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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #4952
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    They've had weeks of complete closure and have learned more about this virus as the time has passed. Some people will suffer long term complications as they would with any virus if they get a bad dose, but that has turned out to be a small minority of people. Over 99.2% of people in New York have recovered. 99.75% of German cases. At risk groups should be sheltered, why should fit and healthy people?

    You've taken the New York death rate as an example, how about Germany's? Chances are we would lie somewhere in the middle of the two as we are generally less healthy than the German's but have universal health care which the citizens of the US don't have.
    Do you realise the gravity of leaving us locked up for months will have on us, our health, finances?

    I saw another poster on here saying 'Ireland is doing well'. Those pesky tourists from the U.K. and U.S. might want to come here...what about the fact we're not the worst performing country in the EU at re-opening and giving our citizens their lives back. They won't want to flock here if that's the case. There are plenty of countries in the EU they will be able to visit freely with limited restrictions by mid summer.

    Even taking Germany's 0.25% death rate it's still more deadly and transmissible than influenza. Again, we have no full understanding of the long term effects but what evidence has come out so far has been extremely concerning.

    I am not in favour of us 'being locked up for months' at all. Many people seem to be unaware of simply in denial about the seriousness of this virus. We have managed to get the rate of infections down to between 100 - 200 only after 8 - 9 weeks of unprecedented restrictions.


  • #4953
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,015 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    South Korea = nightclub.
    China = 12 cases on the border with Russia in a population of 1 billion.
    I'll give you a hand and add some obscure island off Japan, but hey if you want to use those as evidence and not the rest of the WORLD or even the EU, go right ahead.

    Denmark - schools open since Mid April, no spike in cases.
    More Project Fear here.

    Link re Kawasaki disease:
    https://www.societi.org.uk/kawasaki-disease-and-covid-19/

    Very strong debunking of the scaremongering now being employed by Dr Tony to boot.


    Denmark reopened schools on the 17th April (just about 4 weeks ago) its r value has gone from 0.6 to 0.9 already. We will only start seeing the rise this week.


    Wuhan has seen new cases since relaxing restrictions:
    Besides the six new Wuhan cases, virus clusters have appeared in recent weeks in the northeastern provinces of Jilin and Heilongjiang, which border Russia.

    Anything else that you need pointed out to you?


  • #4954
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    South Korea = nightclub.
    China = 12 cases on the border with Russia in a population of 1 billion.
    I'll give you a hand and add some obscure island off Japan, but hey if you want to use those as evidence and not the rest of the WORLD or even the EU, go right ahead.

    Denmark - schools open since Mid April, no spike in cases.
    More Project Fear here.

    Link re Kawasaki disease:
    https://www.societi.org.uk/kawasaki-disease-and-covid-19/

    Very strong debunking of the scaremongering now being employed by Dr Tony to boot.

    You do know the south Korea new surge was started with ONE man infecting ~100 on a single night out. You and countless others seem to be missing and forgetting the main problem with this virus, i.e. too many people getting seriously ill at the same time and needing hospital treatment. This is why there are lockdowns, not just the death rate, which spikes massively when a health system is overwhelmed.


  • #4955
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,505 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    CruelSummer wrote:
    South Korea = nightclub. China = 12 cases on the border with Russia in a population of 1 billion. I'll give you a hand and add some obscure island off Japan, but hey if you want to use those as evidence and not the rest of the WORLD or even the EU, go right ahead.
    How about we just look at the Czech Republic? Twice our population, bordered in all sides, they've done my cu better than us. Can we follow their lead?
    CruelSummer wrote:
    Denmark - schools open since Mid April, no spike in cases. More Project Fear here.
    Have you figures for how many kids actually went back to school? Reports I've read say most parents have kept their kids at home and are basically still in lockdown despite the government's wishes.


  • #4956
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    We seem to have a cluster of apprentice 'Jair Bolsonaro's' here, judging from some of the deniers comments.

    This virus is a deadly, highly infectious, largely unknown entity yet... and it's long term effects are completely unknown.

    Playing Russian roulette with this virus is monumentally stupid.


