Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

13-05-2020 01:10PM

owlbethere wrote: »

It's absolutely scandalous how our government never implemented quarantine measures at the airports and allowed visitors to come in. It will turn out to be the most biggest, fcuking monumental fcuk up in the history of our state. The population was put under restrictions from the middle of March while more potential covid19 cases came in and allowed to go about our communities.

How many of those do you think arrived after restrictions had been implemented? F all thats how many.

hmmm · 13-05-2020 01:12PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The knock-on effect of this is how it might affect absenteeism levels. A cold is really not being sick and being in thrall to the possibility of a disease appearing is no way to live our lives long-term.

I expect we'll have home testing within a few months. You'll be able to check yourself whether you have Covid or something else. It's the next few months we have to get through with little in the way of tools.

Employers should be emphasising this also as it is in their benefit - don't come into work if you think you are sick.

There will be a small number of people who abuse it, but most people won't.

stephenjmcd · 13-05-2020 01:13PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0513/1138116-airlines-eu/

The EU is proposing a three-stage approach, starting with the current situation in which most non-essential travel across borders is banned.

In the next phase, the EU wants border restrictions lifted between countries and regions at a similar stage of the pandemic, and where the health situation is improving.

In the final phase, all coronavirus-related border controls would be lifted and travel permitted throughout Europe once again.

Brussels is urging governments to consider economic and social factors as well as health as they weigh up reopening their borders.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-05-2020 01:14PM

Sweden reports 147 new deaths.

is_that_so · 13-05-2020 01:15PM

hmmm wrote: »

I expect we'll have home testing within a few months. You'll be able to check yourself whether you have Covid or something else. It's the next few months we have to get through with little in the way of tools.

Employers should be emphasising this also as it is in their benefit - don't come into work if you think you are sick.

There will be a small number of people who abuse it, but most people won't.

It is absolutely essential for any level of normality to be able to spot cases very very quickly as compliance with these measures alone will not last into the winter. As that EU comment points out it's not just the health aspects of it.

del roy · 13-05-2020 01:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

How many of those do you think arrived after restrictions had been implemented? F all thats how many.

Keelings contacted Coveney directly as it set up flight for 189 Bulgarian fruit pickers

13-05-2020 01:21PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sweden reports 147 new deaths.

Swedish model has shown a lower rate in fall off of cases and deaths. It is looking like they will maintain at a higher rate for a more sustained period of time. Will be an interesting one to follow

owlbethere · 13-05-2020 01:23PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0513/1138116-airlines-eu/

The EU is proposing a three-stage approach, starting with the current situation in which most non-essential travel across borders is banned.

In the next phase, the EU wants border restrictions lifted between countries and regions at a similar stage of the pandemic, and where the health situation is improving.

In the final phase, all coronavirus-related border controls would be lifted and travel permitted throughout Europe once again.

Brussels is urging governments to consider economic and social factors as well as health as they weigh up reopening their borders.

How much of a time line are we looking at to work through the three stages?

13-05-2020 01:25PM

del roy wrote: »

Keelings contacted Coveney directly as it set up flight for 189 Bulgarian fruit pickers

I know, poor feckers being sent from a country with 14 deaths per million to one with 300.

Look at the sources of infection for cases associated with travel - Italy, UK, Austria, Spain, US, and nearly all in March.

stephenjmcd · 13-05-2020 01:30PM

owlbethere wrote: »

How much of a time line are we looking at to work through the three stages?

Theres no times on it and its non binding. Bit more info on it here https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-travel-idUSKBN22O38B

But doesn't look like long for travel within the EU

“Domestic and intra-EU tourism will prevail in the short-term,” the Commission said, as travel from outside the bloc for non-essential trips such as holidays is likely to remain disrupted for longer

fritzelly · 13-05-2020 01:30PM

Waters and odoherty case thrown out

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/0513/1138081-gemma-odoherty-john-waters-covid19-coronavirus/

seamus · 13-05-2020 01:31PM

del roy wrote: »

Keelings contacted Coveney directly as it set up flight for 189 Bulgarian fruit pickers

189 people is not a lot.

For all the talk about closing airports, the volume of people coming in is tiny. I think 1,000 was the number someone gave last week. That's how many people cross the border from NI at a single crossing in about 30 minutes on a normal day.

I have issues with the fact that we are allowing people to arrive and not supply an address at which they'll be staying, but the numbers are so low and the risk of infection so low that draconian measures like locking them in a hotel room for two weeks are unnecessary.

hotmail.com · 13-05-2020 01:40PM

It looks people will get a shock next week when a lot of people go back to work and more shops reopen.

We will have a week long social media outrage about queues at McDonald's and groups of construction workers eating their lunch together.

Funsterdelux · 13-05-2020 01:42PM

Preparing us to send our kids back in September

HIQA on the potential for children to contribute to transmission of SARS-CoV-2.

growleaves · 13-05-2020 01:47PM

Coronavirus Impact: Updated Model Predicts COVID-19 Peak In Late-July With SAHO Extended Through May; 25K Deaths Possible

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — An updated model from the University of Minnesota and state’s health department is predicting that COVID-19 cases will peak in late-July with 25,000 deaths possible — if the stay-at-home order is extended until the end of May.

The model, which was updated on April 28, estimates outcomes for multiple scenarios. Scenario 5 was recently added to those estimates.

That is a prediction of another 25,000 deaths in Minnesota with a lockdown.

caveat emptor · 13-05-2020 01:50PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Preparing us to send our kids back in September

HIQA on the potential for children to contribute to transmission of SARS-CoV-2.

Yeah exactly what I thought. Caveats galore.
Need those schools open so people can get back to work.
Very strong non existent evidence of nothing.

