Masks

khalessi · 16-05-2020 09:11PM

Yes: surgical

Seanergy wrote: »

My bra mask gives makes me look a bit like Homer?

Top tip people, if youve got kids who are a bit freaked out by all the masks and the whole virus thing, doing a little funny looking costume playing is a game changer.

Half bra/half Seth Brundle fly class
Btw serious lighting rig reflected in glasses coool

unhappys10 · 16-05-2020 09:12PM

Anyone come across this company? Opinions on this mask?
https://preorder.cambridgemask.com/shop/pro-mask/preorder-the-admiral-pro/

Wibbs · 16-05-2020 09:20PM

Yes: other

jackofalltrades wrote: »

You could make something similar if you were stuck.

That's the best vid I've seen so far on making a good mask. His other vids are cool too. Cooler drone.

Mad Aussie so kinda par for the course with them feckers.

riffmongous · 16-05-2020 09:22PM

khalessi wrote: »

No Worries, my bad, I googled CBRN unit and saw serious as **** explanation and the theme tune to The Simpsons entered my head. Ooops. Serious question though do you wear radiation badges

Yeah, two few different kinds depending on the operation (although it's only been exercises so far as you can imagine there's not so many radiological/nuclear incidents). There's the common 'badge' style that needs to be sent to a lab to be analysed and another kind that can be read out immediately.

jackofalltrades · 16-05-2020 09:26PM

Yes: other

Wibbs wrote: »

That's the best vid I've seen so far on making a good mask. His other vids are cool too. Cooler drone. Mad Aussie so kinda par for the course with them feckers.

His cat scaring ones always leave me in stitches:)

standardg60 · 16-05-2020 10:05PM

fr336 wrote: »

I refuse to wear masks, they have been shown to be totally useless and they're just too much hassle if you ask me. I fail to see how people covering their nose and mouth could have any affect on them transmitting a virus which inhales and exhales from and to these areas.

(May contain heavy sarcasm)

Sarcast away! You just don't get it. Masks are useful in a situation where the majority have a virus or for those who suspect they may have a virus.

Masks potentially lead to the spread of a virus when the vast majority (as is the case here) don't have a virus as they naturally lead to the touching of the face.

As i've said before i really really don't understand why people can't see this simple difference.
At least the CMO does, maybe that's why he is where he is and you are where you are.

ShineOn7 · 16-05-2020 10:09PM

Yes: surgical

sternn wrote: »

I got a couple of face masks from the site www.cottonfacemasks.ie which was pretty nice. Expensive but saves getting the disposable ones.

Another mask with a zero FFP rating

Arrival · 16-05-2020 10:22PM

standardg60 wrote: »

Sarcast away! You just don't get it. Masks are useful in a situation where the majority have a virus or for those who suspect they may have a virus.

Masks potentially lead to the spread of a virus when the vast majority (as is the case here) don't have a virus as they naturally lead to the touching of the face.

As i've said before i really really don't understand why people can't see this simple difference.
At least the CMO does, maybe that's why he is where he is and you are where you are.

Oh yes, I'm sure our CMO has somehow found something worth considering regarding mask wearing which all the other national CMOs didn't, sure isn't he the best one in the world and hasn't our response to this crisis been the best!

Seanergy · 16-05-2020 10:24PM

Yes: valved

standardg60 wrote: »

Sarcast away! You just don't get it. Masks are useful in a situation where the majority have a virus or for those who suspect they may have a virus.

Masks potentially lead to the spread of a virus when the vast majority (as is the case here) don't have a virus as they naturally lead to the touching of the face.

As i've said before i really really don't understand why people can't see this simple difference.
At least the CMO does, maybe that's why he is where he is and you are where you are.

Mask potentially lead to stopping the spread of the virus when the vast majority don't know if they have the virus.