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  • #4957
    Tom1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭Tom1991


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    South Korea = nightclub.
    China = 12 cases on the border with Russia in a population of 1 billion.
    I'll give you a hand and add some obscure island off Japan, but hey if you want to use those as evidence and not the rest of the WORLD or even the EU, go right ahead.

    Denmark - schools open since Mid April, no spike in cases.
    More Project Fear here.

    Link re Kawasaki disease:
    https://www.societi.org.uk/kawasaki-disease-and-covid-19/

    Very strong debunking of the scaremongering now being employed by Dr Tony to boot.
    That link primarily is saying that sufferers of Kawasaki are not more susceptible to Covid-19 then mentions its seeing less cases than it would of at that time of the year. Replace Kawasaki with any other condition and the numbers are down as people are trying to avoid hospitals.(Which is a genuine anti-lockdown argument as a whole).Fact of the matter is by the end of the year the numbers wont lie re:kawasaki and again nothing has been delayed because of this statement by Dr Tony. His comments are valid of any scientist when told about a claim that it needs to be investigated and validated.

    There are arguments for a quicker opening that can be debated but acknowledging a possible spike in heart disease in children and spending time to investigate the matter is not the reason the lockdown is happening.


  • #4958
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    You can spin the figures any way you want. Bottom line, Denmarks reporting no new deaths despite lifting of restrictions. I see that wasn’t mentioned.

    I’m calling on any journalists reading this thread and others to investigate members of NPHET and the government as to what ulterior motives they may have for extending this lockdown.


  • #4959
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    We seem to have a cluster of apprentice 'Jair Bolsonaro's' here, judging from some of the deniers comments.

    This virus is a deadly, highly infectious, largely unknown entity yet... and it's long term effects are completely unknown.

    Playing Russian roulette with this virus is monumentally stupid.

    The deniers are the ones believing the spin coming from authorities.
    How do you feel re no cancer screening or formal education continuing?
    No economic activity - how would you pay for the €350 per week. We’ve already created an enormous black hole to repay. How will we do that and continue to do so while providing public services all while fighting the ‘killer virus’.


  • #4960
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    The problem with all these restrictions and new laws - quarantine for arrivals , mandatory facemasks in public,(doing this in Belgium and mulling it in Spain) is that because bureaucracy is weeks/months behind reality they will leave these restrictions in place, even after there is a distributed vaccine (if one ever comes)

    This is why people are pissed off, this sh1t isn't temporary, they "ease" the restrictions, but it's a white elephant, it's still lockdown in reality.

    This is a new dystopian normal, I guarantee you in 3/4 years time kids will still be in their little play boxes, we'll still need to wear masks outside our homes, we'll have to queue for 45 minutes to get into a shop.

    Bars and restaurants will be a thing of the past ....

    We are approaching 9 weeks of this now in Spain, and at what cost ? how many more will die from poverty, from undiagnosed other medical issues as no one is going to hospital unless its covid19...


    A NEW WORLD ORDER .... and all because some filthy kernt wanted to eat a shiity bat arsehole.


  • #4961
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    You can spin the figures any way you want. Bottom line, Denmarks reporting no new deaths despite lifting of restrictions. I see that wasn’t mentioned.

    I’m calling on any journalists reading this thread and others to investigate members of NPHET and the government as to what ulterior motives they may have for extending this lockdown.

    PAid off by China maybe ?
    there is some motive and agenda here, it's like european governments are determined to DESTROY their countries, as in most of Europe will be a third world shiithole in a few years time.

    Meanwhile China will make trillions on the markets and are open for business and will be the only superpower ...


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  • #4962
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I’m not really following this thread anymore but just posting to say this. I know of two men who are/were in ICU with this. Both under 65. Both healthy. The very best case scenario is long term health issues. One has had 3 strokes. The other is still on a ventilator weeks at this stage. The fatality rate does not tell the whole story with this virus.


