Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

polesheep · 13-05-2020 10:44AM

hmmm wrote: »

I don't think this is deliberate, we're maybe just picking up on it more and the media are certainly reporting it more.

Every scientist when asked says "well of course there are unknowns when developing a vaccine", but the media reports that as "There might never be a vaccine" which sounds very definite.

I think this is something that we will hear more. People were scared into staying at home with lots of talk of imminent vaccines to keep their pecker up. Now, as we get to coming out again time, the same people will have to be encouraged out. Watch for slogans like 'stay at home' being replaced with 'We'll be alright' or 'Let's get going again' or whatever other nonsense the PR companies come up with.

polesheep · 13-05-2020 10:49AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I completely see your point of view. It's an individual preference and one size doesn't fit all sort of thing.

I'm spending most of my time at home and previously I'd have been very socially active, gym, sporting events, socialising etc so to not have them at the moment is a huge difference for me. I can without for a few months and I've no issue putting them off until August or whenever they might resume. I'll never take for granted a Friday night at a league of Ireland match or a GAA match on a Sunday for granted again after this.

The thing is you will. And that's also the reason why we will get back to normal a lot sooner than many people realise.

is_that_so · 13-05-2020 10:50AM

polesheep wrote: »

I think this is something that we will hear more. People were scared into staying at home with lots of talk of imminent vaccines to keep their pecker up. Now, as we get to coming out again time, the same people will have to be encouraged out. Watch for slogans like 'stay at home' being replaced with 'We'll be alright' or 'Let's get going again' or whatever other nonsense the PR companies come up with.

It's more likely to be all about keeping up that personal hygiene.

polesheep · 13-05-2020 10:53AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's more likely to be all about keeping up that personal hygiene.

There will be that, of course, but there will also need to be a fillip and some hand-holding.

wakka12 · 13-05-2020 11:03AM

https://news.sky.com/story/mexico-city-underreporting-covid-19-deaths-sky-news-analysis-finds-11987235
Government official in Mexico says national death toll is 5x times higher than reported, which would mean about 20,000 deaths
South America is really being devastated, I wonder if there an ethnic aspect, the death toll in South American countries seems staggering considering how incredibly young the average citizen is

growleaves · 13-05-2020 11:04AM

polesheep wrote: »

Watch for slogans like 'stay at home' being replaced with 'We'll be alright' or 'Let's get going again' or whatever other nonsense the PR companies come up with.

cavemeister · 13-05-2020 11:05AM

When you look at the numbers of deaths per million of population, you will see a shocking number jump out at you. Ireland is ranked 11th in the world at 301 deaths per million of population.

Whats even more shocking is even though we have seen anti lockdown protests in America, and all those crazy government building stormings, states re-opening early, they are ranked lower than us with 252 deaths per million of population.

Here is the list.

1. San Marino - 1,208 (Population 33k)
2. Belgium - 763
3. Andorra - 621 (Population 77k)
4. Spain - 576
5. Italy - 511
6. UK - 482
7. France - 414
8. Sint Maarten - 350 (Population 40k)
9. Sweden - 328
10. Netherlands - 322
11. Ireland - 301

2 things jumping out at me. We are only 27 deaths per million behind Sweden and they kept their country fully open for business. Secondly, when you remove the micro states from the list, we are 8th in the world.

Can someone advise how this is possible? Everyone is saying how Ireland was ahead of the curve on lockdown and how fantastic we have been throughout.

But what the numbers tell me is that Ireland's handling of Coronavirus has been nothing short of abject failure.

Oh, and for reference, New Zealand's deaths per million of population is 4. Four!

