John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

Truthvader · 14-05-2020 04:10PM

Tenger wrote: »

I am in a telegram group full of their anti lockdown supporters. Not posting anything, just lurking. I'm shocked just reading the unbelievable ****e they post.

Multiple Internet memes, clips of Infowars, IFP and/or QAnon YouTube videos.
"Bill Gates is using 5G to cause Covid"
"Covid is a hoax to install 5G"
"5G is going to control the microchips that will be included inside the hoax Covid vaccine"
"NWO is behind all of this hoax"
"Covid is a global hoax to force us to accept a single global government and a cashless society"

A small number of members ask questions about science or facts and get slammed.

There are people there who believe the Magna Carta will over rule the Irish Constitution. They are all MAGA muppet.

They were thrilled that they got 2 dozen people outside Leinster House on Tuesday. They are hoping for "double or triple our numbers" this weekend.

Which is wonderfully ironic considering that Gemma opening with “this is a waste of taxpayers money”

Damn those Lizard People. Damn them all to hell.

Bridge93 · 14-05-2020 04:18PM

I'm convinced most dont really believe it all. There will be a few but I think most are just thrill seekers of another kind. A hobby if you like. Its fun to be contrarian on everything and believe stuff that makes you look mad or 'edgy'. Dungeons and dragons for a different type of nerd. I could believe they actually believe some of it if they didnt believe ALL of it. Fine you might have your one or two conspiracy theories or minority views. But to be supporting all of them and everything that goes against the status quo just smacks of it being deliberate. Or they're bitter/ mentally ill whatever.

Tenger · 14-05-2020 05:21PM

Bridge93 wrote: »

I'm convinced most dont really believe it all. There will be a few but I think most are just thrill seekers of another kind. A hobby if you like. Its fun to be contrarian on everything and believe stuff that makes you look mad or 'edgy'. Dungeons and dragons for a different type of nerd. I could believe they actually believe some of it if they didnt believe ALL of it. Fine you might have your one or two conspiracy theories or minority views. But to be supporting all of them and everything that goes against the status quo just smacks of it being deliberate. Or they're bitter/ mentally ill whatever.

I would agree. But the level of delusion I am seeing is shocking.
Must try get a couple of screenshot.

Ipso · 14-05-2020 05:28PM

Tenger wrote: »

I am in a telegram group full of their anti lockdown supporters. Not posting anything, just lurking. I'm shocked just reading the unbelievable ****e they post.

Multiple Internet memes, clips of Infowars, IFP and/or QAnon YouTube videos.
"Bill Gates is using 5G to cause Covid"
"Covid is a hoax to install 5G"
"5G is going to control the microchips that will be included inside the hoax Covid vaccine"
"NWO is behind all of this hoax"
"Covid is a global hoax to force us to accept a single global government and a cashless society"

A small number of members ask questions about science or facts and get slammed.

There are people there who believe the Magna Carta will over rule the Irish Constitution. They are all MAGA muppet.

They were thrilled that they got 2 dozen people outside Leinster House on Tuesday. They are hoping for "double or triple our numbers" this weekend.

Which is wonderfully ironic considering that Gemma opening with “this is a waste of taxpayers money”

I’m thinking of re-naming my wifi to something like 5G-Spreadcovid. Might be fun if there are any twoofers around.

joseywhales · 14-05-2020 05:35PM

Ipso wrote: »

I’m thinking of re-naming my wifi to something like 5G-Spreadcovid. Might be fun if there are any twoofers around.

Ah I wouldn't go out of my way to draw attention from those kinds of people.

We get it , government's are corrupt to various degrees but it's the best we can get right now, it doesn't mean they are trying to infect you with a virus.

trashcan · 14-05-2020 05:37PM

TheChizler wrote: »

Madness altogether. Microprocessors small enough to be unnoticeably injected are too small to use antennae. What they instead use to communicate is light. And nobody powerful is looking to bring light inside the body, are they??

Light, and disinfectant, but sssh, keep it to yourself. Someone did let the cat out of the bag, but I think he got away with it.

Annasopra · 14-05-2020 07:29PM

Creol1 wrote: »

They didn't produce any evidence at all to the satisfaction of the Court. The facts sworn in the affidavit only alluded to the situation as it stood two months ago when the death toll was two. At paragraph 29 of the judgment it was noted that the test at this stage is whether the facts sworn, if proved, would support an arguable case in law, so the threshold is not very high.

I don't think the case is entirely inconsequential. The Court of Appeal could overturn the High Court decision and grant leave, it could remit the case back to the High Court, the Court of Appeal's decision could be appealed to the Supreme Court, they could re-issue the proceedings as plenary proceedings (the correct format), but it's futile to speculate on what the ultimate outcome may or may not be.

Oh come on trying to obfuscate and claim they have a case

rubadub · 14-05-2020 09:27PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

Who funds these two ? Where do they get their money from?