ShineOn7 · 16-05-2020 10:25PM

Yes: surgical

unhappys10 wrote: »

Anyone come across this company? Opinions on this mask?
https://preorder.cambridgemask.com/shop/pro-mask/preorder-the-admiral-pro/

That looks excellent actually. Just two caveats;

Not shipping till early August at best
Does it need/come with a separate filter under the main mask? I'm not seeing anywhere on the site where you can order replaceable filters

standardg60 · 16-05-2020 10:32PM

Arrival wrote: »

Oh yes, I'm sure our CMO has somehow found something worth considering regarding mask wearing which all the other national CMOs didn't, sure isn't he the best one in the world and hasn't our response to this crisis been the best!

Jesus do you or anyone you know have the virus? I don't.

Would you rather be in the UK?

Leave your own political prejudice in your head and acknowledge a job well done.
The CMO has been dealing with politically motivated idiots (as most politicians are).

Move to a country with one of the differing CMO's if you're that convinced and see how you get on.

standardg60 · 16-05-2020 10:35PM

Seanergy wrote: »

Mask potentially lead to stopping the spread of the virus when the vast majority don't know if they have the virus.

Honestly, do you actually believe that the vast majority of the population have the virus right now?

unhappys10 · 16-05-2020 10:37PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That looks excellent actually. Just two caveats;

Not shipping till early August at best

Does it need/come with a separate filter under the main mask? I'm not seeing anywhere on the site where you can order replaceable filters

Seems from their FAQ'S that the the filter is sewn into the mask.
Once the mask has reached the end of its useful life it is useless. Seems to be 340 hours.

MadYaker · 16-05-2020 10:38PM

Yes: surgical

standardg60 wrote: »

Sarcast away! You just don't get it. Masks are useful in a situation where the majority have a virus or for those who suspect they may have a virus.

Masks potentially lead to the spread of a virus when the vast majority (as is the case here) don't have a virus as they naturally lead to the touching of the face.

As i've said before i really really don't understand why people can't see this simple difference.
At least the CMO does, maybe that's why he is where he is and you are where you are.

The virus spreads in droplets that people breath or cough out. Masks catch these droplets. Therefore if everyone wears masks the virus spreads slower. People may touch their faces more but they are only infecting themselves and not others, because they're wearing a mask.

With this virus we have no idea who has it and who doesn't as loads of people have no symptoms but can still spread it. In every country that has tiny case numbers they all wear masks. Is that a coincidence?

hmmm · 16-05-2020 10:38PM

No: other

Wibbs wrote: »

Find me a nation with low figures that didn't mandate masks in public places. I mean properly low figures, like under a couple of hundred. Good luck with that. Greece is the only outlier, but they clamped down extremely hard on border control and lockdowns..

Iceland.

MadYaker · 16-05-2020 10:41PM

Yes: surgical

hmmm wrote: »

Iceland.

Didn't they test their entire population? You don't need masks if you can do that because you know exactly who all the infected people are.

Jim_Hodge · 16-05-2020 10:56PM

Yes: homemade

Per RTE website

The advice issued by Government says that cloth face coverings are not suitable for children under the age of 13.

Any opinions? Does this suggest they should were paper disposable ones or none at all?

Stark · 16-05-2020 10:59PM

No: other

According to our government, none at all. In other countries they wear paper disposable masks.

standardg60 · 16-05-2020 11:00PM

MadYaker wrote: »

The virus spreads in droplets that people breath or cough out. Masks catch these droplets. Therefore if everyone wears masks the virus spreads slower. People may touch their faces more but they are only infecting themselves and not others, because they're wearing a mask.

With this virus we have no idea who has it and who doesn't as loads of people have no symptoms but can still spread it. In every country that has tiny case numbers they all wear masks. Is that a coincidence?

We have tiny case numbers!
You have actually agreed with my argument, people who wear masks are more likely to infect themselves. You have just said that!

We have a great idea of who has it.
Have you not seen the numbers? All these people who you say have it without knowing would surely be infecting thousands of others no?

khalessi · 16-05-2020 11:02PM

Yes: surgical

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Per RTE website

Any opinions? Does this suggest they should were paper disposable ones or none at all?

