Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Invincible · 12-05-2020 11:52PM

fullstop wrote: »

LOL. “Facts”

Believe the propoganda if you prefer.

2ndcoming · 12-05-2020 11:52PM

Invincible wrote: »

It's an Irish professor presenting facts regarding the virus, it's treatment with inexpensive anti malaria medicine.

She's a bit late with that one... first widespread study found more of the patients that were given it died than those given placebos. Even the Donald dropped it like the steaming turd it is at that point.

bekker · 12-05-2020 11:52PM

New Home wrote: »

Could you give us a summary of what it's about, please?

Chairman of the Irish Freedom Party opining

New Home · 12-05-2020 11:53PM

bekker wrote: »

Chairman of the Irish Freedom Party opining

Ah right, that again.

fritzelly · 12-05-2020 11:53PM

2ndcoming wrote: »

She's a bit late with that one... first widespread study found more of the patients that were given it died than those given placebos. Even the Donald dropped it like the steaming turd it is at that point.

Thanks forgot about that one, this is a self serving opinion piece to draw attention to her and the party

12-05-2020 11:57PM

Invincible wrote: »

It's an Irish professor presenting facts regarding the virus, it's treatment with inexpensive anti malaria medicine.

Is that Delores again?

Still waiting for answers to questions from a poster, who regularly posts conspiracy theories in here, that was championing her earlier, but couldn't use Google to find the answers to their question regarding who is advising the government, and couldn't read the appendix of the link provided that answered them.

Since your a different poster, I'm going to just ask the last question and maybe you can answer it, because they keep avoiding answering.

Has your expert been infected with covid19 and recovered as certified by a medical doctor and what steps are they going to take to be infected if not and then prove that they can't be reinfected?

Edit just seen this so guess it'll be a no, again, on getting the question answered

Invincible wrote: »

Believe the propoganda if you prefer.

WoollyRedHat · 12-05-2020 11:58PM

GazzaL wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcYjXbSJBN8

Interesting interview with Elon Musk. It's quite long, but they touch on the COVID-19 situation at various points.

He is of the opinion that we should re-open our economies and get back to work for the same reasons that have been outlined here. Lockdown restrictions compromise our civil liberties, they are incredibly socially and economically damaging, people are scared to avail of medical treatment for non-COVID illnesses, hospitals are lying empty, and most people of working age and younger are not at high-risk of death.

Maybe Elon should get back to what he does best, wiping millions off his company for investors on the back of his insanity tweets.

Funsterdelux · 13-05-2020 12:00AM

antodeco wrote: »

I guess you could say da'none is paying attention..

Yop, I think youre right

Kermit.de.frog · 13-05-2020 12:00AM

884 new cases today in Singapore. From model to basket case in the blink of an eye.

Should have kept an eye on dem furinors

WoollyRedHat · 13-05-2020 12:02AM

coastwatch wrote: »

Vienna Airport now offering the PCR test for arrivals at cost of €190, to avoid the 14 day quarantine. Test result available within 3 hours.

https://www.viennaairport.com/pcrtest

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-52599554/coronavirus-tests-offered-at-vienna-airport-to-avoid-quarantine

Iceland also doing similar. But as Martina mentioned, how accurate are these tests going to be? If it is motivated solely on profit I.E. the government desperate to increase tourism as primary motivation, then we should be wary.

If this was an EU led initiative with public health
guiding such implementation of these tests , I would be more trusting.

ChelseaRentBoy · 13-05-2020 12:05AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

884 new cases today in Singapore. From model to basket case in the blink of an eye.

Should have kept an eye on dem furinors

Lot of heartache ahead im afraid.

13-05-2020 12:05AM

Invincible wrote: »

First few minutes are heavy going, but worth watching after that.

https://youtu.be/d9GbVZOcT18

What i find depressing is someone like this with her education and experience can be saying this and someone else with equal education and experience can be saying the complete opposite.

WoollyRedHat · 13-05-2020 12:07AM

Getting personalised Antibody Test results will be like getting your leaving cert results all over again. Unless it's going to be as accurate as predictive grades based on this year's Leaving Cert, in which case I wouldn't be so positive ...or negative!

Stheno · 13-05-2020 12:19AM

Beasty wrote: »

And that's before the possibility of further waves

They's gone from something like 34 to 80,000 in 2 months though, and even if they are on top of it now (and many States may well be) it's probably going to be a long tail to the chart

I thought yesterday's figure looked quite promising, but they are back up to 1,500 today. LA County has announced they could extend their stay at home order until July. I guess it's such a big place it's going to be relatively easy for new clusters to crop up. I don't know how much internal travel continues, but the amount of internal flights do risk a rapid escalation

CNN are just saying Disney World (Florida) are taking bookings for July - that really could become a hot bed for this virus if something goes wrong

I know people do.complain about our plan and I myself think it's a little slow, and I've been critical of the HSE too.

