Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

coastwatch · 12-05-2020 07:32PM

Vienna Airport now offering the PCR test for arrivals at cost of €190, to avoid the 14 day quarantine. Test result available within 3 hours.

https://www.viennaairport.com/pcrtest

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-52599554/coronavirus-tests-offered-at-vienna-airport-to-avoid-quarantine

podgeandrodge · 12-05-2020 07:35PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Sorry, perhaps medical is wrong of me. So her qualification is in molecular genetics and her PhD in immunology.
A Google tells me she's contributed to many interesting publications such as the obviously important "Ligand-directed targeting of lymphatic vessels uncovers mechanistic insights in melanoma metastasis" which, by its words alone, tells me she must be very bright

Then she's a Professor of Translational Sciences, which seemingly is "the process of turning observations in the laboratory, clinic, and community into interventions that improve the health of individuals and populations – from diagnostics and therapeutics to medical procedures and behavioral interventions".

She sounds like someone whose opinion might reasonably worth listening to. But what would I know. Or most on here!

So as asked, can you tell me why she is wrong? I genuinely would like to know. I'm not even saying she's right, but I don't close my mind to someone based on her political persuasion.

And who hasn't been wrong on Covid at some stage anyway? Apart from you of course I'm sure

Wow, even more background. I might even fully watch the video. Why all the hate?😀

Prof. Dr Dolores Cahill is a world-wide renowned expert in high-throughput proteomics technology development and automation, high content protein arrays and their biomedical applications, including in biomarker discovery. Her team has achieved key breakthroughs in developing high-density protein and antibody array technologies and demonstrated their applications in biological and medical research. Prof. Cahill pioneered this research area at the Max-Planck-Institute of Molecular Genetics in Berlin, Germany, and holds several international patents in this vital field. She has received the prestigious BMBF ¿BioFuture¿ Award from the German Minister of Science, the Federation of European Biochemical Societies 2009 Award and co-founded Protagen AG to commercialize her discoveries. Prof. Cahill is Professor of Translational Science at the Conway Institute, School of Medicine and Medical Sciences at the University College Dublin.

OFFICIAL INSTITUTION
hupo
Human Proteome Organization
The international scientific organization representing and promoting proteomics.

Professor of Translational Science, School of Medicine / University
College Dublin
Membership of Boards and Councils
Member Advisory Science Council to Irish Government (2005-2014)
Member International Science Advisory Board, ProNOVA Research
Institute, Sweden (2008 – 2016)
Member of International Science Review Board of German Federal
Ministry of Education & Research (BMBF & DLR) Strategic Funding
Programmes: Systems Medicine (2013-2016);Translational Medicine in
Cancer DKTK (2010-2016);Integrated Networks for Disease-Oriented
Genome Research (NGFNplus) (2010); Medical Systems Biology (2008);
Integrated Networks for Disease-Oriented Genome (NGFNplus) (2007);
Previous positions
 Seconded National Expert (SNE) to European Commission Research and Innovation (DG RTD)
Directorate, Brussels, in Unit for International Cooperation for Strategy and Policy Coordination, with Asia
& European Free Trade Area, enlargement countries, Russia & the Pacific (C1 Unit) (2013-2014).
 Co-founder and Share-holder of PROTAGEN AG, Otto-Hahn Str. 15, D-44227 Dortmund, Germany
(http://www.protagen.com/) (1997-present).
 Group Leader/Manager (BAT Ia), Protein Technologies Group, Dept. of Prof. Hans Lehrach, Max-Planck-
Institute of Molecular Genetics, D-14195 Berlin. (www.molgen.mpg.de/research/lehrach/) (1995-2003).
 E.U. ‘Human Capital& Mobility’ Post-doctoral Fellow, Technical University, Munich, Germany (1995-2003).
Fields of expertise
 High content protein and antibody arrays, proteomics
 Immunology, Autoimmunity and Cancer Research
 Diagnostics and Companion Diagnostics
 Robotic Automation, Assay Miniaturisation, High Throughput Technology Development and Data Analysis
 Patenting, Assay, PoC and Medical Devices Development, Innovation, Translation and Commercialisation

Rob A. Bank · 12-05-2020 07:35PM

Stheno wrote: »

Jesus Christ, way to misinterpret something

He said they are of limited use, not that we'll do anything you suggested

It could well be that if they so introduce screening at airports, and someone has a temperature it flags them up as needing to be tested and possibly quarantined whilst awaiting results

And on the flip side what about the other half of infected people who dont have a temperature? Do you let them just swan on through?

