Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Italy to allow free travel across the country from the 3rd of June, the hardest hit country can do this and yet out nanny state are crawling along at a snails pace.

Apparently the reason for delaying the opening of the likes of ikea etc is they were concerned with large numbers of people turning up along with it seems a clumsy description of the retailers permitted in phase 1 according to gavan Reilly

So instead homeware stores will be delayed until phase 2 when restrictions are changed to 20k because the crowds wont be as big in phase 2 at 20k rather than 5 k restrictions

But ye know we are using the best science available, data, metrics etc.

Now stfah and stop asking questions

mr zulu wrote: »

Italy to allow free travel across the country from the 3rd of June, the hardest hit country can do this and yet out nanny state are crawling along at a snails pace.

July 20th here if we're lucky but the government will prob postpone that as well

mr zulu wrote: »

You can guarantee that alright.

Yup

More time where we can't legally travel to see friends, family and partners

It's too late to "crush the curve", it worked in countries like NZ because it's been their method from the start.


What is our plan? The curve is largely flattened, and the storm that Leo said would happen didn't happen (which has been admitted).

They are promising fast test/trace/isolate so are we just going to stay in lockdown until a certain number of cases gets reached? We're not going to get 0 cases and when lockdown lifts, we'll probably get more cases forcing us back into lockdown again.

Deleted User wrote: »

The government are afraid of people doing anything. They won't ditch the 5km because they don't want us to go to parks / beaches. They won't reopen homestores because they don't want people going to Ikea.

Is it safe to say that the government want to continue lockdown for 3 more weeks? At least.

I'd really love to know what figures they are looking for. We've no hope of this lockdown ending until we're out of money.

Then there'll be ads thanking people for "getting up early" and working to keep the country going..

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1261275179487035398

Misprint in the plan

I wonder how many more 'misprints' they will rely on in future?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1261297270672285696?s=19

Couldn't make this up

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Lads whatever about justified criticism and tbh I would be somewhat frustrated with the lack of hard criteria myself and I also think there is a good bit of arse covering in our slow approach.

And all that.

But I was in IKEA before myself and not just once. a) Its layout is very tight and it is also often very very full. b) Also it is the only store in the country and most of its customers would be outside its 5km radius.

They could probably deal with (a) but probably not so much with (b).

I may not like it and I may even think our plan is overly cautious. But the government put out a plan and they will have to be consistent with it whether you like the plan or not. Only thing worse than a plan that is too slow is a plan thats falling apart immediately.

Opening IKEA on Monday would not appear to be consistent with phase 1 tbh. Even I can see that.

Every other business has solved this problem by having queues out the door. If this is really the reason the NPHET are clearly way out of touch with what is actually happening. It’s about time the board was stacked with business people to bring some balance.

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Lads whatever about justified criticism and tbh I would be somewhat frustrated with the lack of hard criteria myself and I also think there is a good bit of arse covering in our slow approach.

And all that.

But I was in IKEA before myself and not just once. a) Its layout is very tight and it is also often very very full. b) Also it is the only store in the country and most of its customers would be outside its 5km radius.

They could probably deal with (a) but probably not so much with (b).

I may not like it and I may even think our plan is overly cautious. But the government put out a plan and they will have to be consistent with it whether you like the plan or not. Only thing worse than a plan that is too slow is a plan thats falling apart immediately.

Opening IKEA on Monday would not appear to be consistent with phase 1 tbh. Even I can see that.

I am sorry, what changes exactly on the 8th of June?? Less people queue to IKEA?

mr zulu wrote: »

The Who organisation are telling us until a vaccine is available we will have to live along with coronavirus, so why not just get on with our lives and try to adjust to it.

I wouldnt listen to those WHO clowns.

"Just last month, the WHO warned that lifting coronavirus lockdowns was the “last thing” countries needed, and insisted shutdowns “are the best way to suppress and stop transmission”."

Then

"The World Health Organisation lavished praise on Sweden as “a future model” in the next phase of fighting the outbreak because it has trusted people to observe social distancing rules."

Clowns thought that Swedish population is the only one who can be trusted? Cringe.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sweden-is-a-model-for-the-new-coronavirus-normal-says-who-dd8fgw7d0

Surely by delaying the reopening of homeware stores such as IKEA/Homestore more/Local boutique Homeware stores etc until June 8th on the premise of queues being too long the problem will either be:

a) Worse, with further pent up demand now concentrated further around the latest published date, meaning the spread of the disease would be more pronounced than they think it'll be now.

or

b) Less, smaller queues, as the current recession has now taken a tighter grip and many of these stores will now never be able to reopen as people won't have the money to spend in the economy.

Seeing the current super conservative approach being taken seems fully focusing on health from COVID-19 and health alone, are they legitimately trying to induce a recession to artificially limit people's movement and write off another generation of Irish to be forced to move abroad again, another lost generation only 11 years after the last recession??

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

By every metric containment has worked.

'Every metric'.

https://twitter.com/danobrien20/status/1261226635765874689

Do you think that our government has an issue with how successful Sweden have been with their approach (given 100,000 dead Swedes predictions) so they are picking on IKEA?

That is the only possible reason I see for keeping IKEA closed for another 3 weeks.