The Health Information and Quality Authority has said it appears that children are not substantially contributing to the spread of coronavirus,
in their household, or in schools.
The authority has published a summary of the latest research and evidence on immunity and the spread of Covid-19 by children.
It said that while evidence is limited, it appears that children are not significant contributors to the spread.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0513/1138100-hiqa-coronavirus-review/

An Ciarraioch · 13-05-2020 01:52PM

Lesotho records its first case, so only North Korea, Turkmenistan (both of whom probably have had cases) and the various nations of Oceania officially unaffected.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-05-2020 01:57PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Lesotho records its first case, so only North Korea, Turkmenistan (both of whom probably have had cases) and the various nations of Oceania officially unaffected.

Best Korea has already defeated coronavirus.

FFS try keep up :pac:

Snow Garden · 13-05-2020 01:57PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

It looks people will get a shock next week when a lot of people go back to work and more shops reopen.

We will have a week long social media outrage about queues at McDonald's and groups of construction workers eating their lunch together.

Don't tell people there are only 226 days until Christmas!

Beanybabog · 13-05-2020 02:22PM

Are we getting a breakdown of the daily cases? I recall a few days ago people posted here we had X cases, and Y number of them came from nursing homes but I’m not sure where the info came from or if it’s always reported. Do we know how many of each case come from? I was curious to see the figure for how many are getting it in the community (ie not front line staff or residential homes etc).

mandrake04 · 13-05-2020 02:22PM

hmmm wrote: »

I expect we'll have home testing within a few months. You'll be able to check yourself whether you have Covid or something else. It's the next few months we have to get through with little in the way of tools.

Employers should be emphasising this also as it is in their benefit - don't come into work if you think you are sick.

There will be a small number of people who abuse it, but most people won't.

you really expect that? in a few months? wow

is_that_so · 13-05-2020 02:24PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Lesotho records its first case, so only North Korea, Turkmenistan (both of whom probably have had cases) and the various nations of Oceania officially unaffected.

Africa seems to have been far less affected all round so far. Its total current cases are not a whole lot more than those of Belgium.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-4a11d568-2716-41cf-a15e-7d15079548bc

13-05-2020 02:24PM

growleaves wrote: »

Coronavirus Impact: Updated Model Predicts COVID-19 Peak In Late-July With SAHO Extended Through May; 25K Deaths Possible

That is a prediction of another 25,000 deaths in Minnesota with a lockdown.

Minnesota has seen a massive increase in cases over the past two weeks. If lockdown were to be lifted while cases were still rising, a continued increase would be expected. Perhaps not to 25,000 though

ACitizenErased · 13-05-2020 02:25PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Africa seems to have been far less affected all round so far. Its total current cases are not a whole lot more than those of Belgium.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-4a11d568-2716-41cf-a15e-7d15079548bc

I wouldn't believe Africa's numbers tbh. Nigeria was doing 4,000 tests a week two weeks ago.

bekker · 13-05-2020 02:43PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah exactly what I thought. Caveats galore.
Need those schools open so people can get back to work.
Very strong non existent evidence of nothing.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0513/1138100-hiqa-coronavirus-review/

Why is HIQUA wasting time and resources on such a study of studies covering very small numbers of children, with varying methodologies, compiled from admitted sparse reporting detail which was collected for other purposes.

In fact why did HIQUA involve itself at all ? 'HIQA's role is to develop standards, inspect and review health and social care services and support informed decisions on how services are delivered.'

If HIQUA believes that reaching even tentative conclusions on such a paucity of data is acceptable, it is even less fit for purpose than it's track record suggests.

Random testing of a cohort of children in Ireland would yield far more reliable data on which to base any report regarding COVID-19 and children, particularly in regard to asymptomatic transmission which is not addressed.

owlbethere · 13-05-2020 02:53PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah exactly what I thought. Caveats galore.
Need those schools open so people can get back to work.
Very strong non existent evidence of nothing.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0513/1138100-hiqa-coronavirus-review/

It says the evidence is limited. How can we get a true picture of children and their role in the possibility of being spreaders? We are living with a range of restrictions to slow down the spread of the virus. There hasn't been much of an opportunity for children to mix with other children from other households and pick up the infection in that way.

An Ciarraioch · 13-05-2020 02:54PM

Today being Wednesday, we'll get the updated recovery figures - ideally, we'd know the details for each county, but the data doesn't appear to be this granular yet.

Stheno · 13-05-2020 02:58PM

owlbethere wrote: »

It says the evidence is limited. How can we get a true picture of children and their role in the possibility of being spreaders? We are living with a range of restrictions to slow down the spread of the virus. There hasn't been much of an opportunity for children to mix with other children from other households and pick up the infection in that way.

Leo said in the last hour that opening schools and childcare is one of the safest things that can be done in the next couple of months
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1260568871976816642?s=19

Strazdas · 13-05-2020 02:59PM

Beanybabog wrote: »

Are we getting a breakdown of the daily cases? I recall a few days ago people posted here we had X cases, and Y number of them came from nursing homes but I’m not sure where the info came from or if it’s always reported. Do we know how many of each case come from? I was curious to see the figure for how many are getting it in the community (ie not front line staff or residential homes etc).

The most recent one I heard a few days ago was that community transmission was very low.......only 22 cases out of 150 or so (the rest were residential / hospital settings and the like)

ACitizenErased · 13-05-2020 03:00PM

Stheno wrote: »

Leo said kn the last hour that opening schools and childcare is one of the safest things that can be done in the next couple of months
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1260568871976816642?s=19

Where is the evidence for this? We don't have the space nor amount of teachers required to social distance/split up classes. We have the highest pupil to teacher ratio in the eurozone.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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