Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

political analyst · 15-05-2020 08:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's like saying a car crash is more deadly than coronavirus so an airbag to the face will work to save you from it...

A car crash is an incident involving physical objects, not microscopic organisms.

podgeandrodge · 15-05-2020 08:41PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

My reading of this is that you absolutely can travel to garden centres that are further than 5km. They are, de facto, "essential" now that they have been allowed to open?

What is the prevailing view on this - it seems that it is 50:50 given above posts! I can't even find the answer online from news articles, which reference 5km all over the place, and reference hardwares and garden centres everywhere, but don't tie the 2 together!

Edit - it seems clear:

"From 18 May 2020 you can also leave your home to avail of the expanded list of essential retail services as set out under the retail, personal services and commercial activities heading below."

No reference to within 5km.

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Exactly. Is is clear, and always has been. I don’t know why people have been overcomplicating it. Maybe it’s the word “essential” - some people seem to assume that it denotes life or death requirements. Which isn’t the case at all.

But nobody on the side of "you can't go to a garden centre more than 5km away" has since returned to accept they were incorrect.

Perhaps they still don't agree.

Gregor Samsa · 15-05-2020 08:42PM

political analyst wrote: »

But it would (to go with that analogy) work against weeds, wouldn't it?!

No. Insecticide will not kill weeds. HIV antivirals will not kill SARS-CoV-2. The ability to treat a virus is not relative to its deadliness.

15-05-2020 08:42PM

political analyst wrote: »

A car crash is an incident involving physical objects, not microscopic organisms.

We tend to look at viruses as if they small organisms of the same type, when in fact there is more genetic variation in viruses than in all the plant and animal kingdom. Comparing HIV and SARS CoV-2 could well be like comparing an elephant and an apple tree

Jim_Hodge · 15-05-2020 08:42PM

political analyst wrote: »

But it would (to go with that analogy) work against weeds, wouldn't it?!

You need to get to a garden centre. Insecticide: The clue's in the name.

15-05-2020 08:42PM

lawred2 · 15-05-2020 08:47PM

ah here - these last few pages aren't real

BorneTobyWilde · 15-05-2020 08:54PM

Stallone's heartfelt message to Nick Cordero who has been in a health battle for weeks following his Coronavirus hospitalization, woke up from a coma yesterday, minus one leg. Crazy what the virus did to him/

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CAJtK2egGyB/?utm_source=ig_embed

SeaBreezes · 15-05-2020 08:55PM

political analyst wrote: »

You didn't address the issue of lack of herd immunity due to the lockdown preventing the infection of most people.

WHO has repeatedly warned there is no guarantee of immunity...
How on earth can we get herd immunity if we don't even know if we are immune to it after catching it once?

hmmm · 15-05-2020 08:57PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Can anyone explain to me why Irish citizens living outside of prisons are not entitled the same level of protection, by fever screening at ports and airports ?

If thermal cameras were introduced we could catch active virus spreaders before they caused clusters here.

All the Asian countries who have succeeded in containing the virus do it.

We've just been told to wear masks after months of campaigning, can you at least wait a day before moving on to the next silver bullet?

At the end of this we'll all be walking around in Exoskeletons with independent air supplies to keep the curtain-twitchers happy.

For most of us, keeping away our distance from other people, washing our hands, sneezing into our sleeves, staying home when sick is what we need to be focused on - not all these theatrics with masks and thermometers.

Curious_Case · 15-05-2020 08:58PM

political analyst wrote: »

But HIV is deadlier than the coronavirus. What works against a severe virus will work against a virus that is less likely to be fatal.

I like you, that's why I've chosen you to be the new custodian of my magic beans.
Why am I selling them? Well, after decades of obeying my wishes, they no longer work for my voice
but they will respond to a new voice and grant any wish you ask.
All I need you to do is sign over all your possessions and wealth to me so that you have a clean slate to start from.
Magic beans like clean slates ; )

Benimar · 15-05-2020 09:00PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

But nobody on the side of "you can't go to a garden centre more than 5km away" has since returned to accept they were incorrect. Perhaps they still don't agree.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/

Look at section entitled ‘The only reasons you can leave home’.

Essential food and household goods is not a trip to Woodies.

EDIT: I am incorrect. I didn’t realise they had been reclassified as essential.