  • #4963
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,505 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    CruelSummer wrote:
    You can spin the figures any way you want. Bottom line, Denmarks reporting no new deaths despite lifting of restrictions. I see that wasn’t mentioned.
    You are the one spinning.
    CruelSummer wrote:
    I’m calling on any journalists reading this thread and others to investigate members of NPHET and the government as to what ulterior motives they may have for extending this lockdown.
    I think they've done a poor job as in not done enough. We could be clear of this thing if we were all wearing facemasks since early March and quarantined everybody entering the country.
    Now we are in a situation where things could actually get worse when we reopen.


  • #4964
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    The problem with all these restrictions and new laws - quarantine for arrivals , mandatory facemasks in public,(doing this in Belgium and mulling it in Spain) is that because bureaucracy is weeks/months behind reality they will leave these restrictions in place, even after there is a distributed vaccine (if one ever comes)

    This is why people are pissed off, this sh1t isn't temporary, they "ease" the restrictions, but it's a white elephant, it's still lockdown in reality.

    This is a new dystopian normal, I guarantee you in 3/4 years time kids will still be in their little play boxes, we'll still need to wear masks outside our homes, we'll have to queue for 45 minutes to get into a shop.

    Bars and restaurants will be a thing of the past ....

    We are approaching 9 weeks of this now in Spain, and at what cost ? how many more will die from poverty, from undiagnosed other medical issues as no one is going to hospital unless its covid19...


    A NEW WORLD ORDER .... and all because some filthy kernt wanted to eat a shiity bat arsehole.


    Lockdown? What planet are you on?

    Have you driven around Dublin, particularly at the weekends. More people mixing and drinking than ever before. A lot of people are loving this.


  • #4965
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,015 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    You can spin the figures any way you want. Bottom line, Denmarks reporting no new deaths despite lifting of restrictions. I see that wasn’t mentioned.

    I’m calling on any journalists reading this thread and others to investigate members of NPHET and the government as to what ulterior motives they may have for extending this lockdown.

    No new deaths but an increase in r value. You do realise it takes a period of time to die from covid. Hence the no new deaths. Remember they are only reopened 4 weeks.
    Stop trying to spin this to suit yourself and your agenda, think of other people who live in this country.


  • #4966
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    You can spin the figures any way you want. Bottom line, Denmarks reporting no new deaths despite lifting of restrictions. I see that wasn’t mentioned.

    I’m calling on any journalists reading this thread and others to investigate members of NPHET and the government as to what ulterior motives they may have for extending this lockdown.

    What is your opinion?


  • #4967
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    Over 99.2% of people in New York have recovered. 99.75% of German cases.

    Where do you get these figures from?

    Based on Worldometers, 7.7% of NY cases and 4.6% of German cases have died


  • #4968
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    wakka12 wrote: »
    What is your opinion?

    I would be curious re connections/investment in drug / vaccine treatments/companies which would take time to develop. Need to keep the virus as scary & dangerous as possible so there would be a high uptake / profit. I have no evidence of anything. Just curious.

    I’m not opposed to any treatments for the virus. I think we were right to close initially and take stock. But the situation / figures don’t lie. Goalposts keep getting moved with no justification or questioning from media.


  • #4969
    2smiggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,339 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    fits wrote: »
    I’m not really following this thread anymore but just posting to say this. I know of two men who are/were in ICU with this. Both under 65. Both healthy. The very best case scenario is long term health issues. One has had 3 strokes. The other is still on a ventilator weeks at this stage. The fatality rate does not tell the whole story with this virus.

    I'm the same as you. I rarely look at any of the threads on the virus here anymore. It is reassuring to see though anytime I do look, it is the same deniers of this virus thanking each others post.


  • #4970
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Beasty wrote: »
    Where do you get these figures from?

    Based on Worldometers, 7.7% of NY cases and 4.6% of German cases have died

    Those figures are confirmed from the swab test. The antibody tests are where I quote from. The mass testing of the populations which occurred in both countries. Death rate is provably much Lower as not everyone would be showing antibodies just yet, and more reliable antibody tests are emerging all the time.