But we are now at a point where one ssympt ok m gets you tested, we are starting to ease restrictions and hopefully it will go well

My OH who pays little attention to proper news told me earlier the US had less deaths per million than we did

He got a long lecture, the same guy is dieting as hes mildly overweight, taking vitamin d, and has started using online banking after years of resisting :rolleyes:

On the positive side he's starting to enjoy gardening, we spend at least an hour every nice day working together in the garden, and he loves seeing the plants grow which is great for his mental health

13-05-2020 12:21AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What i find depressing is someone like this with her education and experience can be saying this and someone else with equal education and experience can be saying the complete opposite.

I'd say you'd find more people with equivalent education and expertise saying the opposite, similar to the situation with Wakefield for example.

podgeandrodge · 13-05-2020 12:25AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

I'd say you'd find more people with equivalent education and expertise saying the opposite, similar to the situation with Wakefield for example.

I haven't a breeze about who is right in these things, I'd say a lot of people are a bit right sometimes.

But the rake of doctors on here clearly know better than any of them!

It annoys people for some reason, and I never heard about this lady until yesterday, but here is her resume...nuts or not

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Wow, even more background. I might even fully watch the video. Why all the hate?😀

Prof. Dr Dolores Cahill is a world-wide renowned expert in high-throughput proteomics technology development and automation, high content protein arrays and their biomedical applications, including in biomarker discovery. Her team has achieved key breakthroughs in developing high-density protein and antibody array technologies and demonstrated their applications in biological and medical research. Prof. Cahill pioneered this research area at the Max-Planck-Institute of Molecular Genetics in Berlin, Germany, and holds several international patents in this vital field. She has received the prestigious BMBF ¿BioFuture¿ Award from the German Minister of Science, the Federation of European Biochemical Societies 2009 Award and co-founded Protagen AG to commercialize her discoveries. Prof. Cahill is Professor of Translational Science at the Conway Institute, School of Medicine and Medical Sciences at the University College Dublin.

OFFICIAL INSTITUTION
hupo
Human Proteome Organization
The international scientific organization representing and promoting proteomics.

Professor of Translational Science, School of Medicine / University
College Dublin
Membership of Boards and Councils
Member Advisory Science Council to Irish Government (2005-2014)
Member International Science Advisory Board, ProNOVA Research
Institute, Sweden (2008 – 2016)
Member of International Science Review Board of German Federal
Ministry of Education & Research (BMBF & DLR) Strategic Funding
Programmes: Systems Medicine (2013-2016);Translational Medicine in
Cancer DKTK (2010-2016);Integrated Networks for Disease-Oriented
Genome Research (NGFNplus) (2010); Medical Systems Biology (2008);
Integrated Networks for Disease-Oriented Genome (NGFNplus) (2007);
Previous positions
 Seconded National Expert (SNE) to European Commission Research and Innovation (DG RTD)
Directorate, Brussels, in Unit for International Cooperation for Strategy and Policy Coordination, with Asia
& European Free Trade Area, enlargement countries, Russia & the Pacific (C1 Unit) (2013-2014).
 Co-founder and Share-holder of PROTAGEN AG, Otto-Hahn Str. 15, D-44227 Dortmund, Germany
(http://www.protagen.com/) (1997-present).
 Group Leader/Manager (BAT Ia), Protein Technologies Group, Dept. of Prof. Hans Lehrach, Max-Planck-
Institute of Molecular Genetics, D-14195 Berlin. (www.molgen.mpg.de/research/lehrach/) (1995-2003).
 E.U. ‘Human Capital& Mobility’ Post-doctoral Fellow, Technical University, Munich, Germany (1995-2003).
Fields of expertise
 High content protein and antibody arrays, proteomics
 Immunology, Autoimmunity and Cancer Research
 Diagnostics and Companion Diagnostics
 Robotic Automation, Assay Miniaturisation, High Throughput Technology Development and Data Analysis
 Patenting, Assay, PoC and Medical Devices Development, Innovation, Translation and Commercialisation

13-05-2020 12:29AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

884 new cases today in Singapore. From model to basket case in the blink of an eye.

Smaller than Louth with a population of five and a half million. Could be a very ugly situation if they don't get something done pronto.

wakka12 · 13-05-2020 12:31AM

I dont understand the situation in Singapore,I think I recall somebody saying 80-90% of all the new cases are among the migrant working class, do these workers have absolutely no contact with the local population at all? What an odd society

bekker · 13-05-2020 12:34AM

Covid Patients’ Genomes to Be Analyzed in U.K. Severity Study
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-12/covid-patients-genomes-to-be-analyzed-in-u-k-severity-study

Interesting and potentially very useful research effort, hopefully it won't be too protracted.

fritzelly · 13-05-2020 12:38AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I haven't a breeze about who is right in these things, I'd say a lot of people are a bit right sometimes.

