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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #4442
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    L1011 wrote: »
    How about *inside* a garden centre?

    https://www.theorchard.ie/the-cafe/
    https://johnstowngardencentre.ie/garden-cafe/

    and

    https://thegardenhouse.ie/
    https://www.jonesgc.com/

    the list would be very long of cafes located with/within garden centres


  • #4443
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,120 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Onesea wrote: »
    Can anyone explain why the death rate in the US hasn't seen a spike?
    2019 start of year to April 20th total deaths 973,344
    2020 same period total deaths 991,777.
    Hiw many have died due to covid in America?

    You seem determined to play down this virus. Good man, we've all been hoodwinked.

    As of 20th April the US had 40000 reported Covid deaths. Today it's in excess of 87000 with no sign of any downward trend. But, you could have looked this up just as easily yourself.


  • #4444
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Well my city saw an almost 50% reduction in traffic fatalities this March compared to last year due to the lockdown. No bars open means fewer drunk drivers and pedestrians amazingly. Apparently this is a trend across the whole of the US. Not just the drunk people but the reduction in drivers equals not as many accidents.

    Natural causes of death? Cancer, stroke, heart attack, old age. They would mold that figure not road traffic incidents.


  • #4445
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    You seem determined to play down this virus. Good man, we've all been hoodwinked.

    As of 20th April the US had 40000 reported Covid deaths. Today it's in excess of 87000 with no sign of any downward trend. But, you could have loomed this up just as easily yourself.

    It was info from a US politician. Don't worry about the facts... Oh another thing the average age of death is lower than the average death rate from c19.

    So let's keep an eye on the year on year trend. And not take this personally.


  • #4446
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    2.9 million die in the US alone each year. So an Average of 241,666 die per month. We should see a huge spike.. Let's wait and see


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  • #4447
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Onesea wrote: »
    It was info from a US politician. Don't worry about the facts... Oh another thing the average age of death is lower than the average death rate from c19.

    So let's keep an eye on the year on year trend. And not take this personally.

    How about these 'facts' from the UK ?

    bbc-768x540.png


  • #4448
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,120 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Onesea wrote: »
    2.9 million die in the US alone each year. So an Average of 241,666 die per month. We should see a huge spike.. Let's wait and see

    There's a whole thread on the USA and Covid, if you're interested.


  • #4449
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    How about these 'facts' from the UK ?

    bbc-768x540.png

    The end of year figures will be interesting from the UK... No change in total death rate, wait and see.


  • #4450
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Onesea wrote: »
    Can anyone explain why the death rate in the US hasn't seen a spike?
    2019 start of year to April 20th total deaths 973,344
    2020 same period total deaths 991,777.
    Hiw many have died due to covid in America?

    There is a number of issues that you need to account for,
    how many die from infections that they pick up from being admitted to hospitals, that were not being admitted?
    Things like car accidents are down and consequently the fatalities from them.
    Also the lockdowns will have helped prevent other viruses/bacteria spreading not just covid.
    The total number of deaths is largely irrelevant, without breaking it down into causes.


  • #4451
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    There's a whole thread on the USA and Covid, if you're interested.

    Can't really debate the numbers hodge can you.


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  • #4452
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Onesea wrote: »
    The end of year figures will be interesting from the UK... No change in total death rate, wait and see.

    So this is a conspiracy yes? These deaths are not actually happening, that's what I'm reading from your posts?

    Or could you elaborate on your point a but more if I'm misunderstanding you?


  • #4453
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Onesea wrote: »
    The end of year figures will be interesting from the UK... No change in total death rate, wait and see.

    Have you your Nostradamus hat on when making this prediction ?

    The death rate doubled in the UK in mid April !


  • #4454
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    So this is a conspiracy yes? These deaths are not actually happening, that's what I'm reading from your posts?

    Or could you elaborate on your point a but more if I'm misunderstanding you?

    Take what you will from the facts available.


  • #4455
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Onesea wrote: »
    2.9 million die in the US alone each year. So an Average of 241,666 die per month. We should see a huge spike.. Let's wait and see

    Excess mortality in New York City March 11th - May 2nd 2020

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm


  • #4456
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Have you your Nostradamus hat on when making this prediction ?

    The death rate doubled in the UK in mid April !

    I didn't predict anything for the UK


  • #4457
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    uptherebels wrote: »
    There is a number of issues that you need to account for,
    how many die from infections that they pick up from being admitted to hospitals, that were not being admitted?
    Things like car accidents are down and consequently the fatalities from them.
    Also the lockdowns will have helped prevent other viruses/bacteria spreading not just covid.
    The total number of deaths is largely irrelevant, without breaking it down into causes.

