Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Post would have been good apart from all the attacks on every other party. Would you not leave it out and just discuss Sinn Fein. It is really annoying because you don't need it. Is it too much to ask?

So lets look at the numbers first. You have concentrated on housing, one of the issues in this country but this seems to be the focus from Sinn Fein. So a 1,500 tax credit. 279 million, no idea if that is available in budget or not. Not much detail in manifesto of where the money is coming from.

The 100,000 houses is bulls**t. It's taking 50,000 houses already been built and then saying they will build another 50,000. Even the model they propose for the 50,000 houses is untested in large number and really based on a lot of fantasy. Most of the numbers would be at best "back of the fag box" which zero overhead included. No project in the World, especially building will not hit issues. It's not like builders will offer them fixed prices. So the whole housing manifesto is a big lie. If they at least turned around and said best case it is X but in reality it will cost Y they might get some credit. But the numbers they have are unachievable.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/election-2020-is-sinn-f%C3%A9in-s-housing-policy-credible-1.4163859

So then we move to the rent freeze. Which just seems to be a blanket rent freeze across the entire sector. No thought again gone into this. Not everywhere in Ireland is Dublin. You have landlords at the moment who are under the mortgage repayment and have tenants in place. They are suddenly hit with a freeze? they will have to sell up.

You also have more and more health and safety requirements been driven into landlord. A majority of them are not important but come at a huge cost. This is just another kick in the teeth for the landlord. What Sinn Fein does not realise if every landlord in Ireland is not a multi millionaire, a lot of these guys are struggling. All this will do is drive these landlord out of the market and create more issues. Again this looks like something they came up with down the pub. No thought gone into it.

Read the manifesto, it is all stuff you could come up with down the pub with the lads. Nothing has any back up details. No "what if". This shows the had no interest in it, Sinn Fen expected to get another hammering at the polls.

You and other Sinn Fein voter keep going back to young people voted for Sinn Fein because of XYZ. No they didn't, just look at the type of politician got voted in, ask on the street now about the Sinn Fein Manifesto and majority never read it or have any intention of reading it. They voted Sinn Fein as a protest. Simple as that. This should be Sinn Fein time, but from my position they know the manifesto is unachievable so instead of pushing to get into government and then not been able to deliver. They are hiding in the long grass and then waiting till someone else gets into power. In this scenario they never have to answer how they would deliver their manifesto but they can continue to point towards a document which was never achievable.

I also disagree with the no track record, Sinn Fein have been in power sharing in the North. I know Sinn Fein won't be using it as a reference but that is the current track record. Which to be honest, has been an absolute disaster, so another reason why you should stop pointing fingers

Maybe you disagree? of course respond. This time maybe stick to Sinn Fein and quit with the guff about the other parties

Bowie wrote: »

As regards:



SF have a track record down south. You just need look at policies they supported or argued against. That will give you something to go on.
Then you have their election manifesto.
Going out of the jurisdiction and looking at a completely different form of governing isn't comparable. Personally I think the whole Stormont/westminister set up is a bit of a sh*t show.
I give SF a nod because the say they intend to stop throwing money at the private market to tackle the housing crisis and intend to build more social and affordable. That's enough for me to give them a vote.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ah, you are bored now, because you got a list of achievments and cannot refute them only pretend they never happened because you cannot find them on Goggle.
You gloss over another poster's link and carry on denying.

Very good, have at it.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SF's is included in that.
If you are choosing party based on manifesto's, you get what you deserve.
It's 'sales' talk for the naïve.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

None of are.
Labour's was the only one that was close to credible according to the Dept of Finance.
That says a lot about how we do politics.
If you want to con yourself go right ahead.

jm08 wrote: »

When you say 100,000 is not achievable. Is the 50,000 that FG promise achievable?


I think that the County Councils have to start building more houses like in the past and the rent/sale money from these houses reinvested in housing.


FG & FF's policy isn't delivering sustainable housing into the future.

Bowie wrote: »

Says you. I didn't vote for their manifesto. Hadn't read it. Still haven't. Housing is a massive issue and I like what they and others intend to try to accomplish.
You talk in absolutes. If it's partially achievable or even if it isn't at all, I like building more social and affordable over pandering to vulture funds. Some headway in the right direction is better than continuing in the wrong direction.
I don't know how much is achievable but the direction is sound IMO.
I'd go so far as to say if the current, (pre pandemic) policies were halted and of government did nothing, it would be an improvement on making matters worse year on year.
Where do you stand? Do you feel record breaking crises year on year is something we need to keep?
Other parties are for reference as they compare to each other in relation to SF of course.