Probably has to do with the theory they dont get or spread the virus or that they will constantly be at the mask. But I have had 3 nieces with it and my kids have no problem wearing masks, never touched it once when in shops and sterilised hands pre and post taking off mask, using Ayliffe tecnique.

hmmm · 16-05-2020 11:03PM

No: other

MadYaker wrote: »

Didn't they test their entire population? You don't need masks if you can do that because you know exactly who all the infected people are.

They tested 10%.

hmmm · 16-05-2020 11:05PM

No: other

MadYaker wrote: »

The virus spreads in droplets that people breath or cough out. Masks catch these droplets. Therefore if everyone wears masks the virus spreads slower. People may touch their faces more but they are only infecting themselves and not others, because they're wearing a mask.

And let's just assume these people don't have the virus, and they touch their face to adjust their mask and infect themselves.

Would you say the mask was a good or bad thing for that person?

MadYaker · 16-05-2020 11:25PM

Yes: surgical

hmmm wrote: »

And let's just assume these people don't have the virus, and they touch their face to adjust their mask and infect themselves.

Would you say the mask was a good or bad thing for that person?

How come masks haven't accelerated the spread in any country that uses them so? THe opposite has been observed.

The fact that they touched their face was what infected them not the mask. Don't touch your face. All the guidelines state this clearly. If that person wasn't wearing a mask and they touched their face they would have been infected also. If they washed their hands before adjusting their mask theyd be grand.

Masks aren't to protect us they're to pretect those around us incase were infected.

standardg60 · 16-05-2020 11:38PM

MadYaker wrote: »

How come masks haven't accelerated the spread in any country that uses them so? THe opposite has been observed.

The fact that they touched their face was what infected them not the mask. Don't touch your face. All the guidelines state this clearly. If that person wasn't wearing a mask and they touched their face they would have been infected also. If they washed their hands before adjusting their mask theyd be grand.

Masks aren't to protect us they're to pretect those around us incase were infected.

Don't you see you are still perpetuating my argument? Others can see it as they haven't replied.
You are now saying that if people haven't washed their hands before touching their masks it's their own fault for catching the virus?
If they weren't wearing one in the first place surely that would be a better idea as they wouldn't need to touch their face at all?

Seanergy · 16-05-2020 11:56PM

Yes: valved

hmmm wrote: »

And let's just assume these people don't have the virus, and they touch their face to adjust their mask and infect themselves.

Would you say the mask was a good or bad thing for that person?

Assumption is the mother of all fcuk up's, but ok I will entertain you.

People don't touch their faces to adjust their masks, they touch thier masks to rearrange it on their faces. So if they are bringing dirty hands to thier mask, even though guigance says not to, it is because others who were not wearing masks expelled droplets into the enivonment and the wearer's of the mask picked them up through touch by sharing common objects. The droplets are on the cover of the mask not on the face of the wearer. And once again guidance teaches us to wash our hands after touching the front of our masks.

Having a mask on also prevents sub conciously touching the mouth and nose so I would view the mask as a good thing for that person.

Also something that you are failing to factoring in, which is a good thing for the facecoverings/mask wearer's is that they have almost completely reduced the droplet spread, which means they are not loading the environement for others, they are not responsible for sheding the virus.

Having a mask on also manages to keep the wearer in a heigthened sense of awareness. - another good thing.

Having a mask on also can bring peace to the wearer as they can rest assured that they are not unbeknownst to themselves shedding the virus. - another good thing.

Now if everbody was wearing masks, how do people contract the virus if nobody is expeling droplets?

Seanergy · 17-05-2020 12:01AM

Yes: valved

standardg60 wrote: »

Don't you see you are still perpetuating my argument? Others can see it as they haven't replied.
You are now saying that if people haven't washed their hands before touching their masks it's their own fault for catching the virus?
If they weren't wearing one in the first place surely that would be a better idea as they wouldn't need to touch their face at all?

What part of your face are you alluding people are touching when they are wearing their masks? The mask is covering the mouth and the nose so your can't be touching them, you can only touch the front of the mask that is covering your mouth and your nose.

