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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #4352
    Jackman25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Jackman25


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Bit like Kermit who comments here so.

    I reckon the trend graph of his post count per day mirrors the trend graph of the Covid cases per day count.
    Barely seen on the forum these days apart from popping up an odd time to post some doom about South Korean night clubs closing etc.


  • #4353
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Iamabeliever wrote: »
    International*

    I'm sure Tony would love if it was international, his ego would love it.


  • #4354
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why are garden centres allowed to open weeks before the cafés and restaurants? At the end of the day, which is there more demand for - to be able to have a meal or a cup of coffee in a restaurant or café or to be able to buy seeds for dandelions?

    Which can more safely impose social distancing and is generally located in a large building or in the open air?


  • #4355
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why are garden centres allowed to open weeks before the cafés and restaurants? At the end of the day, which is there more demand for - to be able to have a meal or a cup of coffee in a restaurant or café or to be able to buy seeds for dandelions?

    Are you incapable of eating and making coffee at home?


  • #4356
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is that not why there is the requirement for businesses to have social distancing measures to enforce this? A garden centre in Dublin night have 100k within 5k, one in Leitrim night have 10k

    Social distancing measures are not the only ones that reduce the number of people coming into contact with each other - lockdown has been very effective for that.

    The number of cases will likely increase at each stage of reopening, and the current measures are to ensure that we start from as low a base as possible.


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  • #4357
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why are garden centres allowed to open weeks before the cafés and restaurants? At the end of the day, which is there more demand for - to be able to have a meal or a cup of coffee in a restaurant or café or to be able to buy seeds for dandelions?

    Probably because it’s going to be a harsh winter and we should be buying root crop seeds instead of dandelions. That’s phase 7 it’s just not announced yet.


  • #4358
    billybonkers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Very good point by Gordon Browne today

    Gordon Brown, the former UK prime minister, has warned that a second or third wave of coronavirus infection could emanate from poor countries with undeveloped health systems, saying the risks can be controlled only by coordinated international action, writes Harriet Sherwood, for the Guardian’s global development desk.

    The global crisis of the Covid-19 pandemic will not end until it is “eradicated in every continent”, the former prime minister said. In the foreword to a report by the international development charity Christian Aid, he went on:

    It is in all our interests to prevent a second or third wave starting in the poorest, least protected countries with the most underdeveloped health systems. So a threat to others is a threat to us, and we help ourselves by helping others. Protecting ourselves locally means we need to act globally.

    Today we face a global medical emergency, and we cannot end the coronavirus pandemic unless it is eradicated in every continent.


  • #4359
    [Deleted User]
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    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    Social distancing measures are not the only ones that reduce the number of people coming into contact with each other - lockdown has been very effective for that.

    The number of cases will likely increase at each stage of reopening, and the current measures are to ensure that we start from as low a base as possible.

    But by creating two classes of people, those who can access the services and those who can’t, you engender increased resentment in the restrictions and lose credibility. Would be better off allowing people to access these services based on birthday or some other measure. Odd days Monday wed Friday, Sunday, evens Tuesday Thursday Saturday and switching the following week


  • #4360
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    The government was right to warn that reopening would be divisive, as the gardeners, golfers, tennis players, DIYers, foodies etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. seek to make their case.


  • #4361
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    The government was right to warn that reopening would be divisive, as the gardeners, golfers, tennis players, DIYers, foodies etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. seek to make their case.

    I think that was in the context of one sector opening before another, rather than removing a restriction for one person and not another simply based on where they live. That won’t fly and will risk creating revolt and less adherence in general.


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  • #4362
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭political analyst


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Are you incapable of eating and making coffee at home?

    That's beside the point. Being stuck at home is getting very tedious.


  • #4363
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Which can more safely impose social distancing and is generally located in a large building or in the open air?

    So why not trust café and restaurant owners to uphold social distancing on their premises - like in Sweden?


  • #4364
    political analyst
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Probably because it’s going to be a harsh winter and we should be buying root crop seeds instead of dandelions. That’s phase 7 it’s just not announced yet.

    I get your sarcasm - I was only using dandelions as an example of flowers for which seeds are sold by garden centres (and I know that supermarkets also sell those seeds).