  • #4971
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    What percentage of the lockdown lovers are middle class living comfortably at the moment

    Id guess 99.9%


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  • #4972
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    This kind of article boils my blood - why would we reimpose restrictions based on queues at garden centres? What kind of incompetent leaders do we have here? Why on earth are we not looking at our European neighbours and reopening now, including schools. Empty hospital wards, low rates of infection, it's a farce. There has been no spike in cases in any of the EU countries which will be fully re-opened before we can even travel over 20km.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fears-garden-centres-and-hardware-stores-face-shopper-frenzy-as-taoiseach-warns-restrictions-could-be-reversed-39209867.html

    And don't get me started on Dr Tony claiming we need to be 'worried' about the inflammatory condition affecting children. It's been around for years and the organisation for Kawasaki disease in the U.K. have reported less cases of it this year not more. No proven link to Covid, yet he'll use that.
    What about all the evidence pointing to the fact we've unfairly treated children during this a locked them up for months needlessly, and continue to do so, including a HIQA report this week saying they're not major transmitters - why aren't you using that evidence Dr Tony??

    Or the fact they keep inflating our death numbers, using people who are dying already or who have other conditions to scaremonger and keep us all towing the line. Anyone under 55 should be out and about and back to normality, that's what the Science and figures are actually saying. Why aren't we using that?


    classic prevention paradox.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevention_paradox


  • #4973
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    fits wrote: »
    I’m not really following this thread anymore but just posting to say this. I know of two men who are/were in ICU with this. Both under 65. Both healthy. The very best case scenario is long term health issues. One has had 3 strokes. The other is still on a ventilator weeks at this stage. The fatality rate does not tell the whole story with this virus.

    :D:D yeah the very best long term scenario for 80+% of people who get this are either mild cases or completely asymptomatic are "long term health" issues ...


  • #4974
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    What percentage of the lockdown lovers are middle class living comfortably at the moment

    Id guess 99.9%

    Exactly, that or either wouldn't be out working anyway ....


  • #4975
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I would be curious re connections/investment in drug / vaccine treatments/companies which would take time to develop. Need to keep the virus as scary & dangerous as possible so there would be a high uptake / profit. I have no evidence of anything. Just curious.

    I’m not opposed to any treatments for the virus. I think we were right to close initially and take stock. But the situation / figures don’t lie. Goalposts keep getting moved with no justification or questioning from media.

    Why wouldnt they do this with other diseases then? Like flu?


  • #4976
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    2smiggy wrote: »
    I'm the same as you. I rarely look at any of the threads on the virus here anymore. It is reassuring to see though anytime I do look, it is the same deniers of this virus thanking each others post.

    No one has denied the virus here unless I missed something. People have focused on the statistical aggregates which elides the suffering of individual people who have gotten covid and is insensitive in one way, but the government has based its controversial policy on R numbers and other figures so that is how it is generally discussed.


  • #4977
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Some photos from Our world re-engineered for social distancing by Reuters

    A schoolyard in Belgium

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    A tram in Nice France

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    A coffee in Thialand

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    A gents in the UK

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    ;)


    This new world order stuff is frightening. How are you supposed to feel awkward using a urinal now. This is disturbing. Get Gemma on the case and expose this lunacy.


  • #4978
    Iamabeliever
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭Iamabeliever


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    Those figures are confirmed from the swab test. The antibody tests are where I quote from. The mass testing of the populations which occurred in both countries. Death rate is provably much Lower as not everyone would be showing antibodies just yet, and more reliable antibody tests are emerging all the time.

    So you captured all the infected people but have you captured all the deaths?


  • #4979
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    This new world order stuff is frightening. How are you supposed to feel awkward using a urinal now. This is disturbing. Get Gemma on the case and expose this lunacy.

    If young children are forced into social isolation for extended periods of time then I think a person would have to be very morally degraded to go along with it. A lot of people don't realise how corrupt they are. We'll see what the "new normal" is in time I guess!


  • #4980
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Kettle, pot, black?


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  • #4981
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    :D:D yeah the very best long term scenario for 80+% of people who get this are either mild cases or completely asymptomatic are "long term health" issues ...

    I think the poster may have been referring to the two men he knew.


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