Beanybabog · 15-05-2020 09:07PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Dutch official advice to single people: find a sex buddy for lockdown

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/15/dutch-official-advice-to-single-people-find-a-sex-buddy-for-lockdown-coronavirus?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_WhatsApp

The best bit- “Sex with yourself or with others at a distance is possible”

We should all start sendings 1000s of emails to the politicians asking about the rules so we can enjoy the craic of forcing Leo / Simon / Tony to make a statement about lockdown sex to the nation

15-05-2020 09:10PM

Benimar wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/

Look at section entitled ‘The only reasons you can leave home’.

Essential food and household goods is not a trip to Woodies.

It’s written right there in the section you quote with no ifs ands buts or maybes. Hardware and garden centres are now listed as essential retail services

From 18 May 2020 you can also leave your home to avail of the expanded list of essential retail services as set out under the retail, personal services and commercial activities heading below

iamwhoiam · 15-05-2020 09:12PM

Who is cutting Leos hair I would like to know

Gregor Samsa · 15-05-2020 09:20PM

Benimar wrote: »

Essential food and household goods is not a trip to Woodies.

Woodies is now classified as an essential retailer (from
Monday).

You can travel to buy goods from an essential retailer.

You can travel to Woodies to buy goods ( from Monday)

There’s nothing in the regulations they compels you to justify your purchases.

There’s nothing in the regulations that defines what an essential good is, other than that it’s something sold by an essential retailer.

The regulations have no restrictions on the type of goods sold, only where they are sold.

All that is defined is what an essential retailer is, and the fact that you can travel to purchase goods from them.

c.p.w.g.w · 15-05-2020 09:24PM

What's the story with face coverings now...just saw a headline saying they are needed for phase 1 in certain circumstances

Benimar · 15-05-2020 09:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s written right there in the section you quote with no ifs ands buts or maybes. Hardware and garden centres are now listed as essential retail services

From 18 May 2020 you can also leave your home to avail of the expanded list of essential retail services as set out under the retail, personal services and commercial activities heading below

So you can. Apologies.

Didn’t realise they were now classed as essential!

Gregor Samsa · 15-05-2020 09:25PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

What's the story with face coverings now...just saw a headline saying they are needed for phase 1 in certain circumstances

Read more than the headlines. Gov is recommending them on public transport and indoor retail locations. Not requiring them.

c.p.w.g.w · 15-05-2020 09:26PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Read more than the headlines. Gov is recommending them on public transport and indoor retail locations. Not requiring them.

i was having a problem finding the info, i was hoping someone would provide a link

Away With The Fairies · 15-05-2020 09:26PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

What's the story with face coverings now...just saw a headline saying they are needed for phase 1 in certain circumstances

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/aac74c-guidance-on-safe-use-of-face-coverings/

Recommended where it's difficult to practice social distancing, so public transport, shops or anywhere there's people.

s1ippy · 15-05-2020 09:27PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

@the poster that posted this (I have removed text and name as suggested by other posters in case you fix yours and my quoting remains), I would advise you not to get into that level of detail about your circumstances. Not that everyone from everywhere is on boards, but if your boss happened to be, they could potentially identify you from the above as you've provided many personal attributes (detailed in original post). Just saying.

Yeah, you're definitely right. They're exactly the sort to start an inquisition about that stuff as well. "I read a post on a well-known message board about myself" etc

Just to sum up my original post, if your boss is flouting the guidelines, I respectfully recommend non-compliance.

Hmmzis · 15-05-2020 09:32PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

What's the story with face coverings now...just saw a headline saying they are needed for phase 1 in certain circumstances

You are advised to wear one in public transport and shops.
My take is that if you are going shopping, don a mask. If you are taking public transport don a mask.
Out for a run, jog, cycle etc. no advice to don a mask.

You only touch your mask twice - when donning is the first time, when doffing is the second time.
Wash hands before donning, wash hands (like you really mean it) after doffing.

titan18 · 15-05-2020 09:36PM

Not that I need to use public transport ATM, but if I was, I'd definitely wear a mask. For shops, you can likely get by without one once they're obeying capacity restrictions. In normal time, it's rare that I've been in a woodies or Harvey Norman that's been packed. It's usually more staff than customers most of the time

speckle · 15-05-2020 09:41PM

ESSENTIAL 5 page update: Not to dickie up the house ;-)
The craft shops and old sock usage.
Begonia starved hoards, gnomes and solar lights.
Magic beans and computer thrashing sex from afar.
Weed killing insecticide, loopholds and dandylions.
Silver bullets, apple trees and elephants.
Car crashes, microscopic organisms roses and greenfly.
Is Covid or Hiv deadlier at 5kms with or without an airbag?
I respectfully reccommend non- compliance.
Just incase anyone asks for an update.
ooh forgot exoskeletons and the curtain twitchers.

