Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

owlbethere · 15-05-2020 04:03PM

Why are the hardware shops not allowed to open on Monday? That's an absolute load of sh1t? Get the hardware shops open for christ sake.

niallo27 · 15-05-2020 04:03PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Taoiseach making a speech at 4 alright.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1261305142311358465

I wonder will he read us a nice poem, or tell us about Jimmy from Cavan that is sad he cant go to the beach.

CalamariFritti · 15-05-2020 04:06PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Why are the hardware shops not allowed to open on Monday? That's an absolute load of sh1t? Get the hardware shops open for christ sake.

They are allowed to open.

owlbethere · 15-05-2020 04:09PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

They are allowed to open.

There was something earlier that said they weren't allowed open.

Some good news

Akabusi · 15-05-2020 04:12PM

I came across a post on Facebook about my local hospital (Cavan) boasting that no patients have died in their ICU. Is that a bit disingenuous? We have had deaths in the county from this, are they just dying in their own homes, care homes or in a normal hospital ward?

Akabusi · 15-05-2020 04:13PM

owlbethere wrote: »

There was something earlier that said they weren't allowed open.

Some good news

I think you are mixing them up with Homeware shops.

Ludo · 15-05-2020 04:14PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Why are the hardware shops not allowed to open on Monday? That's an absolute load of sh1t? Get the hardware shops open for christ sake.

A well put intelligent argument :rolleyes:

nj27 · 15-05-2020 04:19PM

Will the likes of Argos and Harvey Norman be open on Monday?

minggatu · 15-05-2020 04:19PM

joeysoap wrote: »

One thing is obvious

Sweden doesn’t give two fcuks about older citizens.

"What is most attractive about Sweden’s approach to observers around the world is its impact on the economy. But there too, Stockholm’s decision to avoid a shutdown also looks less effective than its fans have hoped.
Riksbank, the Swedish central bank, has offered two economic projections for this year, both dismal. The brighter one predicts a GDP contraction of 6.9 percent; the other, with different assumptions, predicts a 9.7 percent drop of GDP. In either case, it’s a major recession.
Those numbers are no better than Sweden’s neighbors. Norway is projecting a 5.5 percent drop in GDP, Finland and Denmark about 6 to 6.5 percent. However lively the restaurant scene looks in Stockholm and Gothenburg, Sweden’s economy will still suffer from disrupted manufacturing supply chains and a collapse in exports."

https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/28759/the-swedish-model-is-a-failure-not-a-panacea

Larbre34 · 15-05-2020 04:21PM

nj27 wrote: »

Will the likes of Argos and Harvey Norman be open on Monday?

Harvey Norman say they will be. I expect them to be told to remain closed. Argos, I would doubt it also.

polesheep · 15-05-2020 04:22PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Just waiting for the Mater numbers to be confirmed they were included before and we end up then with a negative number of cases today.

For the first time since this began, today NPHET will name those who died (not)... They are all called Lazarus.

Larbre34 · 15-05-2020 04:23PM

George Lee on the RTÉ coverage just now "IKEA have been put back in their box"

Burn.

Eod100 · 15-05-2020 04:23PM

Will people really get or respect nuance of you can golf or play tennis but only if it's within 5k of your home? You'd wonder..

eagle eye · 15-05-2020 04:24PM

And still no facemask order. Was this idiot Varadkar really a doctor? I find it very hard to believe he had the intelligence to get into medical school.

Eod100 · 15-05-2020 04:25PM

eagle eye wrote: »

And still no facemask order. Was this idiot Varadkar really a doctor? I find it very hard to believe he had the intelligence to get into medical school.

It's not over yet, Harris is there so might announce. Or NPHET later.

political analyst · 15-05-2020 04:26PM

My uncle, who lives in Dublin, had a flu-like illness last December. He and his wife have foreign students staying with them at their house - two students had been staying there before his illness; one student was Italian, the other was Chinese.

I also heard of a teacher being sick at the same time with an illness "worse than the flu".

So maybe the first wave had already hit us (There's already a lot of talk about that online and so it's reasonable to believe it) and the second wave was underway when our lockdown commenced.

15-05-2020 04:26PM

That’ll be checkpoints needed at the gates of tennis and golf clubs then.

podgeandrodge · 15-05-2020 04:26PM

New Home wrote: »

Another experiment with masks:

https://twitter.com/NEJM/status/1253364259112865792

eagle eye wrote: »

Wow, again anybody with a bit of cop on would know this but that's great. I'm sharing that with everybody.

To note though, there have been plenty of these lab experiments showing the potential for micro droplets to move around and hang in the air, and indeed carry particles of the virus.

However, it has not been proven at all whether these micro droplets are sufficient to infect people - as opposed to the main supposed method of being in close contact for a period of time, and coughing/sneezing significant amounts onto you, or touching recently infected surfaces. There are articles available to confirm that even those doing some of these experiments have noted this as a proviso.

In my unqualified opinion, which I respect does not match up to the newly qualified scientists on this forum, there would be a serious amount more infections and hospitalizations if it was that easy to get infected. Supermarket staff would be dropping in their thousands (and of course, yes, some of them are getting sick like everyone else).

