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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    The title is Medical Scientist. The word technician implies no formal third level education.

    Diagnostic tests should be carried out by healthcare professionals that are qualified to do it, not the general public.

    All lab technicians have third level qualifications and most are educated to honours degree level.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    strangest picture ive seen today , this is just wierd

    https://twitter.com/Austen/status/1260689299458027525

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    EBir6TKWsAIjznZ.jpg

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52643682
    The coronavirus "may never go away", the World Health Organization (WHO) has warned.

    Speaking at a briefing on Wednesday, WHO emergencies director Dr Mike Ryan warned against trying to predict when the virus would disappear.

    He added that even if a vaccine is found, controlling the virus will require a "massive effort".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Well it is clear than children have been less ill, therefore giving off a lower viral load as the virus reproduces slower rate inside the cells
    Since viral transmission has been confirmed from asymptomatic and presymptomatic people severity of symptoms cannot necessarily be linked to probability of transmission.

    Study comparing viral load across age groups shows no difference in viral load by age https://zoonosen.charite.de/fileadmin/user_upload/microsites/m_cc05/virologie-ccm/dateien_upload/Weitere_Dateien/analysis-of-SARS-CoV-2-viral-load-by-patient-age.pdf

    One has only to consider a historical figure like typhoid Mary to realise that severity of symptoms is not necessarily linked to probability of transmission.

    Is there a study showing the virus replicates more slowly in a child than an adult?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I have a friend in a hospital in the UK , they are testing all the pregnant ladies on admission. About 5% are testing positive with no symptoms whatsoever


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    shamco wrote: »
    All lab technicians have third level qualifications and most are educated to honours degree level.

    Well you have to have an accredited honours degree anyway, most have their MSc as well. My point was lab technician is not the title of those that work in hospital labs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So the doctors in the Mater hospital were told they could take no annual leave which they accepted but they are now being told they wont be paid for any leave they cannot take. Is this not illegal. Is this how we treat our frontline staff.
    Both denying annual leave and paying in lieu of annual leave would be contrary to working hours legislation but doctors have had to work outside working hours legislation since whenever. It's nothing new, just another slant on the same old same old.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    shamco wrote: »
    All lab technicians have third level qualifications and most are educated to honours degree level.

    But yet some are not, some are button pushers and process operatives especially in commercial labs where they are trained to do a skilled job but they can’t call themselves Scientists. They wouldn’t have the authority to release some crucial results without supervision. Medical Scientists have the authority to make decisions on results protocols and would have a high level of knowledge if questioned by Doctors or Pathologists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    silverharp wrote: »
    strangest picture ive seen today , this is just wierd
    Kids would be better off not going back to school at all rather than spending all day learning how to be a loner. At least at home they can interact directly with parents and siblings, chat to friends on the street, etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    hmmm wrote: »
    There was nothing wrong with the Spanish study. IFRs will be hugely skewed by the age distribution of those who get the disease and the sample size.

    Lombardy IFR estimated at 1.29%
    New York 1.3%
    Gangelt, primarily young female & healthy 0.5%

    https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1260621729820553216

    18 studies, 0.34%, including that Spanish study. Clear outlier.

    Edit: that Spanish study isn't even finished!

    https://www.mscbs.gob.es/en/gabinete/notasPrensa.do?id=4914


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/14/coronavirus-live-news-trump-surprised-by-faucis-reopening-warnings-as-who-says-covid-19-may-never-go?page=with:block-5ebcc5cb8f080c727453a918#liveblog-navigation
    Cats can spread the new coronavirus to other cats without any of them ever having symptoms, a lab experiment suggests.

    Be careful around your cat

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  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You just tainted one of my favourite gifs.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    We've been keeping our young fella indoors. He's adjusted incredibly well tbf, the little cutie. I prefer having to cuddle him 25+ more times a day to having to avoid him and clean every place he goes, like a walking biohazard (which is what I was doing before). My mood has actually improved probably about 80% since he hasn't been going out during this. He's been in for about 3 weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    seamus wrote: »
    Kids would be better off not going back to school at all rather than spending all day learning how to be a loner. At least at home they can interact directly with parents and siblings, chat to friends on the street, etc.