The solution is likely more complex if we do allow travellers in tbh

He has been singing that same ridiculous tune since this pandemic started... never mind that all the Asian countries, who have succeeded in suppressing the virus, have thermal cameras in practically every building frequented by the public.

And where did he get the notion that only 50% of cases have a temperature from ?

According to Wang et al. in a case series of the 138 consecutive hospitalized patients with confirmed Covid-19... 136 of them had a fever that is 98.6%.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044?guestAccessKey=f61bd430-07d8-4b86-a749-bec05bfffb65

Eod100 · 12-05-2020 07:36PM

coastwatch wrote: »

Vienna Airport now offering the PCR test for arrivals at cost of €190, to avoid the 14 day quarantine. Test result available within 3 hours.

https://www.viennaairport.com/pcrtest

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-52599554/coronavirus-tests-offered-at-vienna-airport-to-avoid-quarantine

That's fairly handy. Would get fairly expensive if you're a regular flyer though!

RugbyLad11 · 12-05-2020 07:36PM

coastwatch wrote: »

Vienna Airport now offering the PCR test for arrivals at cost of €190, to avoid the 14 day quarantine. Test result available within 3 hours.

https://www.viennaairport.com/pcrtest

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-52599554/coronavirus-tests-offered-at-vienna-airport-to-avoid-quarantine

That's actually a really good idea

Micky 32 · 12-05-2020 07:37PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Testing capacity is 90,000, yet tests done is 44,000. There's either 1) people not looking for referrals or 2) a delay somewhere

A test centre in Longford opened recently and everytime i drive by it it’s always closed. Good to see obviously no demand for it.

moonage · 12-05-2020 07:37PM

RIP to the 100+ who have died since yesterday.

RugbyLad11 · 12-05-2020 07:38PM

Eod100 wrote: »

That's fairly handy. Would get fairly expensive if you're a regular flyer though!

14 days quarantine would cost more than 190e

uncleoswald · 12-05-2020 07:38PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Can you explain precisely where she is wrong, do you work in this field? Or do you measure the opinion of a medical expert (be she right, wrong, or in-between) by her political views?

There are historians who doubt the Holocaust, engineers who think the world trade centre was caused by controlled demolition and biologists who claim evolution is a lie. There are always outliers to any commonly accepted fact.

Sometimes these outliers have genuine concerns and motivations. But often they hold views and have a track record that suggest they have come to their conclusions because of bias. That bias can from antisemitism, religious fundamentalism, politics or financial self-interest and is usually some sort of mix of all of them.

The question I'd ask you is why, as a layperson, would you put faith in her opinion above the majority of those in her field?

Stheno · 12-05-2020 07:38PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

1 of them symptoms, it's pretty broad. Fever, cough or shortness of breath is a very large majority cases.

1. A patient with acute respiratory infection (sudden onset of at least one of the following: cough, fever, shortness of breath) AND with
no other aetiology that fully explains the clinical presentation;
OR
2. A patient with any acute respiratory illness AND having been in close contact1 with a confirmed or probable2
COVID-19 case in the last
14 days prior to onset of symptoms

They said today they are going to broaden the criteria further

Personally I think at this stage the antibody testing is equally important especially given how strict the testing criteria were

An Ciarraioch · 12-05-2020 07:40PM

moonage wrote: »

RIP to the 100+ who have died since yesterday.

Have there even been 100 dead in the last week?

Micky 32 · 12-05-2020 07:40PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

14 days quarantine would cost more than 190e

I’d have no problem paying it.

Stheno · 12-05-2020 07:42PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

He has been singing that same ridiculous tune since this pandemic started... never mind that all the Asian countries, who have succeeded in suppressing the virus, have thermal cameras in practically every building frequented by the public.

And where did he get the notion that only 50% of cases have a temperature from ?

According to Wang et al. in a case series of the 138 consecutive hospitalized patients with confirmed Covid-19... 136 of them had a fever that is 98.6%.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761044?guestAccessKey=f61bd430-07d8-4b86-a749-bec05bfffb65

138 is an enormous amount alright :rolleyes:

Perhaps the amount of as uh symptomatic cases they've seen through residential care settings or that have tested positive since they relaxed the criteria have lead to this being discovered?

You know, analysis of the data presenting?

Hes hardly going to make it up now, is he?

