Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

14-05-2020 03:24PM

paddythere wrote: »

Where would all these masks come from? I cant seem to find any anywhere except for the price gouging ones on Amazon which probably wouldn't even arrive

Tons of them on sale in my Dublin south side Suburban chemist.

peterofthebr · 14-05-2020 03:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Tons of them on sale in my Dublin south side Suburban chemist.

if there made in china... the quality may be bogus...
"Europe suspends delivery of 10m faulty Chinese face masks" - theguardian

Stormyteacup · 14-05-2020 03:30PM

s1ippy wrote: »

It's currently believed to be at that level but as soon as the public starts mixing the full extent of community transmission will be more easily seen. Provided we have the capacity to test and trace, which we still don't. So I dunno what you're so chipper about really.

Hardly chipper - despairing maybe.

We’ve been given figures with a specific spin on them for over two months.

How about giving us a report on daily numbers of hospital and ICU admissions for the past three weeks?

Would paint a clearer picture than running totals of deaths and infections.

eagle eye · 14-05-2020 03:32PM

batman_oh wrote:

And you aren't going to have a quarantine for people entering the country so what do you propose - Stage 1 (which is absolutely f..k all change anyway) from December 2021? It might be gone from everywhere by then all we will all be living on the streets with no economy or health care system.

The one thing worse than staying in lockdown is having to shutdown again as far as the economy goes.

Sofa King Great · 14-05-2020 03:35PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Is this true? Has it been picked up by the media? How is it not front page news?

Jesus wept - average of 15 admissions per day and 1-2 in ICU (70% approx of which will recover).

Well done NPHET and our pitifully weak government - really did a number on general public. Good luck trying to get anyone indoors together any time soon after the epic scaremongering achieved.

Ridiculous level of damage done to society and economy, and foolish to think they can undo the fear as easily as they generated it.

Can you not see that the numbers are this low BECAUSE of the measures that were put in place?

hmmm · 14-05-2020 03:35PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Jesus wept - average of 15 admissions per day and 1-2 in ICU (70% approx of which will recover).

Well done NPHET and our pitifully weak government - really did a number on general public. Good luck trying to get anyone indoors together any time soon after the epic scaremongering achieved.

It's good news because we've worked hard to keep the numbers down, so hopefully our hard work will pay off.

You seem to be spinning this as if the virus is insignificant - this is only the case because the Irish people have done their bit to reduce the chances of it spreading.

Stheno · 14-05-2020 03:35PM

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1260940898273243143?s=19

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1260940998882004992?s=19

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1260941064355143683?s=19

HSE not happy with NPHET

hmmm · 14-05-2020 03:35PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

How about giving us a report on daily numbers of hospital and ICU admissions for the past three weeks?

Would paint a clearer picture than running totals of deaths and infections.

The HSE publishes these figures every evening.

yourdeadwright · 14-05-2020 03:42PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Is this true? Has it been picked up by the media? How is it not front page news?

Jesus wept - average of 15 admissions per day and 1-2 in ICU (70% approx of which will recover).

Well done NPHET and our pitifully weak government - really did a number on general public. Good luck trying to get anyone indoors together any time soon after the epic scaremongering achieved.

Ridiculous level of damage done to society and economy, and foolish to think they can undo the fear as easily as they generated it.

Don't forget number are like this BECAUSE of the actions taken ,

Plus if they are so low imagine if we all stick to what we are doing where they will be in two weeks,

The issue is once Airports start opening full scale you know some Fu*ker will arrive and kick it all off again ,

wakka12 · 14-05-2020 03:45PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Is this true? Has it been picked up by the media? How is it not front page news?

Jesus wept - average of 15 admissions per day and 1-2 in ICU (70% approx of which will recover).

Well done NPHET and our pitifully weak government - really did a number on general public. Good luck trying to get anyone indoors together any time soon after the epic scaremongering achieved.

Ridiculous level of damage done to society and economy, and foolish to think they can undo the fear as easily as they generated it.

Do you know that R0 is not a static figure? It is 0.6 now because of social distancing. If we went back to normal life right this second the R0 will be right back to 2.5 by tomorrow morning, and the ICU figures then reflect those changes

There wont be any big groups indoors together for a long time regardless. Anyway Brazil and Mexico over the next few weeks will act as a suitable case studies from which we can gather whether lockdown 'do as much damage' as the virus if left uncontrolled, certainly is not looking to be the case

Stormyteacup · 14-05-2020 03:51PM

Sofa King Great wrote: »

Can you not see that the numbers are this low BECAUSE of the measures that were put in place?

Fair enough measures were necessary suppress infections and protect health system, but keeping measures in place while numbers are so low?

With roadmap being so drawn out could we not see these numbers reported in the headlines instead of digging through websites to find them?

