Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Kermit.de.frog · 15-05-2020 02:51PM

The govt are doing what is best for public health and are being guided by the country's top health experts and are absolutely right not to be guided by the opinions of a tiny minority of cranks who, if they were listened to, would see us back in trouble in short order.

Not being able to visit IKEA is not exactly top of the list of concerns atm.

The plan on every metric has worked but we need to be careful about how we open up and the pace.

Ginger n Lemon · 15-05-2020 02:52PM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Our lord and saviour Tony has the final say :rolleyes:

Unfortunately. We went and got ourselves into a dictatorship, where decision of 1 person affects millions.

15-05-2020 02:52PM

jibber5000 wrote: »

What do you think is going to happen the health service during the recession that's coming?

I don't recall any poster here having an issue with the lockdown, when the data seemed to suggest Covid carried a much higher risk than we now know. As time has progressed we've learned that, thankfully it is not as serious as first indicated.

However we still continue to have a lockdown in large swaths of the country which are not recording daily CASES nevermind deaths.

Our health service has really struggled to train and retain doctors for a multitude of reasons, primarily the massive disparity in the consultant contracts from 2012 on. A lot of peripheral hospitals are populated by locum consultants who have not completed training schemes.

This has a massive impact on patient care. Any chance we had of resolving this mess has been shot to pieces by Covid. When we are plunged into a massive recession, exacerbated by our excessive lockdown, the money needed will not go into our health service. This will lead to poorer outcomes for patients in all disciples, especially outside the large urban hospitals.

Brandishing people with legitimate concerns as parriahs for being "pro economic" is so lazy and weakens all the arguments you are making.

I actually do agree broadly with your points. I think the restrictions are too restrictive. Sorry about having a pop at you earlier. You are correct, patients are the ones that are going to suffer. This thread can be a little frustrating at times.

Hope you are doing alright with the whole hospital situation. It's a weird old time in here.

Deeper Blue · 15-05-2020 02:53PM

So basically for 95% of the population nothing will change for the guts of another month

Joke

boring accountant · 15-05-2020 02:53PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Slight change in plans according to the independent. Homeware stores such as IKEA wont be allowed to open on Monday
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/coronavirus-ireland-homeware-stores-will-not-open-next-week-39209105.html

Someone needs to be fired. Miscommunication during a crisis is a sackable offence in most organisations. It undermines the legitimacy of the decision makers and by extension the lockdown if they chop and change for no reason.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-05-2020 02:54PM

boring accountant wrote: »

Someone needs to be fired. Miscommunication during a crisis is a sackable offence in most organisations. It undermines the legitimacy of the decision makers and by extension the lockdown if they chop and change for no reason.

We are trying to control spread of a pathogen.

That's the reason.

the kelt · 15-05-2020 02:56PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The govt are doing what is best for public health and are being guided by the country's top health experts and are absolutely right not to be guided by the opinions of a tiny minority of cranks who, if they were listened to, would see us back in trouble in short order.

Not being able to visit IKEA is not exactly top of the list of concerns atm.

The plan on every metric has worked but we need to be careful about how we open up and the pace.

So why was it ok to include these stores in phase 1 2 weeks ago but not now?

Not that it matters a jot to me in reality but what metric has changed within the 2 weeks?

batman_oh · 15-05-2020 02:56PM

wakka12 wrote: »

What did they contract it from, their dog? If people stay indoors, there is no infection in the community. Community transmission ends abruptly and everwyhere if people follow the set rules. This has been demonstrated consistently across the world from Wuhan to London to New York. Lockdowns work at stopping widespread community infection. That is not up for debate

Where lockdowns fall down are, what is the point of them as infection will simply just pick up where it stopped off when they end

The UK are basically starting to open up everything again (too early for a lot of it). No border.
We get to zero in 6 months after annihilating the whole country and what - stop everybody from outside the country coming here for the next 2 years?

daithi7 · 15-05-2020 02:56PM

vid36 wrote: »

Germany has a criteria for reimposing lockdowns, if a state has more than 50 new cases per 100,000 population over a 7 day period.

Oh, to get that kind of clarity from our crowd, not a chance.

In fact, they should already have criteria defined & out there for accelerating the end of lockdown.

Put it this way, there's only 4 cases of covid in CUH in Cork, in response to that we're locked down for another 12 weeks, with all private healthcare taken over & being run way below capacity, no electives, no surgeries, scans, tests, schools, state exams, businesses closed, workers being mandated to stay at home, etc, etc....& all this excessive caution costing us an absolute fortune every passing week...... let's get a grip, ... fast, I mean ffs!!

boring accountant · 15-05-2020 02:57PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Homeware stores not allowed to open next week, but hardware stores can. Can someone explain the science behind that one to me?

All of the governments decisions are based on science except when they’re based on gut feeling. And in those cases only heartless bastards would raise an objection to it.

crossman47 · 15-05-2020 02:58PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Unfortunately. We went and got ourselves into a dictatorship, where decision of 1 person affects millions.

They are not his decisions. He gives advice. If the government just rubber stamps them they are abdicating responsibility.

Jim Bob Scratcher · 15-05-2020 02:58PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Unfortunately. We went and got ourselves into a dictatorship, where decision of 1 person affects millions.

Meanwhile after all this is over, Tony and co will be sipping pina colada's, while everyone else will be struggling financially. Absolute ****ing disgrace!

ixoy · 15-05-2020 02:58PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We are trying to control spread of a pathogen.

That's the reason.