Beasty · 15-05-2020 09:45PM

I'm not seeing the list of retailers allowed to be open referred to as "essential" any more. It is simply a list of those retailers that "can open from 18 May"

We always knew this would be phased. If the added retailers were "essential" they would have been on the original list. It's simply part of a process, with what I assume are considered "less risky" or a category below "essential" - with hardware/DIY stores perhaps allowing some space to shop, but also offering goods that people can use when stuck at to home

Yes it's unfortunate that certain retailers were led to believe they would be on this list, but I'm guessing that if the likes of IKEA had kept their heads down (which I appreciate is going to be difficult for a business like that) the "powers that be" may have not really thought through the prospect of those stores in particular being inundated

We had the situation with grocery retailers having masses of people turning up first thing on a morning. I've never had to wait for more than a few minutes outside Tesco because I typically go mid-afternoon. I suspect IKEA would have had thousands turning up on Monday morning if they were to open, and social media would then be plastered with photos of people appearing to queue in a non social distancing way (which we all know can appear to be the case with certain camera angles even if everyone is respecting a 2m distance)

Gregor Samsa · 15-05-2020 09:45PM

speckle wrote: »

ESSENTIAL 5 page update: Not to dickie up the house ;-)
The craft shops and old sock usage.
Begonia starved hoards, gnomes and solar lights.
Magic beans and computer thrashing sex from afar.
Weed killing insecticide and loopholds.
Silver bullets, apple trees and elephants.
Car crashes, microscopic organisms roses and greenfly.
Is Covid or Hiv deadlier at 5kms with or without an airbag?
I respectfully reccommend non- compliance.
Just incase anyone asks for an uodate.

These are a few of my fav-or-ite things...

s1ippy · 15-05-2020 09:46PM

speckle wrote: »

ESSENTIAL 5 page update: Not to dickie up the house ;-)
The craft shops and old sock usage.
Begonia starved hoards, gnomes and solar lights.
Magic beans and computer thrashing sex from afar.
Weed killing insecticide and loopholds.
Silver bullets, apple trees and elephants.
Car crashes, microscopic organisms roses and greenfly.
Is Covid or Hiv deadlier at 5kms with or without an airbag?
I respectfully reccommend non- compliance.
Just incase anyone asks for an update.
ooh firgot exoskeletons and the curtain twitchers.

We didn't start the virus

Gregor Samsa · 15-05-2020 09:50PM

Beasty wrote: »

I'm not seeing the list of retailers allowed to be open referred to as "essential" any more. It is simply a list of those retailers that "can open from 18 May"

It’s a word I think they should stop using, but they are still using it:

“From 18 May 2020 you can also leave your home to avail of the expanded list of essential retail services as set out under the retail, personal services and commercial activities heading below.”

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/#the-only-reasons-you-can-leave-your-home

And I do suspect Ikea was the main reason the “homewares” category was taken off the list at the last minute. The place would have been chaos on Monday morning. It’ll still be chaos whenever they do open, so I guess that will have to be planned for. This part wasn’t handled well by the government.

robbiezero · 15-05-2020 09:55PM

Beasty wrote: »

I'm not seeing the list of retailers allowed to be open referred to as "essential" any more. It is simply a list of those retailers that "can open from 18 May"

We always knew this would be phased. If the added retailers were "essential" they would have been on the original list. It's simply part of a process, with what I assume are considered "less risky" or a category below "essential" - with hardware/DIY stores perhaps allowing some space to shop, but also offering goods that people can use when stuck at to home

Yes it's unfortunate that certain retailers were led to believe they would be on this list, but I'm guessing that if the likes of IKEA had kept their heads down (which I appreciate is going to be difficult for a business like that) the "powers that be" may have not really thought through the prospect of those stores in particular being inundated

We had the situation with grocery retailers having masses of people turning up first thing on a morning. I've never had to wait for more than a few minutes outside Tesco because I typically go mid-afternoon. I suspect IKEA would have had thousands turning up on Monday morning if they were to open, and social media would then be plastered with photos of people appearing to queue in a non social distancing way (which we all know can appear to be the case with certain camera angles even if everyone is respecting a 2m distance)

I am happy to be corrected, but is it not a bit of sledgehammer to crack a nut approach to not allow it to open for another 3 weeks.
Surely to only allow a certain amount of cars to enter the car park and to regulate the actual size of the queue would have been possible in the initial few days.
Given the economic footprint of the likes of IKEA, I am surprised they wouldn't have been anxious to try and get it open.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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