Stheno · 12-05-2020 07:44PM

coastwatch wrote: »

Vienna Airport now offering the PCR test for arrivals at cost of €190, to avoid the 14 day quarantine. Test result available within 3 hours.

https://www.viennaairport.com/pcrtest

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-52599554/coronavirus-tests-offered-at-vienna-airport-to-avoid-quarantine

That a great idea

podgeandrodge · 12-05-2020 07:45PM

uncleoswald wrote: »

There are historians who doubt the Holocaust, engineers who think the world trade centre was caused by controlled demolition and biologists who claim evolution is a lie. There are always outliers to any commonly accepted fact.

Sometimes these outliers have genuine concerns and motivations. But often they hold views and have a track record that suggest they have come to their conclusions because of bias. That bias can from antisemitism, religious fundamentalism, politics or financial self-interest and is usually some sort of mix of all of them.

The question I'd ask you is why, as a layperson, would you put faith in her opinion above the majority of those in her field?

If you cared to read my previous posts, I have explicitly stated that I don't know whether she is right or wrong on anything. Simply that she appears, to me, to have a background that makes her opinions as valid as anyone else.

And my point to other posters is that she shouldn't be written off as a 'kook', "loon" etc just because she might have different views. I presume you would agree with me on that.

Beechwoodspark · 12-05-2020 07:46PM

At this stage pubs and clubs should remain shut until 2021.

GazzaL · 12-05-2020 07:49PM

They've been talking about achieving 15,000 tests per day (105,000 per week) since at least the 19th March. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0319/1124042-coronavirus-ireland/

Nearly 8 weeks later, after repeated promises, the HSE are only at 50-60,000 test per week. They have repeatedly failed to hit the target, a target which they set themselves. This has already resulted in a 2 week delay to commence the Reopening Plan, which means increased job losses, social deprivation, hospitals lying empty and ill people not receiving the medical treatments that they require. They're now starting to make the same noises that they did in the lead up to the 5th March.

They are blaming communications, phone numbers and computers. Ireland in 2020, and we can't communicate properly?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/we-have-more-work-to-do-says-dr-holohan-as-covid-19-deaths-rise-by-24-999124.html

We can't leave the HSE to hold the country to ransom because of their failure. It is a failed organisation. We could be in lockdown for decades if we're waiting for them to hit that target.

nacho libre · 12-05-2020 07:51PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Have there even been 100 dead in the last week?

I assume he is refering to the average daily death total in Ireland combined with the excess deaths at this time from Covid 19.

anplaya27 · 12-05-2020 07:52PM

GazzaL wrote: »

They've been talking about achieving 15,000 tests per day (105,000 per week) since at least the 19th March. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0319/1124042-coronavirus-ireland/

Nearly 8 weeks later, after repeated promises, the HSE are only at 50-60,000 test per week. They have repeated failed to hit the target, a target which they set themselves. This has already resulted in a 2 week delay to commence the Reopening Plan, which means increased job losses, social deprivation, hospitals lying empty and ill people not receiving the medical treatments that they require. They're now starting to make the same noises that they did in the lead up to the 5th March.

They are blaming communications, phone numbers and computers. Ireland in 2020, and we can't communicate properly?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/we-have-more-work-to-do-says-dr-holohan-as-covid-19-deaths-rise-by-24-999124.html

We can't leave the HSE to hold the country to ransom because of their failure. It is a failed organisation. We could be in lockdown for decades if we're waiting for them to hit that target.

Def a failure. I got tested 2nd May. Colleagues 7th of May. They have their results. I'm still waiting. Ridiculous.

FVP3 · 12-05-2020 07:52PM

Hooter23 wrote: »

Like Trump said the virus will go away without a vaccine...the reality is most of the world has already probably been infected and giving people a vaccine which has been created in a few months is going to do more harm than good... and we dont know the long term effects of these vaccines anyway...

Trump has dumbed down the world.

Rob A. Bank · 12-05-2020 07:53PM

Stheno wrote: »

138 is an enormous amount alright :rolleyes:

Perhaps the amount of as uh symptomatic cases they've seen through residential care settings or that have tested positive since they relaxed the criteria have lead to this being discovered?

You know, analysis of the data presenting?

Hes hardly going to make it up now, is he?

98.6% of Covid-19 cases having a fever is an enormous amount... and that is why temperature screening is so important in order to detect active virus cases.

I don't know the man, so I am not in a position to judge if he is making things up or not.