Reallllyyy. That doesn't mean people can't wonder about the method in which it's done and why it's so slow when other countries are moving at a faster pace, especially as there's no indications we're about to, or came close to, being overwhelmed.

the kelt · 15-05-2020 03:00PM

ixoy wrote: »

Reallllyyy. That doesn't mean people can't wonder about the method in which it's done and why it's so slow when other countries are moving at a faster pace, especially as there's no indications we're about to, or came close to, being overwhelmed.

Your not allowed question, its science and numbers, just stay at home and dont question!

crossman47 · 15-05-2020 03:01PM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Meanwhile after all this is over, Tony and co will be sipping pina colada's, while everyone else will be struggling financially. Absolute ****ing disgrace!

For Gods sake. He and his colleagues are working night and day on our behalf. You think they find this easy?

Ginger n Lemon · 15-05-2020 03:02PM

the kelt wrote: »

Your not allowed question, its science and numbers, just stay at home and dont question!

Translation : NPHET, Tony & Co made a huge mess of things and are now going to scare monger the 2nd wave of infections and deaths and how opening up too quickly can result in huge death and destruction. That doesnt seem to be happening in any other country on the planet...

With the classic punchline "we've achieved so much, we cant risk to throw it away"

Looney1 · 15-05-2020 03:03PM

A lot of dentists have advertised opening for routine treatment.?????????

Colibri · 15-05-2020 03:03PM

Babak Javid (infectious disease specialist in the UK) said this earlier, it makes a hell of a lot of sense:

I don't want to be putting people at risk but nobody else does. To say otherwise is unfair. Our government got us into this mess.

NegativeCreep · 15-05-2020 03:03PM

ixoy wrote: »

Reallllyyy. That doesn't mean people can't wonder about the method in which it's done and why it's so slow when other countries are moving at a faster pace, especially as there's no indications we're about to, or came close to, being overwhelmed.

No no, you’re not allowed question anything. Just stay home and watch Netflix, collect your €350 and watch the country fall to its knees. Unless you want to kill your granny you heartless b@stard.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-05-2020 03:05PM

ixoy wrote: »

Reallllyyy. That doesn't mean people can't wonder about the method in which it's done and why it's so slow when other countries are moving at a faster pace, especially as there's no indications we're about to, or came close to, being overwhelmed.

Thanks to the measures as has been repeatedly demonstrated in nice graphs for you nightly at the press briefings.

But you don't care about that because it is inconvenient for your distortion of the problems this country faced back in March and early April.

By every metric containment has worked.

boring accountant · 15-05-2020 03:05PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We are trying to control spread of a pathogen.

That's the reason.

That doesn’t justify releasing a supposedly well thought out plan to the public and business and then changing it at the last minute for no particular reason. Although in your mind controlling the spread of a pathogen justifies absolutely everything NPHET says or does even if it contradicts itself.

crossman47 · 15-05-2020 03:07PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Translation : NPHET, Tony & Co made a huge mess of things and are now going to scare monger the 2nd wave of infections and deaths and how opening up too quickly can result in huge death and destruction. That doesnt seem to be happening in any other country on the planet...

With the classic punchline "we've achieved so much, we cant risk to throw it away"

Their "huge mess" has kept the ICU intake under control.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-05-2020 03:08PM

boring accountant wrote: »

That doesn’t justify releasing a supposedly well thought out plan to the public and business and then changing it at the last minute for no particular reason. Although in your mind controlling the spread of a pathogen justifies absolutely everything NPHET says or does even if it contradicts itself.

It was said from the very beginning nothing is set in stone and depends on the data available.

You are pretending to be surprised for sake of argument.

Nothing was set in stone.

Ginger n Lemon · 15-05-2020 03:09PM

crossman47 wrote: »

Their "huge mess" has kept the ICU intake under control.

Social distancing, people not going to social events and much frequent handwash kept ICU under control.

ixoy · 15-05-2020 03:10PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But you don't care about that because it is inconvenient for your distortion of the problems this country faced back in March and early April.

So you're unable to answer the questions people are asking as to why it's a different pace for Ireland when those ICU issues have been sorted? Grand.

Benimar · 15-05-2020 03:10PM

boring accountant wrote: »

That doesn’t justify releasing a supposedly well thought out plan to the public and business and then changing it at the last minute for no particular reason. Although in your mind controlling the spread of a pathogen justifies absolutely everything NPHET says or does even if it contradicts itself.

Would you be saying that if they had decided to open a bit more?

daithi7 · 15-05-2020 03:12PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Social distancing, people not going to social events and much frequent handwash kept ICU under control.

These are the ONLY measures that have been shown to work!!!

Everything else is expensive overkill imho!!

P.s. have a listen to the good professor on this

https://www.newstalk.com/news/exiting-lockdown-priority-expert-1010107

Stark · 15-05-2020 03:13PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Thanks to the measures as has been repeatedly demonstrated in nice graphs for you nightly at the press briefings.

But you don't care about that because it is inconvenient for your distortion of the problems this country faced back in March and early April.

By every metric containment has worked.

No question in my mind that entering lockdown was the right thing to do at the time. Problem is entering lockdown without a good exit strategy. Purpose of lockdown is not to fix the problem, it's to buy time to put sustainable solutions in place.

At the moment I've absolutely no confidence that they're not going to bankrupt us before they have it figured out.

LiquidZeb · 15-05-2020 03:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Oh goody, can't wait for this to be used against me when taking out of context? Guess the sarcasm was missed.

I think it's time to take a break.

batman_oh · 15-05-2020 03:14PM

Benimar wrote: »

Would you be saying that if they had decided to open a bit more?

True, to be honest they should have reduced he 5km back to 2km because I heard when you walk 5km you shoot Covid19 out of your face - killing everybody in a 3km radius.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings