you seem so invested in getting teachers to increase class contact time.

I work in pharmaceuticals (still have a job with full pay) and have no children- i am non biased really.

Healthcare workers i know had their annual leave cancelled and rostered changed at last minute. I suspect it depends on the quantity of COVID in your area (so we could both be correct)

Increase contact time was a suggestion to facilitate safer classes for children

JJJackal wrote: »

So you are working the same number of hours or more now than when you were physically in class?

Primary school teacher - my workload has increased significantly . I’m not particularly techie so I’ve had to get myself up to speed fairly quickly- setting up online class, figuring out how to scan topics and upload via abode scan. Finding video / voice recordings apps so I can explain lessons properly. Figuring out how to convert files to pdf so that I can correct the work children send back via acrobat reader. Thats before I set the work making sure to cater for all levels without setting too much work or work that some children find too easy. Diffreniation is much easier in class as other parents are not aware of the often wide range of abilities within class.
For some strange reason given my lack of ICT skills I have also become the resident ICT expert for a small cohort of parents. I’m in regular email contact with parents often up to 9pm at night about a wide range of issues - some not remotely related to teaching 😠I have 3 children that I ring on a regular basis to keep them motivated / ticking over. I’m online daily Mon to Fri engaging with the kids responding to their messages and correcting work. As a school we still have weekly staff meetings , work set has to be emailed to principal etc etc. I’m still working - different to physically being in class but still working.
All the while trying to make sure my own children are accessing their online classes and getting work done. Pretty much like most parents who are wfh.

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Who? Because I've been on this forum for 13 years and check in on this thread everyday and most people who post on the thread are regulars, and have discussed all aspects of online teaching and the fallout of the LC at length. Don't recall any of them saying that they are treating this as a holiday.

I must admit I'd like to see these posts too. I read the thread daily and I can't recall these posts being referred to either.

lulublue22 wrote: »

Primary school teacher - my workload has increased significantly . I’m not particularly techie so I’ve had to get myself up to speed fairly quickly- setting up online class, figuring out how to scan topics and upload via abode scan. Finding video / voice recordings apps so I can explain lessons properly. Figuring out how to convert files to pdf so that I can correct the work children send back via acrobat reader. Thats before I set the work making sure to cater for all levels without setting too much work or work that some children find too easy. Diffreniation is much easier in class as other parents are not aware of the often wide range of abilities within class.
For some strange reason given my lack of ICT skills I have also become the resident ICT expert for a small cohort of parents. I’m in regular email contact with parents often up to 9pm at night about a wide range of issues - some not remotely related to teaching 😠I have 3 children that I ring on a regular basis to keep them motivated / ticking over. I’m online daily Mon to Fri engaging with the kids responding to their messages and correcting work. As a school we still have weekly staff meetings , work set has to be emailed to principal etc etc. I’m still working - different to physically being in class but still working.
All the while trying to make sure my own children are accessing their online classes and getting work done. Pretty much like most parents who are wfh.

Can I ask your opinion of my local primary schools?

My local primary schools - all classes and teachers - send one email per week to parents outlining the child’s work for the week. No way to get anything corrected ,no way to contact the teacher.

Random sample wrote: »

So your only bias is that you don’t have a personal involvement in any of this and don't understand how your suggestion would impact on family life for teachers, parents or students. Gotcha.

Btw your explanation of bias seems to be more an explanation of impartial... - well i would suggest I am impartial - I have no skin in the game

I have a job where I work long hours (plus i teach juniors) so some appreciation of being a teacher and how long hours impact life.

I was a student so.... I appreciate as much as anyone else who was a student I guess.

I dont have a parents perspective - you are right - however talking to colleagues who are parents I have some limited insight