But to come up with a position on temperature screening that flies in the face of all accepted international screening methods is certainly curious.

Perhaps he does not want to be proved wrong yet again ?

owlbethere · 12-05-2020 07:54PM

nacho libre wrote: »

So what is the point of being cautious by easing restrictions slowly, if we are just going to allow people from one of the worst affected countries in Europe in without them having to quarantine upon arrival. They'll have their temperature checked at the airport, but that's not of much use if less than 50 per cent of infected people present with this symptom.

I'm fuming at our government for allowing such a fcuking mess and inviting disease to come into our country. Italians coming in March comes to mind and Cheltenham goers returning. Here we are now with still no quarantine measures for arrivals into the country.

Australia is doing so good with this virus. No new cases today. Schools are opening up again next week. It's amazing work they have done especially considering they have a large Chinese people there especially in the cities.

Eod100 · 12-05-2020 07:55PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

14 days quarantine would cost more than 190e

No doubt. Less than 14e a day so when you work it out that way so it's pretty good value.

uncleoswald · 12-05-2020 07:57PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

If you cared to read my previous posts, I have explicitly stated that I don't know whether she is right or wrong on anything. Simply that she appears, to me, to have a background that makes her opinions as valid as anyone else.

And my point to other posters is that she shouldn't be written off as a 'kook', "loon" etc just because she might have different views. I presume you would agree with me on that.

My opinion is her 'different views' suggests a strong probability of bias.

fritzelly · 12-05-2020 07:58PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

If you cared to read my previous posts, I have explicitly stated that I don't know whether she is right or wrong on anything. Simply that she appears, to me, to have a background that makes her opinions as valid as anyone else.

And my point to other posters is that she shouldn't be written off as a 'kook', "loon" etc just because she might have different views. I presume you would agree with me on that.

...spends all day pushing her agenda...

:rolleyes:

Stheno · 12-05-2020 07:58PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

98.6% of Covid-19 cases having a fever is an enormous amount... and that is why temperature screening is so important in order to detect active virus cases.

I don't know the man, so I am not in a position to judge if he is making things up or not.

But to come up with a position on temperature screening that flies in the face of all accepted international screening methods is certainly curious.

Perhaps he does not want to be proved wrong yet again ?

I've no idea tbh personally I think either all travellers into the country get tested at point of entry and quarantined in e.g. airport hotels until they get results and if positive are quarantined in those hotels at their own cost.

There needs to be much stricter oversight of incoming travellers full stop

P2C · 12-05-2020 07:59PM

My understanding is there are plenty of tests kits and loads of capacity in the system The mass testing in nursing homes and residential care is nearly completed. They changed the criteria back to what it was originally with any symptom and no special purpose group. Apparently the testing centres are still very quite.

12-05-2020 08:01PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

If you cared to read my previous posts, I have explicitly stated that I don't know whether she is right or wrong on anything. Simply that she appears, to me, to have a background that makes her opinions as valid as anyone else.

And my point to other posters is that she shouldn't be written off as a 'kook', "loon" etc just because she might have different views. I presume you would agree with me on that.

I agree with you 100% on this I have to say. That's like saying tom cruise has no valuable opinion on succeeding in making movies because he's a Scientologist. I'm sure they'd have told Benjamin Franklin he was a loon when he went out to fly a kite in a storm, or when Columbus sailed off the flat earths edge, they all laughed. or even when no matter who said they they had the missing elements and despite him not even having the answers himself, Mendelev said, you dont!! and he was right.. today he;d be called a loon.
he was very qualified in his field but there was less politics, profit and big pharma at that time, not to mention anti social media.

tobefrank321 · 12-05-2020 08:02PM

expectationlost wrote: »

12 hospitalised meat workers, 500 cases of covid

2.5% hospitalisation rate which seems to be about the norm so far. In a group of 500 you'd expect a small number to have fairly significant underlying conditions.

On the other side 488 were not hospitalised.

Rob A. Bank · 12-05-2020 08:04PM

Stheno wrote: »

I've no idea tbh personally I think either all travellers into the country get tested at point of entry and quarantined in e.g. airport hotels until they get results and if positive are quarantined in those hotels at their own cost.

There needs to be much stricter oversight of incoming travellers full stop

I agree with you 100%.

But will they do it ?

Preserving the common travel area between Britain and Ireland seems to be of more importance than keeping the virus out of the country... unfortunately.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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