An Ciarraioch · 14-05-2020 03:52PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Don't forget number are like this BECAUSE of the actions taken ,

Plus if they are so low imagine if we all stick to what we are doing where they will be in two weeks,

The issue is once Airports start opening full scale you know some Fu*ker will arrive and kick it all off again ,

Indeed - a month ago, there were 160 Covid patients in ICU, so you'd probably have been looking at double that now without a lockdown, instead of which we are currently at 60.

An Ciarraioch · 14-05-2020 03:53PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Fair enough measures were necessary suppress infections and protect health system, but keeping measures in place while numbers are so low?

With roadmap being so drawn out could we not see these numbers reported in the headlines instead of digging through websites to find them?

Gavan Reilly generally tweets the updated daily figures first thing every morning:

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1260869351672070145

crossman47 · 14-05-2020 03:58PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Is this true? Has it been picked up by the media? How is it not front page news?

Jesus wept - average of 15 admissions per day and 1-2 in ICU (70% approx of which will recover).

Well done NPHET and our pitifully weak government - really did a number on general public. Good luck trying to get anyone indoors together any time soon after the epic scaremongering achieved.

Ridiculous level of damage done to society and economy, and foolish to think they can undo the fear as easily as they generated it.

What are you on about? Its come down because of the measures they took.

Stormyteacup · 14-05-2020 04:00PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Do you know that R0 is not a static figure? It is 0.6 now because of social distancing. If we went back to normal life right this second the R0 will be right back to 2.5 by tomorrow morning, and the ICU figures then reflect those changes

There wont be any big groups indoors together for a long time regardless. Anyway Brazil and Mexico over the next few weeks will act as a suitable case studies from which we can gather whether lockdown 'do as much damage' as the virus if left uncontrolled, certainly is not looking to be the case

Because of social distancing? Virus is as controlled as it can be at the moment, the only way to keep it like this is to keep restrictions in place for months.

Social distancing will continue - that’s a given. We were led to believe that lots of people in parks and at beaches would cause a surge. We were chastised for it but when the spike in infections didn’t come, we are now told we did a great job.

Stormyteacup · 14-05-2020 04:03PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Gavan Reilly generally tweets the updated daily figures first thing every morning:

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1260869351672070145

How many admitted to hospital or ICU confirmed positive per day each day last week? Maybe that info is somewhere - not somewhere easily found though.

Tony EH · 14-05-2020 04:04PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Yes but does this warrant holding whole country locked up? We certainly can not afford it. Let the nature take the course.
There is a term for that. Natural selection.

You wouldn't be so nonchalant if nature was taking it's course all over your family.

Let nature take its course.

FFS. :rolleyes:

An Ciarraioch · 14-05-2020 04:08PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Because of social distancing? Virus is as controlled as it can be at the moment, the only way to keep it like this is to keep restrictions in place for months.

Social distancing will continue - that’s a given. We were led to believe that lots of people in parks and at beaches would cause a surge. We were chastised for it but when the spike in infections didn’t come, we are now told we did a great job.

Not necessarily - the percentage of patients recovered has gone from 78% to 84% in a single week. Opening up garden centres and hardware stores, where there is ample space for social distancing shouldn't greatly affect the R number, nor should libraries, so in Phase 1 and Phase 2 at least, the level of recoveries should be as close to 100% (allowing for deaths) as makes minimal difference.

crossman47 · 14-05-2020 04:09PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Not necessarily - the percentage of patients recovered has gone from 78% to 84% in a single week. Opening up garden centres and hardware stores, where there is ample space for social distancing shouldn't greatly affect the R number, nor should libraries, so in Phase 1 and Phase 2 at least, the level of recoveries should be as close to 100% (allowing for deaths) as makes minimal difference.

Thats in the expectation people will obey social distancing. They won't.

Stormyteacup · 14-05-2020 04:10PM

crossman47 wrote: »

What are you on about? Its come down because of the measures they took.

Yes agreed but how low does it need to go? And for how long?

Maybe it might help to restart the economy if people understood their criteria instead of keeping them out of the public arena. We are now left with a society filled with fear that don’t want to send their children to school.

Azatadine · 14-05-2020 04:10PM

Jesus Christ. Ivan on his tirade again. He never stops!!

14-05-2020 04:11PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Because of social distancing? Virus is as controlled as it can be at the moment, the only way to keep it like this is to keep restrictions in place for months.

Social distancing will continue - that’s a given. We were led to believe that lots of people in parks and at beaches would cause a surge. We were chastised for it but when the spike in infections didn’t come, we are now told we did a great job.

