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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #4292
    poppers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭poppers


    Looney1 wrote: »
    Any idea where???

    Rte repoted Rosdearra in ofaly had 60 positive tests
    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1138392/


  • #4293
    Iamabeliever
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭Iamabeliever


    Benimar wrote: »
    That’s not correct. The stay at home restriction remains in place, which means you should only go out for exercise (within 5k) or ESSENTIAL journeys (no limit).

    All non essential journeys, of which a trip to a garden centre would be one, are to be avoided.

    All per the document published last Friday week, so may change tomorrow.

    Why would it change?


  • #4294
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Benimar wrote: »
    That’s not correct. The stay at home restriction remains in place, which means you should only go out for exercise (within 5k) or ESSENTIAL journeys (no limit).

    All non essential journeys, of which a trip to a garden centre would be one, are to be avoided.

    All per the document published last Friday week, so may change tomorrow.

    This makes no sense. The only activity to which the 5km applies is exercise, so lets park that seeing as going to the garden centre is not exercise.

    So there is no travel limit for other activities. If the garden centre is open, and legally so, why is it open if people aren't allowed to leave their house to go there?


  • #4295
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,160 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I think Paul Cullen is actually a semi-decent reporter - his articles in the Irish Times are quite good and fair - but, man, his tone when asking questions is so smackable. Passive aggressive, constantly looking for a gotcha moment and waiting for people to slip up.


  • #4296
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,093 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Any word on what hospital the spike in cases is from. It must be a big hospital because it's a lot of cases and they all were staff.

    Is the majority of today's 426 from a hospital, do we know where?
    https://forumofgames.com/




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  • #4297
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    marno21 wrote: »
    This makes no sense. The only activity to which the 5km applies is exercise, so lets park that seeing as going to the garden centre is not exercise.

    So there is no travel limit for other activities. If the garden centre is open, and legally so, why is it open if people aren't allowed to leave their house to go there?

    Like the shops, there would be no travel limit on garden centres, but you would be expected to go to the one nearest your home if possible.


  • #4298
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,093 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Any word on what hospital the spike in cases is from. It must be a big hospital because it's a lot of cases and they all were staff.

    Is the majority of today's 426 from a hospital, do we know where?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #4299
    Paddygreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    marno21 wrote: »
    No. 5km is for exercise only.

    I have noticed a big upswing of outsiders around my estate today. I usually challenge them from my landing window saying things like..”I know you are not from a 5km radius of this estate” “I’m watching you” “stay within your own exercise circle” “hon away with ye” etc. there is a large green area adjacent to my private estate that is being taken advantage of.


  • #4300
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,111 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    marno21 wrote: »
    This makes no sense. The only activity to which the 5km applies is exercise, so lets park that seeing as going to the garden centre is not exercise.

    So there is no travel limit for other activities. If the garden centre is open, and legally so, why is it open if people aren't allowed to leave their house to go there?

    It's the other way round. Travel outside the 5km is only for work, food, medical reasons and other essential travel: not for a garden centre, golf course etc.


  • #4301
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,129 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    marno21 wrote: »
    This makes no sense. The only activity to which the 5km applies is exercise, so lets park that seeing as going to the garden centre is not exercise.

    So there is no travel limit for other activities. If the garden centre is open, and legally so, why is it open if people aren't allowed to leave their house to go there?
    Because there's still a stay at home order.
    5km is for exercise/leisure. Other trips allowed are for essential trips.
    Garden centre is not an essential trip. Therefore the 5km limit applies


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  • #4302
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,129 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Like the shops, there would be no travel limit on garden centres, but you would be expected to go to the one nearest your home if possible.
    Incorrect, see above


  • #4303
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah we had the testing backlog and the German numbers and we were told not to worry as have occurred in the past and not representative of the trend. now we have the hospital backlog numbers and same message.

    In fairness I’m glad to see an organisation hold their hands up and admit a mistake. Better than covering it up.
    Oh yeah I'm glad they added them in and didn't just say oh well they're old cases let's leave them out nobody needs to know.

    But someone will take the fall for that be it at local level or HSE


  • #4304
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Like the shops, there would be no travel limit on garden centres, but you would be expected to go to the one nearest your home if possible.

    ELM327 wrote: »
    Because there's still a stay at home order.
    5km is for exercise/leisure. Other trips allowed are for essential trips.
    Garden centre is not an essential trip. Therefore the 5km limit applies

    It's a tad strange alright, that they will be allowed open, but only people living near can go into them. I had though the logic of allowing open was aligned with them being included in places you could go beyond 5km for (ie pseudo essential status).


  • #4305
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Iamabeliever wrote: »
    Why would it change?

    Because, as Leo said, it’s at living document, so is subject to change.

    I don’t think Phase 1 will change, but that’s just a personal view.


  • #4306
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,649 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    I have noticed a big upswing of outsiders around my estate today. I usually challenge them from my landing window saying things like..”I know you are not from a 5km radius of this estate” “I’m watching you” “stay within your own exercise circle” “hon away with ye” etc. there is a large green area adjacent to my private estate that is being taken advantage of.