    Maybe the kids in that photo are having a great time. You can't judge anything from that singular photo. Sure it looks weird, but they might be loving it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    bilston wrote: »
    Maybe the kids in that photo are having a great time. You can't judge anything from that singular photo. Sure it looks weird, but they might be loving it.

    I would doubt that they are having a great time. We are creating a society where we are imposing conditions on children and older people particularly which until recently would be regarded as cruelty and would rightly be punishable by law.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    silverharp wrote: »
    strangest picture ive seen today , this is just wierd

    https://twitter.com/Austen/status/1260689299458027525

    That is really heart breaking :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Thanks for your daily scaremonger briefing.

    No problem :cool:

    But it's in the evening I really get going.

    Make sure to drop in for real news.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Thanks for your daily scaremonger briefing.

    I just scroll by his comments, absolutely devoid of any positivity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I just scroll by his comments, absolutely devoid of any positivity.

    Hope is futile i'm afraid.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    US has gone past 85,000 deaths.

    Doing great Donald. Amazing, the best, the greatest...

    Remember back in the day when it was "one guy coming from CHINA..." (all the way back in March)

    The high estimate for Irish deaths was 88k, that was with no actions and let it burn through with all the associated problems and overwhelming of hospitals.

    The sad reality is America can't shut down longer than it did or there will be a global depression.

    As is there may well be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I would doubt that they are having a great time. We are creating a society where we are imposing conditions on children and older people particularly which until recently would be regarded as cruelty and would rightly be punishable by law.

    Give people credit, life is often shi7, if you are unlucky that can be for years.

    There will always be times like that, people accept that and that allows them to stay going till the dawn.

    A year of light restriction is not the end of the world or creating a new society.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 379 ✭✭Mike3287


    I just scroll by his comments, absolutely devoid of any positivity.

    Was talking to a friend today and nursing home situation is terrible

    Nursing home in Limerick has had 39 deaths from Covid, its not even that big a home, less than 100 residents

    Its a disgrace what happened to them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Danzy wrote: »
    The high estimate for Irish deaths was 88k, that was with no actions and let it burn through with all the associated problems and overwhelming of hospitals.

    The sad reality is America can't shut down longer than it did or there will be a global depression.

    As is there may well be.

    America has what 329 million people that's not counting millions of illegals,

    How many of that 88k actually died of covid and how many died but also tested positive for covid,

    Then you have the issues of hospitals calming people had covid who don't to receive government funding ,

    Yes America number are bad but the numbers mean nothing without the information behind them ,


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    A poster put this up last night, seems to suggest deaths are overstated in Italy...


    Sarah Newy reports Italy’s death rate might also be higher because of how fatalities are recorded. In Italy, all those who die in hospitals with Coronavirus are included in the death counts.

    In this article, Professor Walter Ricciardi, Scientific Adviser to, Italy’s Minister of Health, reports, “On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88% patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three.”

    Recording the numbers of those who die with Coronavirus will inflate the CFR as opposed to those that died from Coronavirus, which will deflate the CFR.

    Report from the Italian National Institute of Health: analysed 355 fatalities and found only three patients (0.8%) had no prior medical conditions. See Table 1 in the paper; (99% who died had one pre-existing health condition): 49% had three or more health conditions; 26% had two other ‘pathologies’, and 25% had one.

    The most common problems in the 355 who died were: 76% high blood pressure; 36% diabetes, and 33% ischemic heart disease.

    The average age of deceased and COVID-19 positive patients was 79.5 years (median 80.5, range 31-103). The median age of those that died was >15 years higher than patients who contracted the infection (median age: died 81 years – infected 63 years).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,983 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Giovanni Boccaccio was a Renaissance humanist and poet. He lived in Florence in 1348 during the Black Death, which killed around three-quarters of the city's population. (That's a CFR of approx 75% for Florence, to put things in perspective.)