Dravokivich · 13-05-2020 11:06AM

"Wont happen to me"

ednwireland · 13-05-2020 11:07AM

the only thing i hope is that it makes people stay at home with a cold/flu more as its expected in our company for you to drag yourself in whatever. problem is being infectious before symptoms.

as to working from home really not all its cracked up to be but our office isnt big enough for everyone to be in and social distance so we will be working from home mostly.

looksee · 13-05-2020 11:09AM

It could also be that Ireland has done more testing or is counting deaths differently (more accurately) - some countries were/are not counting nursing home deaths, are reporting deaths differently (for example if Covid caused a heart attack then the death is recorded as heart attack) and some are taking liberties with numbers to appease voters. We won't really know the actual figures till its all over and they have time and opportunity to analyse the figures.

JPA · 13-05-2020 11:09AM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/mexico-city-underreporting-covid-19-deaths-sky-news-analysis-finds-11987235
Government official in Mexico says national death toll is 5x times higher than reported, which would mean about 20,000 deaths
South America is really being devastating, I wonder if there an ethnic aspect, the death toll in South American countries seems staggering considering how incredibly young the average citizen is

Mexico is North America.

stephenjmcd · 13-05-2020 11:10AM

polesheep wrote: »

The thing is you will. And that's also the reason why we will get back to normal a lot sooner than many people realise.

I think I'll be more appreciative of it after not being able to do anything for a while.

Fingers crossed it'll be back to normal quicker than people think, I don't hold out hope to be at any events be it football or other in 2020 anyway, 2021 is more realistic.

But I do think people will need to learn to live alongside it and take responsibility, you have a cough or a sniffle you dont go out to the event, stay at home until it passes, work from home if possible. The days of having a head cold and basically being told to get on with it are gone.

Atlantic Dawn · 13-05-2020 11:10AM

Nursing Homes, complete shambles made in protecting them.

ek motor · 13-05-2020 11:11AM

Difficult to gauge from the official figures as there are huge discrepancies in how individual countries report deaths.

mandrake04 · 13-05-2020 11:14AM

cavemeister wrote: »

When you look at the numbers of deaths per million of population, you will see a shocking number jump out at you. Ireland is ranked 11th in the world at 301 deaths per million of population.

Whats even more shocking is even though we have seen anti lockdown protests in America, and all those crazy government building stormings, states re-opening early, they are ranked lower than us with 252 deaths per million of population.

Here is the list.

1. San Marino - 1,208 (Population 33k)
2. Belgium - 763
3. Andorra - 621 (Population 77k)
4. Spain - 576
5. Italy - 511
6. UK - 482
7. France - 414
8. Sint Maarten - 350 (Population 40k)
9. Sweden - 328
10. Netherlands - 322
11. Ireland - 301

2 things jumping out at me. We are only 27 deaths per million behind Sweden and they kept their country fully open for business. Secondly, when you remove the micro states from the list, we are 8th in the world.

Can someone advise how this is possible? Everyone is saying how Ireland was ahead of the curve on lockdown and how fantastic we have been throughout.

But what the numbers tell me is that Ireland's handling of Coronavirus has been nothing short of abject failure.

Oh, and for reference, New Zealand's deaths per million of population is 4. Four!

The lockdown has lasted longer as the numbers are not satisfactory because people are coming into the country and there’s no guarantee that they are self isolating, and the government is too trusting.

The testing turnaround is 3 times longer than it absolutely needs to be, contact tracing is a farce.

Not testing staff in aged care and home care.

sydthebeat · 13-05-2020 11:15AM

When compared to our nearest neighbours, with whom we share a land border, we have been doing excellently.

Unfortunately unlike new Zealand we are not an island 1000 kms away from another major country.

And Sweden did not remain "fully open"

We have been in the top 5 of major countries to test our population (removing small countries and Emirati states.

The virus has spread like wildfire in poorer countries but they do not have the facility to test or even record the deaths as covid related. We have been very up front about our death levels that the likes of UK and Sweden haven't.

Could it have been so much worse??? Hell yes, just look at the cluster fcuk in both the US and the UK.

This is an unnecessary dog whistling thread

Deeper Blue · 13-05-2020 11:16AM

You can't compare deaths between countries.

This has been established at least a million times on the main threads.