She has a donation page, I wondered if they managed to swindle any cash out of that young man with Down syndrome who was pictured at their gatherings. A few others looked like they possibly have intellectual disabilities too (or whatever this weeks PC term is). She is sickening, I bet if you had gone to one of these gatherings and start coughing half them would have ran a mile and pulled out masks.

swampy353 · 14-05-2020 11:44PM

rubadub wrote: »

She has a donation page, I wondered if they managed to swindle any cash out of that young man with Down syndrome who was pictured at their gatherings. A few others looked like they possibly have intellectual disabilities too (or whatever this weeks PC term is). She is sickening, I bet if you had gone to one of these gatherings and start coughing half them would have ran a mile and pulled out masks.

Doubt that's where her money comes from, wouldn't expect that they earn enough to support the loon. I would think it's more likely that her money comes from the US, you'll regularly see tweets which have no relevance to Ireland, but promote a US only issue eg expose CBS

Raisins · 14-05-2020 11:57PM

Creol1 wrote: »

They didn't produce any evidence at all to the satisfaction of the Court. The facts sworn in the affidavit only alluded to the situation as it stood two months ago when the death toll was two. At paragraph 29 of the judgment it was noted that the test at this stage is whether the facts sworn, if proved, would support an arguable case in law, so the threshold is not very high.

I don't think the case is entirely inconsequential. The Court of Appeal could overturn the High Court decision and grant leave, it could remit the case back to the High Court, the Court of Appeal's decision could be appealed to the Supreme Court, they could re-issue the proceedings as plenary proceedings (the correct format), but it's futile to speculate on what the ultimate outcome may or may not be.

Not a chance will the court of appeal overturn the decision. The affidavits have closed. The appeal will be based on an assessment of the evidence Meenan had before him at the time he refused leave which we know was garbage stream of consciousness.

Polar101 · 15-05-2020 04:32AM

Tenger wrote: »

I am in a telegram group full of their anti lockdown supporters. Not posting anything, just lurking. I'm shocked just reading the unbelievable ****e they post.

Are they also saying people shouldn't be sheep and do their own research? (as in, watch youtube videos until you find one that agrees with your agenda)

swampy353 · 15-05-2020 07:29AM

Polar101 wrote: »

Are they also saying people shouldn't be sheep and do their own research? (as in, watch youtube videos until you find one that agrees with your agenda)

More like read more into topics from a wide range of different points of view. I would see the alt right as been more sheep then anyone else, within their own bias bubble any amount of crap is spouted and accepted at face value. When someone has the cheek to question or dispute the new theory, they are a shill trying to undermine the movement. If they cannot accept scrutiny of the ideas, they are the sheep.

The latest and greatest is that the death rate for covid is lower than seasonal flu, this is correct BUT there wasn't a lock down for seasonal flu and the death rate for covid is low because there were measures put in place.

The people who are so inclined stop at the death rate, people who want to be informed find out the 2nd bit.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-05-2020 12:15PM

https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1261207214309683201

Is she suggesting we will pay her bill?

They took a case and they lost so they should pay.

TheChizler · 15-05-2020 12:52PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1261207214309683201

Is she suggesting we will pay her bill?

They took a case and they lost so they should pay.

Have costs been awarded yet? Fergal might be jumping ahead of himself there in fairness.

eeepaulo · 15-05-2020 01:25PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1261207214309683201

Is she suggesting we will pay her bill?

They took a case and they lost so they should pay.

She did it on behalf of the people of ireland so i guess its only fair we get to pay it.

blueythebear · 15-05-2020 01:29PM

eeepaulo wrote: »

She did it on behalf of the people of ireland so i guess its only fair we get to pay it.

Not sure we asked her to do it? Was there a vote i missed?

Hibernicis · 15-05-2020 01:53PM

blueythebear wrote: »

Not sure we asked her to do it? Was there a vote i missed?

You may have missed this vote. Gemma obviously did.....

The Nal · 15-05-2020 02:09PM

Hibernicis wrote: »

You may have missed this vote. Gemma obviously did.....

Or this one?

Election 2020: Far-right candidates put in dismal showing

"One of the best performers from the far-right milieu was Gemma O’Doherty, a former Irish Independent journalist turned conspiracy theorist and anti-immigration campaigner. She took 1.97 per cent of the vote in Fingal"

Hotblack Desiato · 15-05-2020 02:17PM

TheChizler wrote: »

Have costs been awarded yet? Fergal might be jumping ahead of himself there in fairness.

You need to understand journo speak, "to face" means it might happen or it might not.

TheChizler · 15-05-2020 02:33PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

You need to understand journo speak, "to face" means it might happen or it might not.

"May have to face" would indicate it might happen or might not, "to face" is a definitive statement.

blueythebear · 15-05-2020 02:43PM

TheChizler wrote: »

"May have to face" would indicate it might happen or might not, "to face" is a definitive statement.