See post above. Are you also hmmmmm?

standardg60 · 17-05-2020 12:19AM

Seanergy wrote: »

What part of your face are you alluding people are touching when they are wearing their masks? The mask is covering the mouth and the nose so your can't be touching them, you can only touch the front of the mask that is covering your mouth and your nose.

See post above. Are you also hmmmmm?

Hmmm are you resorting to attacking the poster rather than the posts?

I see you haven't answered the honest question i posed to you earlier?

Have you evidence that touching the front of a homemade mask is not going to transfer the virus through it?

Arrival · 17-05-2020 12:35AM

standardg60 wrote: »

Jesus do you or anyone you know have the virus? I don't.

Would you rather be in the UK?

Leave your own political prejudice in your head and acknowledge a job well done.
The CMO has been dealing with politically motivated idiots (as most politicians are).

Move to a country with one of the differing CMO's if you're that convinced and see how you get on.

A family member of someone in my office has passed away from it just the other day, a colleague of one of my brother's friends also passed away from it, and I know someone who's had it and recovered. This will increase as time goes on for all of us, just because nobody you know hasn't had it yet doesn't mean it's going to stay that way.

Yes, I absolutely plan to when it's possible. You're willfully ignorant if you think they've done a great job here; again with the comparisons to the UK shows how you just don't want to face comparisons with countries which have objectively handled it well, instead opting for pathetic back patting and superficial comfort by only comparing us with our closest neighbours who've done an objectively **** job

When you were in school did you compare yourself and your grades with the class clown to try and see where you could improve or did you compare yourself with the top of the class and see what they done to manage to get on so well?

Arrival · 17-05-2020 12:47AM

Seanergy wrote: »

Assumption is the mother of all fcuk up's, but ok I will entertain you.

People don't touch their faces to adjust their masks, they touch thier masks to rearrange it on their faces. So if they are bringing dirty hands to thier mask, even though guigance says not to, it is because others who were not wearing masks expelled droplets into the enivonment and the wearer's of the mask picked them up through touch by sharing common objects. The droplets are on the cover of the mask not on the face of the wearer. And once again guidance teaches us to wash our hands after touching the front of our masks.

Having a mask on also prevents sub conciously touching the mouth and nose so I would view the mask as a good thing for that person.

Also something that you are failing to factoring in, which is a good thing for the facecoverings/mask wearer's is that they have almost completely reduced the droplet spread, which means they are not loading the environement for others, they are not responsible for sheding the virus.

Having a mask on also manages to keep the wearer in a heigthened sense of awareness. - another good thing.

Having a mask on also can bring peace to the wearer as they can rest assured that they are not unbeknownst to themselves shedding the virus. - another good thing.

Now if everbody was wearing masks, how do people contract the virus if nobody is expeling droplets?

To add to this, if it's the case that someone gets infected due to coming into contact with viral particles which were on their mask and they go onto infect themselves by not washing their hands and then touching their mouths/eyes/noses after removing the masks, these people would've breathed those viral particles directly in without a mask on in the first place

But as you're saying, if everyone wore a mask there would be less of the virus in the air for them to walk into and breathe directly in, or on surfaces for them to pick up

MadYaker · 17-05-2020 12:55AM

Yes: surgical

standardg60 wrote: »

Don't you see you are still perpetuating my argument? Others can see it as they haven't replied.
You are now saying that if people haven't washed their hands before touching their masks it's their own fault for catching the virus?
If they weren't wearing one in the first place surely that would be a better idea as they wouldn't need to touch their face at all?

People touch their faces regardless of whether they are wearing masks or not.

It's about balance. In cars the seat belt can break your collar bone or damage ribs and the airbag can break your nose but we still put them in cars because the alternative is going through the front windscreen.

Some people wearing masks may touch their faces more but the fact is that this virus spreads through droplets that get expelled when people cough or breath out. The mask catches these droplets and reduces spread. Its the lesser of two evils just like seat belts and airbags. Masks have been an important part of the startegy in any densely populated country that has managed to control this. It seems like common sense to me.

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