(This, despite community transmission being close to zero and few people wearing masks in shops).

(awaits condemnation from boards medical inc.)

s1ippy · 15-05-2020 04:27PM

Eod100 wrote: »

It's not over yet, Harris is there so might announce. Or NPHET later.

It came under "additional protection".

Stheno · 15-05-2020 04:27PM

eagle eye wrote: »

And still no facemask order. Was this idiot Varadkar really a doctor? I find it very hard to believe he had the intelligence to get into medical school.

He specifically said they are recommended on public transport and indoor spaces like shops?

Mental Mickey · 15-05-2020 04:27PM

Nothing on cocooning??

15-05-2020 04:27PM

political analyst wrote: »

My uncle, who lives in Dublin, had a flu-like illness last December. He and his wife have foreign students staying with them at their house - two students had been staying there before his illness; one student was Italian, the other was Chinese.

I also heard of a teacher being sick at the same time with an illness "worse than the flu".

So maybe the first wave had already hit us (There's already a lot of talk about that online and so it's reasonable to believe it) and the second wave was underway when our lockdown commenced.

Here’s hoping.

Strazdas · 15-05-2020 04:28PM

minggatu wrote: »

"What is most attractive about Sweden’s approach to observers around the world is its impact on the economy. But there too, Stockholm’s decision to avoid a shutdown also looks less effective than its fans have hoped.
Riksbank, the Swedish central bank, has offered two economic projections for this year, both dismal. The brighter one predicts a GDP contraction of 6.9 percent; the other, with different assumptions, predicts a 9.7 percent drop of GDP. In either case, it’s a major recession.
Those numbers are no better than Sweden’s neighbors. Norway is projecting a 5.5 percent drop in GDP, Finland and Denmark about 6 to 6.5 percent. However lively the restaurant scene looks in Stockholm and Gothenburg, Sweden’s economy will still suffer from disrupted manufacturing supply chains and a collapse in exports."

https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/28759/the-swedish-model-is-a-failure-not-a-panacea

The idea that you could have a booming economy whilst the rest of the world is in deep recession was obviously nuts (something lost on the 'no need for lockdown' fans).

Eod100 · 15-05-2020 04:28PM

s1ippy wrote: »

It came under "additional protection".

You're right. Missed that.

GazzaL · 15-05-2020 04:28PM

The HSE have openly declared a social and economic War of Terror on the people of Ireland. Our hospitals are lying empty at a cost of €115m per month. People are going untreated and undiagnosed for non-COVID illnesses. Many shops who had planned to reopen on Monday are being told that they're not allowed to do so, threatening their survival and the jobs of workers. The most incompetent failed organisation in the country is trying to bring everyone down to their level. The HSE will have blood on their hands, their actions will result in death and destruction.

Imagine planning for weeks to reopen, having implemented new health and safety procedures, social distancing, hand santising routines and so on, only to be told at 4pm on the working day before you open that they don't want you to!

We are now falling even further behind the rest of Europe!

leahyl · 15-05-2020 04:29PM

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Nothing on cocooning??

There was never going to be a change to that.

eagle eye · 15-05-2020 04:30PM

Mental Mickey wrote:

Nothing on cocooning??

No, obviously old people and those with underlying conditions are unimportant to those in government.

Stheno · 15-05-2020 04:30PM

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1261316838916530178?s=19

podgeandrodge · 15-05-2020 04:30PM

A former state epidemiologist for Sweden has claimed Ireland's coronavirus lockdown is pushing the serious cases into the future.

Dr Johan Giesecke has also claimed the Irish approach is "destroying the fabric" of our society and economy.

Sweden has never gone into full lockdown - instead opting for a 'soft' approach.

They are keeping shops and restaurants open, and relying on people limiting their contact with other people.

Over 3,500 people have died there, but the hope is most of the population would be immune if there is a second wave.

Dr Giesecke, who is advising the Swedish government on its approach, told Newstalk Breakfast it is a better approach than the path Ireland is taking.

"One example is your neighbour the United Kingdom: they have more deaths per million inhabitants than Sweden has.

"And they've had a rather severe lockdown all the time, that's one example".

"The other is that what you do is you push your cases into the future - many people will get infected once you open the lockdown".

"But you can't keep a lockdown in Ireland for a year, that would be impossible."

He said he believes ultimately everyone will get the virus: "That's true for all respiratory tract infections like this - influenza, measles - you can't get rid of them without a vaccine.

"If a good vaccine comes along, then I'm wrong - but if not, everyone will get it in the end".

"I don't think that the serial lock-up is a very good solution.

"You're destroying the fabric of your society and your economy - and you [are] pushing the serious cases into the future."

He added that while he agrees on flattening the curve through a lockdown, "they will not prevent people from coming infected in the future".

normanoffside · 15-05-2020 04:30PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Harvey Norman say they will be. I expect them to be told to remain closed. Argos, I would doubt it also.

Electrical and IT stores can open.
They should be covered by that.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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