    Here is his account - cherry-picked excerpts, but you can read the whole thing by clicking the link - of the behaviour of Florentines during this pestilence:

    Link
    From these things and many others like unto them or yet stranger divers fears and conceits were begotten in those who abode alive, which well nigh all tended to a very barbarous conclusion, namely, to shun and flee from the sick and all that pertained to them, and thus doing, each thought to secure immunity for himself. Some there were who conceived that to live moderately and keep oneself from all excess was the best defence against such a danger; wherefore, making up their company, they lived removed from every other and shut themselves up in those houses where none had been sick and where living was best; and there, using very temperately of the most delicate viands and the finest wines and eschewing all incontinence, they abode with music and such other diversions as they might have, never suffering themselves to speak with any nor choosing to hear any news from without of death or sick folk.

    Many others held a middle course, not straitening themselves so exactly in the matter of diet as the first neither allowing themselves such license in drinking and other debauchery as the second, but using things in sufficiency, according to their appetites; nor did they seclude themselves, but went about, carrying in their hands, some flowers, some odoriferous herbs and other some divers kinds of spiceries, which they set often to their noses, accounting it an excellent thing to fortify the brain with such odours, more by token that the air seemed all heavy and attainted with the stench of the dead bodies and that of the sick and of the remedies used.

    Some were of a more barbarous, though, peradventure, a surer way of thinking, avouching that there was no remedy against pestilences better than—no, nor any so good as—to flee before them; wherefore, moved by this reasoning and recking of nought but themselves, very many, both men and women, abandoned their own city, their own houses and homes, their kinsfolk and possessions, and sought the country seats of others, or, at the least, their own, as if the wrath of God, being moved to punish the iniquity of mankind, would not proceed to do so wheresoever they might be, but would content itself with afflicting those only who were found within the walls of their city, or as if they were persuaded that no person was to remain therein and that its last hour was come. And albeit these, who opined thus variously, died not all, yet neither did they all escape; nay, many of each way of thinking and in every place sickened of the plague and languished on all sides, well nigh abandoned, having themselves, what while they were whole, set the example to those who abode in health.

    Indeed, leaving be that townsman avoided townsman and that well nigh no neighbour took thought unto other and that kinsfolk seldom or never visited one another and held no converse together save from afar, this tribulation had stricken such terror to the hearts of all, men and women alike, that brother forsook brother, uncle nephew and sister brother and oftentimes wife husband; nay (what is yet more extraordinary and well nigh incredible) fathers and mothers refused to visit or tend their very children, as they had not been theirs. By reason whereof there remained unto those (and the number of them, both males and females, was incalculable) who fell sick, none other succour than that which they owed either to the charity of friends (and of these there were few) or the greed of servants.

    Of this abandonment of the sick by neighbours, kinsfolk and friends and of the scarcity of servants arose an usage before well nigh unheard, to wit, that no woman, how fair or lovesome or well-born soever she might be, once fallen sick, recked aught of having a man to tend her.
    Few, again, were they whose bodies were accompanied to the church by more than half a score or a dozen of their neighbours, and of these no worshipful and illustrious citizens, but a sort of blood-suckers, sprung from the dregs of the people, who styled themselves pickmen and did such offices for hire, shouldered the bier and bore it with hurried steps, not to that church which the dead man had chosen before his death, but most times to the nearest, behind five or six priests, with little light and whiles none at all, which latter, with the aid of the said pickmen, thrust him into what grave soever they first found unoccupied, without troubling themselves with too long or too formal a service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Mike3287 wrote: »
    Was talking to a friend today and nursing home situation is terrible

    Nursing home in Limerick has had 39 deaths from Covid, its not even that big a home, less than 100 residents

    Its a disgrace what happened to them


    What so Leo and Tony aren't the nations saviours ? ...... but everyone says there handling this great ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy



    That memory would merge with the leaving cert to give extra awful dreams.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Danzy wrote: »
    That memory would merge with the leaving cert to give extra awful dreams.

    Anyone who tests positive is taken out back and never heard from again. :pac:


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