    Not sure if youre joking or not. I'd hope so but this behaviour is entirely possible and even ecouraged these days it seems do you never know lol


  • #4307
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    It's a tad strange alright, that they will be allowed open, but only people living near can go into them. I had though the logic of allowing open was aligned with them being included in places you could go beyond 5km for (ie pseudo essential status).
    Probably the retention of distance limit for non-essential travel is to facilitate easier and faster contact tracing by limiting widely spaced random contacts.


  • #4308
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Benimar wrote: »
    Because, as Leo said, it’s at living document, so is subject to change.

    I don’t think Phase 1 will change, but that’s just a personal view.

    You’d hope he’d lash something ****e in from phase 2 to give people a little something.


  • #4309
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    You’d hope he’d lash something ****e in from phase 2 to give people a little something.

    Increasing to 20kms would be a huge bonus for Monday


  • #4310
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    bekker wrote: »
    Probably the retention of distance limit for non-essential travel is to facilitate easier and faster contact tracing by limiting widely spaced random contacts.

    Would also be so the entire population of Dublin doesn’t descend on Ikea on Monday. “But they can’t police that!” They shouldn’t bloody have to police it, it needs self-policing, which prob won’t work anyway.

    Leo needs to somehow get that message out, just because we’re saying you can go to the garden centre, doesn’t mean it’s 100% safe, keep up the hand washing/distancing etc.


  • #4311
    el Fenomeno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    I don't understand.

    If 5km is for exercise only, and all other travel is essential only, then what good is allowing garden centers to open?

    Anyone within 5km can't walk there is going inside one isnt exercise, and anyone driving there it wouldn't be considered essential?


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  • #4312
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    babybuilder wrote: »
    "He" , good man. We'll see how good the HSE testing and tracking system is in a couple of months when the virus pays us a return visit.

    What will your excuse be when it’s under 200 tomorrow?


  • #4313
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Redo91 wrote: »
    Funny reading back on all the comments blaming the high number of “new” cases on people being out and about! When they announced a spike like that there was always going to be a logical explanation.

    I think some people on here want to see an increase in numbers. It’s a bit sad really.

    Or locked up indefinately.


  • #4314
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/world/2020/05/out-of-control-coronavirus-may-render-brazilians-banned-from-entering-other-countries.shtml

    Brazilians may be banned from entering the European Union as the crisis escalates in the country with no plans to control it in sight, the R0 in Brazil is estimated to be 2 currently meaning growth is exponential


  • #4315
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Arghus wrote: »
    It's frustrating to listen to them. It's their instinct to look for where there's a story, where there can be some potential conflict stoked up - and they often, even mostly, don't ask about the actually important stuff or question what genuinely needs questioning.

    On a slightly different note: David Quinn hasn't a clue.

    Agreed. I'd say mention of maximum likelihood estimation techniques has left him scratching his head.


  • #4316
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,132 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Beasty wrote: »
    I think that "delayed/missed" reporting highlights just how chaotic things were in the early days (and that is extensively evidenced in the early threads here). I would guess that in the hospital it was a case that everyone thought someone else was responsible. At the centre they were rushing to make sense of all the numbers they were getting. Repeatedly in the daily briefings it was clear there were gaps and inconsistencies in the ways figures were being reported.

    I'm a lot happier now, but they were a bit like rabbits being caught in the headlights when this all kicked off
    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah we had the testing backlog and the German numbers and we were told not to worry as have occurred in the past and not representative of the trend. now we have the hospital backlog numbers and same message.

    In fairness I’m glad to see an organisation hold their hands up and admit a mistake. Better than covering it up.

    Considering that delayed reporting of cases hasn't been a once-off thing, what I'm now wondering is, how can we be sure that it won't happen again, i.e. how do we know that we don't actually have more confirmed positive cases than have been officially disclosed?


  • #4317
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    marno21 wrote: »
    This makes no sense. The only activity to which the 5km applies is exercise

    When Varradkar did his speech about the 5k, he said you can go for a 5k drive not just exercise.


  • #4318
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Arghus wrote: »
    I think Paul Cullen is actually a semi-decent reporter - his articles in the Irish Times are quite good and fair - but, man, his tone when asking questions is so smackable. Passive aggressive, constantly looking for a gotcha moment and waiting for people to slip up.

    I don't watch every night but, when I do, my opinion of journalists falls further. Mention of an united testing regime had the guy from the Examiner asking if it was disunited before. Did he really think they'd give him a headline out of that


  • #4319
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    You’d hope he’d lash something ****e in from phase 2 to give people a little something.

    I don’t get this. The ‘little something’ is called Phase 1!


  • #4320
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    New Home wrote: »
    Considering that delayed reporting of cases hasn't been a once-off thing, what I'm now wondering is, how can we be sure that it won't happen again, i.e. how do we know that we don't actually have more confirmed positive cases than have been officially disclosed?


    It is a bit strange. I can’t help think that it’s not a coincidence with the publication of those letter. I think Paul Reid understands that it’s better to be straight with the public regarding short comings and working towards doing better. Saying we are going to do 100k tests might buy you a few days good press but when it transpires that there was no way to process those test the damage to credibility and trust is much greater.


    Definition of metrics provides ample room for manoeuvre.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tensions-between-officials-over-covid-19-testing-plan-laid-bare-in-letters-1.4253559?mode=amp


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  • #4321
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,111 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    When Varradkar did his speech about the 5k, he said you can go for a 5k drive not just exercise.

    Yet again! That was in reference solely to cocooners taking a 5km drive.


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