But the rake of doctors on here clearly know better than any of them!

It annoys people for some reason, and I never heard about this lady until yesterday, but here is her resume...nuts or not

You must seriously have a vested interest in her - you've been plying her all day long, or should I say hello Dolores

growleaves · 13-05-2020 12:40AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Still waiting for answers to questions from a poster, who regularly posts conspiracy theories in here, that was championing her earlier, but couldn't use Google to find the answers to their question regarding who is advising the government, and couldn't read the appendix of the link provided that answered them.

We got the names of the medical experts advising the government but we didn't get any information on their political affiliations. So how will the hacks here know if they can trust them - since they're now dismissing scientists on the basis of which political party they belong to?

shaveAbullock · 13-05-2020 12:42AM

wakka12 wrote: »

I dont understand the situation in Singapore,I think I recall somebody saying 80-90% of all the new cases are among the migrant working class, do these workers have absolutely no contact with the local population at all? What an odd society

Covid-19 is showing that Singapore has much the same situation as wealthy middle eastern countries when it comes to migrant workers.
They are packed into overcrowded dorms. They don't earn enough to even dream of shopping or eating out in the same locations as the general population.

fritzelly · 13-05-2020 12:43AM

growleaves wrote: »

We got the names of the medical experts advising the government but we didn't get any information on their political affiliations. So how will the hacks here know if they can trust them - since they're now dismissing scientists on the basis of which political party they belong to?

What has political motivations got to do with it - jaysus this thread is turning into conspiracy central

Kermit.de.frog · 13-05-2020 12:43AM

Imagine being this guy

https://twitter.com/ReflectingMan/status/1260352125026078720

Beasty · 13-05-2020 12:44AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

It annoys people for some reason, and I never heard about this lady until yesterday, but here is her resume...nuts or not

Jack of all trades......

13-05-2020 12:50AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I haven't a breeze about who is right in these things, I'd say a lot of people are a bit right sometimes.

But the rake of doctors on here clearly know better than any of them!

It annoys people for some reason, and I never heard about this lady until yesterday, but here is her resume...nuts or not

Sort of reminds me of an argument I had with someone who tried to point out the qualifications of a Dr Gerard Casey as a defense of his involvement in the condoms don't protect against hiv/aids stickers that were placed around Dublin in the early 90s.

Just because you're educated doesn't mean that you won't let your personal beliefs or the chance for a bit of political opportunity, dictate what you sell. Same as Andrew Wakefield and how many deaths from measles has he caused by idiots believing what they read online.

13-05-2020 12:56AM

growleaves wrote: »

We got the names of the medical experts advising the government but we didn't get any information on their political affiliations. So how will the hacks here know if they can trust them - since they're now dismissing scientists on the basis of which political party they belong to?

I haven't seen any of them going on YouTube trying to score a bit of political opportunity either however, but if you find the videos let us know.

Also it'd be nice if her hacks could answer some simple questions.

bekker · 13-05-2020 12:58AM

Countries Rolling Out Coronavirus Tracking Apps Show Why They Can’t Work
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/12/coronavirus-tracking-tracing-apps-cant-work-south-korea-singapore-australia/?utm_source=PostUp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=21443&utm_term=Editors%20Picks%20OC&

Summation,
'The only way to make coronavirus tracking apps really work is to accept the burden of false alarms and track every person, all the time, everywhere. This is only possible in a totalitarian state such as China, yet even the Chinese government doesn’t have the resources to implement such extreme levels of monitoring.'

Perhaps some enterprising journalist or evan a politician at next week COVID-19 Committee hearings will press the much venerated TH as to why the HSE are wasting resources on such a futile endeavour.

This one is not directly related but interesting in the big data dilemmas it raises.
Germany’s Angst Is Killing Its Coronavirus Tracing App
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/08/germany-coronavirus-contract-tracing-pandemic-app/

WoollyRedHat · 13-05-2020 12:58AM

s1ippy wrote: »

You have to have a respiratory symptom. Many won't.

I think the problem is people having a respiratory systems to begin with, is there anyway we can look at that, just a hypothesis but maybe if we didn't have respiratory system this virus wouldn't be a problem, it could just disappear, just a thought, maybe the scientists should look more into that.

uncleoswald · 13-05-2020 01:05AM

Invincible wrote: »

Believe the propoganda if you prefer.

Why is it always those who always scream loudest about questioning everything, not trusting the MSM, and everyone else being 'sheeple', are always the first to believe random stuff they see on the internet?

Why are so many people so quick to believe that these anti-malaria drugs are so magical just because a handful of doctors claimed to have had suspiciously positive results from them? Why put so much faith in them when there is so much mistrust in what the vast majority of medical professionals say?

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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