2ndcoming · 13-05-2020 11:17AM

There's several factors at play. More honest reporting for one (the UK has around 20,000 excess deaths in the past two months they haven't attributed to Covid... yet) and also population demographics.

We're a mostly fairly sparsely populated island with one large metropolitan city. In the vast majority of countries the big cities have had by far the highest numbers of cases so we're no different on that front, just our general population is so low this makes our per capita figure higher.

Harry Palmr · 13-05-2020 11:19AM

Ireland has tested at about three times the rate of the USA I think, the more you test the more you find. Ireland is including everyone they can who might fit the bill, the USA's true figure is almost certainly a good half bigger than its stated level.

Anway as has been pointed out countless times - we will never know the actual death tally, and the best way to get an idea will be when excess deaths over a given time period (like 1 year) can be totted up and compared to the last five year average and that will be best done in 2021.

Does this forum have a thread for pure stats? We need one stickied and updated every day.

irishgrover · 13-05-2020 11:20AM

the only figure I would trust are the increase in death rates over a period of time versus the 5 or 10 year moving average for the same time period. Even then I would only trust them after a number of months due to the difference in legal requirements on maximum time required to legally report a death, and even then I would discount all countries where there was not a mature and verifiable system where all deaths are accurately counted.
Given those reservations...

I would also ignore the micro countries as they are not that applicable statistically
I think, but am not 100% convinced that Ireland is higher than most because Ireland is using a much broader inclusion method when counting deaths
NZ it literally a very isolated Island, with no physical boarders and had a very different set of geographic factors which increase its ability to isolate.
UK is obviously significantly underreporting its deaths, relative to Ireland

bekker · 13-05-2020 11:27AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Didn't their makeshift hospital collapse?

No, it was an old small hotel used as an quarantine isolation unit that collapsed as was widely reported at the time, there's enough Sinophobia about why stir it with untrue allegations.

bekker · 13-05-2020 11:33AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

On primetime now.

HSE app

Waste of resources, they don't work even when mandatory and a voluntary buy-in is proposed for here.

Bluetooth NFC is power hungry, imprecise and very variable in connectivity efficiency.

All before you get into software design and development across platforms, it's just more window dressing from the HSE.

loyatemu · 13-05-2020 11:35AM

actual UK figure is over 40K, so their figure per million is more like ~620 but as others have pointed out different countries are counting in different ways, and deaths per million is a poor measure.

Our main problem appears to be in the nursing homes, other countries have had the same problem so we should have seen that coming. On general infection in the community we seem to have done ok.

Miike · 13-05-2020 11:35AM

bekker wrote: »

Waste of resources, they don't work even when mandatory and a voluntary buy-in is proposed for here.

Bluetooth NFC is power hungry, imprecise and very variable in connectivity efficiency.

All before you get into software design and development across platforms, it's just more window dressing from the HSE.

Isn't this what everyone is using? What other options are there?

Atlantic Dawn · 13-05-2020 11:36AM

Another Aer Lingus plane just left Dublin for Beijing, likely PPE pickup.

mandrake04 · 13-05-2020 11:37AM

cavemeister wrote: »

Oh, and for reference, New Zealand's deaths per million of population is 4. Four!

Yeah I forgot to say don’t mention NZ, it’s isolated, sparsely populated and full of sheep. Oh and it successfully contained covid and that bit really gets on peoples goat.

stephenjmcd · 13-05-2020 11:38AM

The European Commission is expected to announce that airlines will not have to leave the middle seats empty but the wearing of masks onboard and in airports should be required as travel across the bloc restarts gradually.

ek motor · 13-05-2020 11:38AM

'Airlines will not need to spare middle seat to restart travel - EU' - RTE

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0513/1138116-airlines-eu/

13-05-2020 11:38AM

NDWC wrote: »

You can't compare deaths between countries.

This has been established at least a million times on the main threads.

Quoting this just to repeat it again.

Micky 32 · 13-05-2020 11:40AM

People in hospital down by 60 since Monday, current ICU is 67 .

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