FrancieBrady wrote: » I actually think, given they are dealing with one of the most fundamentalist and culturally bigoted parties in western Europe in Northern Ireland that they have done spectacularly well. They spent 20 years advancing NI back to normality (other parties were involved in what is technically a 5 party coalition as well) and they have delivered (even though they had to walk away) for Irish language SSM and womens's right, they have worked hard at normalising parades, the flying of flags. They have worked at creating and monitoring a newly structured police force ALL the people can have some confidence in. And most recently have aligned North and South on Brexit and Covid. They were talking about special status and treatment of NI in Brexit long before the government here were and spoke on it in the Dáíl and Europe.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » SF may or may not succeed in fixing the stagflation issue, but at least they want to.
If you've read this post, and are still confused as to what SF's supporters find so good about their current policies, then I'm honestly curious - which part of this analysis is falling down for you? Are you disputing (a) that people are being seriously, seriously hurt by the current clusterf*ck that is the Irish rental situation, that (b) none of the other parties have either the ideology or the credibility to convince anyone that they'll make an honest attempt to fix that problem, or that (c) Sinn Fein have claimed that they'll make an honest attempt to fix it and don't have the credibility vacuum that FF does? Is there some other reason for discounting this explanation?
but I'd love it if someone chose the specific parts they don't believe are true before the next "but why vote for SF?" post comes along, and actually offered some kind of rebuttal.
To summarise briefly, young people are being utterly f*cked over
Redgirl82 wrote: » Sorry I have googled, looked around and nothing is listed. So based on all news media this is just made up list of things. So why didn't you say that in first place? Best you could come up with is an imaginary list, after all of your posts. Fairly poor showing from Sinn Fein up the North. Remind me why are you voting for them again?
FrancieBrady wrote: » So Redgirl has about 5 or 6 million to spend.
Redgirl82 wrote: » As I posted the main issue I see is non payment of rent, why waste more money Building house to give to people who have no intention of paying rent? Fix the current system first The concentration should be on affordable housing and fix the public transport so people can live outside main cities.
jm08 wrote: » I wouldn't evict them all. Just to use it as a threat to sort those out who are acting the micky.
FrancieBrady wrote: » 40% of those in arrears are paying...if you start evicting them you get nothing only the costs of evicting them and then you create more homeless people. So, the 33m figure starts diminishing very quickly...lets say you manage to get 20m....so to meet the SF proposed spend, you only have to get another 5.475 billion approx. A child would know this is not a solution.
jm08 wrote: » Well what about actually doing something about collecting rent like evicting people if they don't. Found some info on Dublin City Council about this:https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-city-council-5-4956180-Jan2020/ Looks like they need some proper legislation to deal with this such as taking rent money directly from social welfare payments and Eviction Legislation. From what I read, some tenants are trying it on because they think they can get away with it. Still, there are plenty of families who are now living in hotel bedrooms who would be only too happy to rent a corporation house at a reasonable rate. All those rent supplements cost money as well!
jm08 wrote: » So what are the figures for non-payment of rents?
jm08 wrote: » I only want to make the point that I think there needs to be a change in direction of housing policy back to the State/Co Council directly involved in building and providing social housing.
Redgirl82 wrote: » Personally, well first off I would go after all the people sitting in council houses not paying rent. Would you not think that is a good policy? free up millions to build more houses
FrancieBrady wrote: » Somebody died for glossy sales brouchures and auction politics?
Redgirl82 wrote: » Do I have to mention again this is the Sinn Fein thread...
Redgirl82 wrote: » Great to see the people of Ireland have such consideration for the privileged that many Irish died to get them
Bowie wrote: » Says you. I didn't vote for their manifesto. Hadn't read it. Still haven't. Housing is a massive issue and I like what they and others intend to try to accomplish. You talk in absolutes. If it's partially achievable or even if it isn't at all, I like building more social and affordable over pandering to vulture funds. Some headway in the right direction is better than continuing in the wrong direction. I don't know how much is achievable but the direction is sound IMO. I'd go so far as to say if the current, (pre pandemic) policies were halted and of government did nothing, it would be an improvement on making matters worse year on year. Where do you stand? Do you feel record breaking crises year on year is something we need to keep? Other parties are for reference as they compare to each other in relation to SF of course.
Redgirl82 wrote: » Do I have to mention again this is the Sinn Fein thread, want to discuss Labour maybe discuss it on the Labour thread.
FrancieBrady wrote: » None of are. Labour's was the only one that was close to credible according to the Dept of Finance. That says a lot about how we do politics. If you want to con yourself go right ahead.
jm08 wrote: » When you say 100,000 is not achievable. Is the 50,000 that FG promise achievable? I think that the County Councils have to start building more houses like in the past and the rent/sale money from these houses reinvested in housing. FG & FF's policy isn't delivering sustainable housing into the future.
Redgirl82 wrote: » But the housing section in the Sinn Fein manifesto is not achievable, this was pointed out by plenty of people. So why would you vote for something which wasn't worth the paper it was written on?
Redgirl82 wrote: » So you agree the Sinn Fein manifesto wasn't worth the paper it was written on?
FrancieBrady wrote: » SF's is included in that. If you are choosing party based on manifesto's, you get what you deserve. It's 'sales' talk for the naïve.
Redgirl82 wrote: » Did I ask about other people manifesto's? Sinn Fein thread. Thanks
atticu wrote: » I would love to know. I have not read anything in the papers about their progress.The people voted for change, SF now need to deliver on their campaign promise.
FrancieBrady wrote: » There hasn't been a manifesto seen through since the foundation of the state. They have been completely devalued by the power swap parties. Worse than estate agents glossy brouchures.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Ah, you are bored now, because you got a list of achievments and cannot refute them only pretend they never happened because you cannot find them on Goggle. You gloss over another poster's link and carry on denying. Very good, have at it.
Bowie wrote: » As regards: SF have a track record down south. You just need look at policies they supported or argued against. That will give you something to go on. Then you have their election manifesto. Going out of the jurisdiction and looking at a completely different form of governing isn't comparable. Personally I think the whole Stormont/westminister set up is a bit of a sh*t show. I give SF a nod because the say they intend to stop throwing money at the private market to tackle the housing crisis and intend to build more social and affordable. That's enough for me to give them a vote.
Mortelaro wrote: » What did he lie about exactly and has the Dáil record been corrected to remove this lie ?
Sinn Féin do not set the welfare rates. They are set in Westminster, as I pointed out during the exchange.
Bowie wrote: » Last I heard was PBP sending the letter. Like the SD's, I'd rather a party picked partners that suit than just trying to obtain power. I think PBP and SF would be a match.