Social distancing will continue to an extent in that indoor places that concentrate people into crowds will remain closed, and thus physically prohibit some closeness. Social distancing outside, and in private dwellings has a very short shelf life.....we are a sociable species and by August, irrespective of what we are told re. social distancing, we will be gathering in parks and beaches and hugging each other and, if you haven't for a while, hooking up

DevilsHaircut · 14-05-2020 04:14PM

The Centre for Mathematical Modelling of Infectious Diseases is estimating the actual number of symptomatic cases by extrapolating from the CFR.

It's updated daily.

The current estimate is that 28% of symptomatic cases in Ireland have been detected.

https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/global_cfr_estimates.html

Colibri · 14-05-2020 04:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Social distancing will continue to an extent in that indoor places that concentrate people into crowds will remain closed, and thus physically prohibit some closeness. Social distancing outside, and in private dwellings has a very short shelf life.....we are a sociable species and by August, irrespective of what we are told re. social distancing, we will be gathering in parks and beaches and hugging each other and, if you haven't for a while, hooking up

That's been the case since the middle of April hahahaha

Stheno · 14-05-2020 04:32PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

The Centre for Mathematical Modelling of Infectious Diseases is estimating the actual number of symptomatic cases by extrapolating from the CFR.

It's updated daily.

The current estimate is that 28% of symptomatic cases in Ireland have been detected.

https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/global_cfr_estimates.html

So 3 out of 4 people who were symptomatic have been identified, is that right?

14-05-2020 04:32PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Not necessarily - the percentage of patients recovered has gone from 78% to 84% in a single week. Opening up garden centres and hardware stores, where there is ample space for social distancing shouldn't greatly affect the R number, nor should libraries, so in Phase 1 and Phase 2 at least, the level of recoveries should be as close to 100% (allowing for deaths) as makes minimal difference.

Regarding libraries... I am retired from public library service and quite honestly the level of hygiene practised by certain customers said a lot to be desired at times. Staff are frequently out with chest infections due to being coughed on and handling books. In my time working there I have been bitten by a rat a child brought in and threw at me, have had to clean faeces off book shelves, from the floor and desk, plenty of urine spillages, semen in books and of course blood. A lot of unfortunate people with various issues are attracted to library buildings for shelter, and it is not unknown for staff to be assaulted including a stabbing in the not too distant past. I have friends who are literally dreading resuming work under the particular circumstances. No doubt there will be umpteen incidents of spitting, especially when staff are required to limit entry and enforce social distancing. Personally I would not recommend anybody using the public libraries until a vaccine is found.

Edit - and after the crash the resident branch cleaners were no more and my branch was put on roster to have a one hour cleaning session three times per week.

DevilsHaircut · 14-05-2020 04:35PM

Stheno wrote: »

So 3 out of 4 people who were symptomatic have been identified, is that right?

Nearly 3 out of 4 haven't.

lawred2 · 14-05-2020 04:38PM

Is it not time for Leo to strip Zappone of her position? She's useless.

Useless creator of bureaucracy and cost.

Extremely high ratio of press conference to working deliverables. Even by Irish politican standards.

caveat emptor · 14-05-2020 04:39PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Is this true? Has it been picked up by the media? How is it not front page news?

Jesus wept - average of 15 admissions per day and 1-2 in ICU (70% approx of which will recover).

Well done NPHET and our pitifully weak government - really did a number on general public. Good luck trying to get anyone indoors together any time soon after the epic scaremongering achieved.

Ridiculous level of damage done to society and economy, and foolish to think they can undo the fear as easily as they generated it.

See back here in November. Plenty will be glad to resurface your it'll be grand sure it's just a pandemic attitude.

One guy in a nightclub in seoul in Korea has led to 120 cases in a couple of weeks.

This is a long way from over unfortunately.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8315161/119-coronavirus-cases-South-Korea-linked-Seoul-clubs-super-spreader-visited-gay-bars.html

Stormyteacup · 14-05-2020 04:42PM

hmmm wrote: »

It's good news because we've worked hard to keep the numbers down, so hopefully our hard work will pay off.

You seem to be spinning this as if the virus is insignificant - this is only the case because the Irish people have done their bit to reduce the chances of it spreading.

Most definitely not suggesting virus is insignificant and I think Irish people have done exceptionally well despite hand slapping a couple of weeks ago.

To be clear - I am not questioning reasons for introducing restrictions.

But at this point we could keep the restrictions for two more weeks and see how low we can go - we could also keep them in place for six more months and see how low we get the numbers. However long we wait infections will continue.

It’s just bizarre that nobody is querying what figures NPHET want to see to begin easing of restrictions - how can it just be an arbitrary date.

I realise a date means businesses opening in each phase can prepare, but why can we not know what capacity of free beds in hospitals they want, what admission numbers or what rate of infections/deaths are the targets? I thought the purpose of restrictions was to keep hospitals from being overrun and to slow the spread not stop it.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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