  • #4365
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,116 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    political analyst wrote: »
    I get your sarcasm - I was only using dandelions as an example of flowers for which seeds are sold by garden centres (and I know that supermarkets also sell those seeds).

    Off topic but who on earth sells or would buy dandelion seeds? :confused:


  • #4366
    [Deleted User]
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Off topic but who on earth sells or would buy dandelion seeds? :confused:

    Definitely no shortage around here. Within 500 meters there are fields full of dandelions gone to seed


  • #4367
    political analyst
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    As far as I know, there is no café or restaurant immediately next door to a garden centre in Ireland. So I don't believe letting cafés and restaurant fully open at the same time as garden centres would make any difference to the R number.


  • #4368
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    political analyst wrote: »
    As far as I know, there is no café or restaurant immediately next door to a garden centre in Ireland. So I don't believe letting cafés and restaurant fully open at the same time as garden centres would make any difference to the R number.

    Malahide comes to mind, they actually have a cafe/restaurant in the centre.


  • #4369
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Definitely no shortage around here. Within 500 meters there are fields full of dandelions gone to seed

    I believe the correct Latin / technical name for them is ‘piss the beds’. Well someone could be trying to start an eco dandelion tea business.

    P.S never pick them or you will pee the bed.


  • #4370
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,116 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    political analyst wrote: »
    As far as I know, there is no café or restaurant immediately next door to a garden centre in Ireland. So I don't believe letting cafés and restaurant fully open at the same time as garden centres would make any difference to the R number.

    Café in a garden centre very near here. The café part isn't opening yet though.


  • #4371
    [Deleted User]
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I believe the correct Latin / technical name for them is ‘piss the beds’. Well someone could be trying to start an eco dandelion tea business.

    P.S never pick them or you will pee the bed.

    Not unless you are eating them


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  • #4372
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,161 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Katherine Zappone on Prime Time.

    She's not great tbh.


  • #4373
    Ce he sin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Ce he sin


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I believe the correct Latin / technical name for them is ‘piss the beds’. Well someone could be trying to start an eco dandelion tea business.

    P.S never pick them or you will pee the bed.


    French, pissenlit.
    They're edible and are commonly eaten in some places. Not sure about the bed impact of this.


  • #4374
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,205 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Arghus wrote: »
    Katherine Zappone on Prime Time.

    She's not great tbh.


    She's not even an elected TD to be fairer, she should be replaced by an elected TD.


  • #4375
    Glenomra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    political analyst wrote: »
    As far as I know, there is no café or restaurant immediately next door to a garden centre in Ireland. So I don't believe letting cafés and restaurant fully open at the same time as garden centres would make any difference to the R number.
    Kilcolgan garden centre outside galway has a lovely centre and restaurant.


  • #4376
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Arghus wrote: »
    Katherine Zappone on Prime Time.

    She's not great tbh.
    You're a master of understatement!


  • #4377
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    Zappone is one of the worst ministers in the history of the state. How she was elected years ago is baffling.

    Can't wait till shes gone with the likes of Doherty and Ross.


  • #4378
    hotmail.com
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    ricero wrote: »
    Zappone is one of the worst ministers in the history of the state. How she was elected years ago is baffling.

    Can't wait till shes gone with the likes of Doherty and Ross.

    She was never reelected. She got in in 2016 and dumped out in February.


  • #4379
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,802 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    I don't understand.

    If 5km is for exercise only, and all other travel is essential only, then what good is allowing garden centers to open?

    Anyone within 5km can't walk there is going inside one isnt exercise, and anyone driving there it wouldn't be considered essential?

    You do know people love within 5k of garden centres, yeah? So they can go to the garden centre. What’s not to understand? Garden centres are not essential. If you need some plant or compost most garages and supermarkets have them now.


  • #4380
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Has it come out which hospital delayed releasing the details?

    This is illegal. Is there any consequences for hospital management?


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  • #4381
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    fullstop wrote: »
    You do know people love within 5k of garden centres, yeah? So they can go to the garden centre. What’s not to understand? Garden centres are not essential. If you need some plant or compost most garages and supermarkets have them now.

    If a business is deemed acceptable to open, access to those businesses cannot be based on where you live. Support for the necessary restrictions is based on the understanding that we are are all in this together. If you develop a situation where there are differences purely based on where you live the consent of the people to the measures will slip and we could lose a lot of the gains we have


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