John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

13-05-2020 10:21AM

Guess the constitutional experts on here were wrong.

druss · 13-05-2020 10:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Guess the constitutional experts on here were wrong.

The great thing about this particular branch of Freemanism/mad libertarianism is that you can never really be wrong.

Heads, you win. Tails, it's a Deep State conspiracy, with a fix funded by [Insert latest bogeyman of choice]

The Nal · 13-05-2020 10:29AM

druss wrote: »

Heads, you win. Tails, it's a Deep State conspiracy, with a fix funded by [Insert latest bogeyman of choice]

Bill Gates at the moment. Soros is taking it easy during lockdown seemingly.

Seth Brundle · 13-05-2020 10:31AM

Obviously the court decision was politically motivated

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Ronan|Raven · 13-05-2020 10:32AM

The stench of Soros off this decision is strong.

Truthvader · 13-05-2020 10:33AM

Its the Lizard People. Run Gemma RUN!

Brock Turnpike · 13-05-2020 10:37AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Guess the constitutional experts on here were wrong.

Who would've thought they were talking absolute nonsense!?

plodder · 13-05-2020 10:38AM

Judge appointed by Charlie Flanagan, who in turn was appointed by George Soros obviously :pac:

Sure, why did they bother when this was all "anticipated"?

extra gravy · 13-05-2020 10:43AM

In refusing leave to Gemma O'Doherty/John Waters to challenge Covid-19 laws, the High Court said: "Unsubstantiated opinion, speeches, empty rhetoric and a bogus historic parallel are not a substitute for facts."

Hear hear.

druss · 13-05-2020 10:46AM

plodder wrote: »

Judge appointed by Charlie Flanagan, who in turn was appointed by George Soros obviously :pac:

Sure, why did they bother when this was all "anticipated"?

Of course this State appointed judge will always have ruled with the State. Apart from all those occasions when he didn't.

Annasopra · 13-05-2020 10:47AM

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

The stench of Soros off this decision is strong.

I thought Bill Gates was the new Soros

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-05-2020 10:49AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I thought Bill Gates was the new Soros

Have they ever been photographed in the same room together???

I'm thinking along the lines of a shape shifting lizard entity.

stephenjmcd · 13-05-2020 10:57AM

They're going to lodge an appeal, bloody hell

Annasopra · 13-05-2020 11:01AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They're going to lodge an appeal, bloody hell

Of course.... Milking it for more publicity. They don't really give a **** about the case itself. If there were none of these laws Gemma would be demanding them.

CrabRevolution · 13-05-2020 11:05AM

While obviously it's good that this attention seeking charade has failed (pending appeal), it still leaves room for contrarians and edgy folk to claim the laws in question "could be unconstitutional; their constitutionality has never been tested. Would be interesting to see it in court." Conveniently ignoring how the challenges to the constitutionality of said laws have been so baseless that they've failed at the first hurdle.

It's like me saying I could beat Ronnie O'Sullivan at snooker; it's just I've never been allowed play him.

druss · 13-05-2020 11:13AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Of course.... Milking it for more publicity. They don't really give a **** about the case itself. If there were none of these laws Gemma would be demanding them.

Yup, the judgement pretty well backs up that assessment. They haven't really made any legal arguments and they certainly haven't made any scientific or medical arguments.

They didn't justify their statements that COVID figures were fraudulent and they didn't attempt to rebut the State side submission either.

This is just an attempt to use the court room as a backdrop for the standard Twitter rant. The main loss on their side was that they couldn't pack the galleries with their supporters.

13-05-2020 11:15AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They're going to lodge an appeal, bloody hell

Who pays for these cases?

Runaways · 13-05-2020 11:16AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who pays for these cases?

Was just about to ask that where is all the money coming from she tweeted about support from the US earlier you’d wonder who is funding it

super_furry · 13-05-2020 11:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Who pays for these cases?

That's the question isn't it. Just who is funding these Presidential Campaigns? These General Election campaigns? And who is putting the money up so that the unemployed Gemtrails can waste the time of the courts again and again?

blueythebear · 13-05-2020 11:19AM

Link to full judgement is in this article....

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/0513/1138081-gemma-odoherty-john-waters-covid19-coronavirus/

radia · 13-05-2020 11:29AM

Taken from the judgement linked above:

Judgement of Mr Justice Meehan wrote:

56. Unfortunately, in making their case for leave the applicants, who have no medical or scientific qualifications or expertise, relied upon their own unsubstantiated views, gave speeches, engaged in empty rhetoric and sought to draw an historic parallel with Nazi Germany - a parallel which is both absurd and offensive. Unsubstantiated opinions, speeches, empty rhetoric and a bogus historical parallel are not a substitute for facts.

Justice Meehan isn't one for mincing his words, is he?

Grab All Association · 13-05-2020 11:31AM

More importantly have the gardai outside the court taken their oats this morning?

Flahavans or Odlums

Infini · 13-05-2020 11:43AM

extra gravy wrote: »

In refusing leave to Gemma O'Doherty/John Waters to challenge Covi-19 laws, the High Court said: "Unsubstantiated opinion, speeches, empty rhetoric and a bogus historic parallel are not a substitute for facts."

Hear hear.

Pretty much summing up the two bellends entire platform in a single sentence this judge!

Also an accurate legal summary by the Judge's of these 2's case: BEGONE TWATS!

Rodin · 13-05-2020 11:48AM

Hopefully costs will be awarded against them.

13-05-2020 11:54AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who pays for these cases?

I was sent a link to a YouTube live video last night of one of them, I wont mention his name as I don't want to give him any exposure more than he gets but I'm sure you can guess who, he had 2 antivaxxer loons on spouting off about apparent upcoming vaccinations.

I had a brief scan over the comments etc and he has a lot of "members" on his stream, and his membership is 2 quid a month or something to support him, it all adds up I suppose, but last I heard this guy was a dole muffin, so do they pay taxes on these "donations" or what way does it work?

bennyl10 · 13-05-2020 11:57AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Guess the constitutional experts on here were wrong.

Anyone with a basic reading level, and a copy of the constitution could have known this was going to fail

Judge, in no uncertain terms, put them very much in their place.

Any appeal is going to fail, thankfully.

tayto lover · 13-05-2020 12:15PM

Two lunatics asked told to **** off out of the High Court
Great news.

sabat · 13-05-2020 12:30PM

In 18 months time you might well be wishing that they had won...

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-05-2020 12:32PM

sabat wrote: »

In 18 months time you might well be wishing that they had won...

Why? What do you think Ireland will be like in 18 months?

bennyl10 · 13-05-2020 12:36PM

Reading through the judgement and their claims(starting at point 36 if anyone is bored and/or interested

insanity is too nice a way to describe the claims they have made

the rent freeze and evictions ban "impedes access to justice" apparently

the lockdown "set backwards gains made in safeguarding psychiatric patients"

It reads as if someone is rambling and just trying to stick what ever they can to a wall

John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

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