The court has invited submissions as to the order he should make on costs. The usual procedure is that they will have costs awarded against them because they lost. But the court does not have to do that...although they have to convince the court to not award costs against them.

eeepaulo · 15-05-2020 03:07PM

It's comedy gold, we give ray darcy half a million euro a year, on that basis she's a steal.

With all the sports tv and movie stars isolating we should be doubling down, get a film crew on her and tell her to open an exotic animal park, maybe focusing on big cats.

blueythebear · 15-05-2020 03:16PM

eeepaulo wrote: »

It's comedy gold, we give ray darcy half a million euro a year, on that basis she's a steal.

With all the sports tv and movie stars isolating we should be doubling down, get a film crew on her and tell her to open an exotic animal park, maybe focusing on big cats.

Or many small cats... think it suits her better

VillageIdiot71 · 15-05-2020 04:57PM

TheChizler wrote: »

Have costs been awarded yet? Fergal might be jumping ahead of himself there in fairness.

I take it their costs are negligible as they represented themselves.

So presumably its whether the State seeks its costs; rare in this kind of case for the State to get its costs paid, even when they win.

But who's to know?

swampy353 · 15-05-2020 05:09PM

VillageIdiot71 wrote: »

I take it their costs are negligible as they represented themselves.

So presumably its whether the State seeks its costs; rare in this kind of case for the State to get its costs paid, even when they win.

But who's to know?

Absolutely not, they are looking at between 50-75k according to rte. Its not just their costs in the governments barristers etc plus court time

blueythebear · 15-05-2020 05:27PM

swampy353 wrote: »

Absolutely not, they are looking at between 50-75k according to rte. Its not just their costs in the governments barristers etc plus court time

50 to 75k is all the states costs. The applicsnts costs would be stamp duty on court papers which would be less than €150-200.

The state had senior counsel and two junior counsels in total i think. The senior could be 10k (or more) per day over 2 days in total. Plus two thirds of that for juniors so thats €44 k potentially just on barrister fees alone for the hearing. There would be further fees for the two dates it was for mention plus a brief fee for each barrister for reading the papers. Could very quickly reach 75k.

VillageIdiot71 · 15-05-2020 11:13PM

swampy353 wrote: »

Absolutely not, they are looking at between 50-75k according to rte. Its not just their costs in the governments barristers etc plus court time

Erm, I did say the issue was if the State's costs were ordered to be paid by them, didn't I?

And the Judge hasn't ordered yet, so RTE have jumped the gun.

blueythebear wrote: »

50 to 75k is all the states costs. The applicsnts costs would be stamp duty on court papers which would be less than €150-200.

The state had senior counsel and two junior counsels in total i think. The senior could be 10k (or more) per day over 2 days in total. Plus two thirds of that for juniors so thats €44 k potentially just on barrister fees alone for the hearing. There would be further fees for the two dates it was for mention plus a brief fee for each barrister for reading the papers. Could very quickly reach 75k.

I take it this wouldn't be the time to take in how quickly the legals claim €75,000 in fees.

Would folk expect you need to be paid €75,000 to produce a sound argument to refute Gemtrails?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt3GBlVjUd0

blueythebear · 15-05-2020 11:19PM

VillageIdiot71 wrote: »

Erm, I did say the issue was if the State's costs were ordered to be paid by them, didn't I?

And the Judge hasn't ordered yet, so RTE have jumped the gun.
I take it this wouldn't be the time to take in his quickly the legals claim €75,000 in fees.

Would folk expect you need to be paid €75,000 to produce a sound argument to refute Gemtrails?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt3GBlVjUd0

Well 50 to 75k will be whats claimed by the state but that sum will always be taxed in default if necessary. But 50 to 75 would not be unreasonable at going rates.

plodder · 15-05-2020 11:23PM

VillageIdiot71 wrote: »

Erm, I did say the issue was if the State's costs were ordered to be paid by them, didn't I?

And the Judge hasn't ordered yet, so RTE have jumped the gun.
I take it this wouldn't be the time to take in how quickly the legals claim €75,000 in fees.

Would folk expect you need to be paid €75,000 to produce a sound argument to refute Gemtrails?

Fair question. I don't believe in punishment by legal costs and 75K seems to be an excessive over estimate in this case.

swampy353 · 15-05-2020 11:24PM

VillageIdiot71 wrote: »

Erm, I did say the issue was if the State's costs were ordered to be paid by them, didn't I?

And the Judge hasn't ordered yet, so RTE have jumped the gun.
I take it this wouldn't be the time to take in how quickly the legals claim €75,000 in fees.

Would folk expect you need to be paid €75,000 to produce a sound argument to refute Gemtrails?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt3GBlVjUd0

In all likelihood they states costs will be award against GemGem. There is a precedent of costs not been assigned to the loser if the case in the public interest. Don't think this will be the case here they failed in seeking leave to make a challenge. They didn't even prove that there may be a case against the laws

John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

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