    The lockdown also means that for a proportion of the population, the normal dialy stressors of work, commute etc are not present, therefore there has been a massive fall off in heart attacks. The underlying problems are still there so when they do return to work, or the partial blockages become insurmountable and major heart attacks and strokes go up, the consequent death rate will also go up. Coupled with the fact that normal diagnostic procedures such as EKG's, stress tests and angiograms are not routinely been completed in hospital, those that tend to get detected prior to a major issue are now also being missed.
    Then you also have missed cancers and other issues. Long term death rates from other causes may increase


  • #4458
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    According to this between 550K to 620K die per year in the UK , I guess if the deaths dropped off quickly and there wasn't a large second wave then its possible this wouldn't stand out in a long term chart.


    https://www.statista.com/statistics/281488/number-of-deaths-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/

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  • #4459
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    ek motor wrote: »
    Excess mortality in New York City March 11th - May 2nd 2020

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm

    The total figure for the nation from beginning of the year to current date..


  • #4460
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Onesea wrote: »
    I didn't predict anything for the UK

    Here's another to inform you

    Excess mortality across Europe:


    https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps


  • #4461
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Onesea wrote: »
    2.9 million die in the US alone each year. So an Average of 241,666 die per month. We should see a huge spike.. Let's wait and see
    Onesea wrote: »
    Can't really debate the numbers hodge can you.
    Onesea wrote: »
    Take what you will from the facts available.
    ek motor wrote: »
    Excess mortality in New York City March 11th - May 2nd 2020

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm

    How do you like those numbers Onesea?


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  • #4462
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,650 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    ek motor wrote: »
    Excess mortality in New York City March 11th - May 2nd 2020

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm

    Tbf, nowhere in the US has been hit as hard as new York and isn't likely to be at this stage. So it may just balance out over the year with the reduction in deaths due to car accidents etc over the entire country, and also with the majority of deaths being in older people with co morbidities who would unfortunately possibly/probably have died this year anyway. Let's see what happens.


  • #4463
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Onesea wrote: »
    The total figure for the nation from beginning of the year to current date..


    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html


  • #4464
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Tbf, nowhere in the US has been hit as hard as new York and isn't likely to be at this stage. So it may just balance out over the year with the reduction in deaths due to car accidents etc over the entire country.

    The point is that is shows massive excess mortality where there is a serious outbreak of Covid-19.


  • #4465
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Onesea wrote: »
    The end of year figures will be interesting from the UK... No change in total death rate, wait and see.

    Errrm except for the excess deaths for the last month, before countries started lockdown..

    They really are dammed if they do, dammed if they dont aren't they?

    Dont lock down and Health Systems are overloaded, huge spike in excess deaths and the virus gets free reign.

    Lock down and lives are saved the virus is slowed down, more time to reseaarch it and understand and save lives, ICUs can treat people and those who wish to see it that way will say.. 'see the deaths rates werent so bad'

    I mena it was only 2 weeks ago they discovered it was a blood clotting disease.
    Think of the number of lives saved just knowing that alone. Knowing what they need to look for. Slowing it down just to give us time to learn, is a very good idea.

    Join any FB COVID19 support group and you will see people with MILD symtons, still, 3 months later, unable to work, battling the disease. It seems to come in waves, which lessen but takes a LONG time to (if ever) leave the system completely. For some people.. and these are healthy people, no underlying conditions.

    I find it very interesting, the media was ALL for a recession caused by a bank bailiout back when their properties/businesses were threatened and they needed to be Nama'ed, given tax payers money and not go bankrupt.

    But now, when tax payers lives are at stake, its all about herd immunity.

    But here you go.. explain these excess deaths in JUST ONE month..
    These are compared to the average of the last 5 years for the same month..

    What, all these people just upped and died of natural causes last month?

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1260233393838620675


  • #4466
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    How do you like those numbers Onesea?

    A preliminary estimate...

    That's what it links to. Now put on your face mask and leave the house


  • #4467
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,650 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    ek motor wrote: »
    The point is that is shows massive excess mortality where there is a serious outbreak of Covid-19.

    yes, but at the risk of being called heartless etc, it's possible that many of those people would have died this year anyway (older, with underlying conditions etc). So I think its better to wait until the end of the year to see if there is a major spike in total deaths.


  • #4468
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    yes, but at the risk of being called heartless etc, it's possible that many of those people would have died this year anyway (older, with underlying conditions etc). So I think its better to wait until the end of the year to see if there is a major spike in total deaths.

    Why choose to ignore the data in front of us ?


  • #4469
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    yes, but at the risk of being called heartless etc, it's possible that many of those people would have died this year anyway (older, with underlying conditions etc). So I think its better to wait until the end of the year to see if there is a major spike in total deaths.

    But MOST OF THE WORLD is in lockdown, so the numbers at the end of the year will only reflect what happens when we slow down the virus?


  • #4470
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    It's a special type of pandemic. One where people are more concerned about pubs opening, will cruises go ahead, why haven't ryanair given me my money back, when can we travel, will I wear a face mask,

    Oh look a handful of old and already ill have died today.. Stay home stay safe.. I wonder how the food supply chain is coping


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  • #4471
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Onesea wrote: »
    It's a special type of pandemic. One where people are more concerned about pubs opening, will cruises go ahead, why haven't ryanair given me my money back, when can we travel, will I wear a face mask,

    Oh look a handful of old and already ill have died today.. Stay home stay safe.. I wonder how the food supply chain is coping

    Yes it has been mostly older people dying from Covid-19, it doesn't make their lives any less valuable.


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