Masks

kingtut · 12-05-2020 05:19PM

Stark wrote: »

Not sure of those people's motives but the point of wearing masks is not to protect the wearers, it's to protect other people from the wearers.

Oh I realise that which is why I said

"the people who are wearing masks in order to prevent themselves from getting covid-19"

i.e. the people who are wearing them purely because they think they will not get covid

Colibri wrote: »

The idea of masks isn't to protect themselves, it's to protect others. But, I do see your point. Even a pair of glasses can offer protection!

Considering it can enter through the eyes, nose or mouth they really should cover all basis.

khalessi · 12-05-2020 05:21PM

Yes: surgical

Colibri wrote: »

The idea of masks isn't to protect themselves, it's to protect others. But, I do see your point. Even a pair of glasses can offer protection!

Well when I was nursing I was told to wear a mask to protect myself from getting anything from patient

is_that_so · 12-05-2020 05:23PM

No: other

kingtut wrote: »

Oh I realise that which is why I said

"the people who are wearing masks in order to prevent themselves from getting covid-19"

i.e. the people who are wearing them purely because they think they will not get covid

Considering it can enter through the eyes, nose or mouth they really should cover all basis.

The notion that a mask might be protecting someone else is very counter-intuitive. People wear what they wear for self-protection.

xhomelezz · 12-05-2020 05:24PM

Yes: valved

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/coronavirus-masks-5096561-May2020/

Just came across this one. Government and HSE they can just go and f.. themselves. Testing and contact tracing is still bloody joke, because of waiting time.. Everyone should wear a mask period. I know plenty of us posting here are wearing masks, but to make them work it needs to be most of the nation wearing them. Imagine you walk in the room with ten people and you are the only one wearing mask, makes no difference, but if all wear them...

kingtut · 12-05-2020 05:24PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The notion that a mask might be protecting someone else is very counter-intuitive. People wear what they wear for self-protection.

The results of the poll say differently.

Stark · 12-05-2020 05:28PM

No: other

is_that_so wrote: »

The notion that a mask might be protecting someone else is very counter-intuitive. People wear what they wear for self-protection.

Hence why it really needs to be a top-down mandate.

is_that_so · 12-05-2020 05:28PM

No: other

kingtut wrote: »

The results of the poll say differently.

Basing any mature reflection on Boards polls is not advisable!

kingtut · 12-05-2020 05:32PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Basing any mature reflection on Boards polls is not advisable!

I think it is as decent as any other poll. If you were to ask the general public then I'm sure there would be a mix of people wearing masks to protect themselves / protect others / protect both.

Based on that I understand people wearing masks if it is to protect others but if it is to protect yourself then why not wear goggles also?? I've only seen frontline staff wearing them.

is_that_so · 12-05-2020 05:32PM

No: other

Stark wrote: »

Hence why it really needs to be a top-down mandate.

It won't be, they have been keen to point that out. TBH will there even be a perceived need by the time we get to Phase 3 , never mind beyond?

Colibri · 12-05-2020 05:33PM

Yes: valved

Stark wrote: »

Hence why it really needs to be a top-down mandate.

I fear the govt. will just use very soft words, saying it could be beneficial in certain situations.

I (hopefully) could be wrong as I'd love them to be mandatory!

is_that_so · 12-05-2020 05:34PM

No: other

kingtut wrote: »

I think it is as decent as any other poll. If you were to ask the general public then I'm sure there would be a mix of people wearing masks to protect themselves / protect others / protect both.

Based on that I understand people wearing masks if it is to protect others but if it is to protect yourself then why not wear goggles also?? I've only seen frontline staff wearing them.

Well I've seen 1 in ten and fewer in masks and the higher numbers tend to be in supermarkets.

kingtut · 12-05-2020 05:38PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well I've seen 1 in ten and fewer in masks and the higher numbers tend to be in supermarkets.

1 in 10 wearing goggles? Can I ask where that is? I wonder if it is just to do with the culture in a certain town / area? Kinda like the way in the states each state has a completely different outlook on everything (granted each state is wayyyyyyyyy bigger than any of our counties!)

Seanergy · 12-05-2020 05:47PM

Yes: valved

McGiver wrote: »

Print 1 page flyers on how to make it, how to wear it - deliver to all households. Tell retailers and public transport to enforce it. Done and dusted.

Yeah or maybe seeing the State is taking so long get printing and get posting!!!

is_that_so wrote: »

They played it down, not believing it to be a significant element of the spread. I don't think there is enough research yet to clarify that part.

There are afew dodgy decisions with regard to masks that were made around a few key dates that the newly elected chair of the COVID-19 committee is being asked to investigate.

kingtut wrote: »

Also the amount of people I see wearing masks incorrectly is insane!

Zero instruction from sellers, HSE or State. What doya expect?

is_that_so wrote: »

The notion that a mask might be protecting someone else is very counter-intuitive. People wear what they wear for self-protection.

It's not seen as counter intuitive in France.

The public understand they are being asked to wear masks as a precautionary principle.

Infected persons are being asked to wear surgical masks to protect their entourage.

Medical personnel are wearing FFP2 masks and grades above to avoid catching the virus.

We don't have enough masks for the Frontline.
We don't have enough masks for the sick.
We don't want the public buying up any available supplies so we are going to slowly advise/suggest making their own facecoverings.

is_that_so · 12-05-2020 05:51PM

No: other

kingtut wrote: »

1 in 10 wearing goggles? Can I ask where that is? I wonder if it is just to do with the culture in a certain town / area? Kinda like the way in the states each state has a completely different outlook on everything (granted each state is wayyyyyyyyy bigger than any of our counties!)

Nope masks

owlbethere · 12-05-2020 05:52PM

I think I might be doing a bit of a U turn on the masks. Before now I think I was somewhat in favour of them for public indoor environments. Not so much any more:

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/05/warning-prolonged-use-of-facemask-produces-hypoxia/

Maybe for short usage like going into a grocery shop but that's about it.

xhomelezz · 12-05-2020 05:56PM

Yes: valved

owlbethere wrote: »

I think I might be doing a bit of a U turn on the masks. Before now I think I was somewhat in favour of them for public indoor environments. Not so much any more:

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/05/warning-prolonged-use-of-facemask-produces-hypoxia/

Maybe for short usage like going into a grocery shop but that's about it.

That's why, when you read any DIY instructions how to make one, they say they have to be breathable. That article says absolutely nothing btw..

owlbethere · 12-05-2020 06:02PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

That's why, when you read any DIY instructions how to make one, they say they have to be breathable. That article says absolutely nothing btw..

I was wearing a cotton mask last night. Cotton is considered a breathable fabric. I did feel smothered after about 25 minutes or so.

Colibri · 12-05-2020 06:15PM

Yes: valved

owlbethere wrote: »

I think I might be doing a bit of a U turn on the masks. Before now I think I was somewhat in favour of them for public indoor environments. Not so much any more:

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/05/warning-prolonged-use-of-facemask-produces-hypoxia/

Maybe for short usage like going into a grocery shop but that's about it.

Doesn't appear to be a problem.

https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/fact-check-can-prolonged-use-of-masks-cause-oxygen-deficiency-and-fatigue-1676405-2020-05-10

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/masks-dangerous-health/

Don't know why there's a sudden rush to get this message out. It appeared very, very recently.

Lots of people now believe it because of this facebook post -

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Wahh hang on, huge image

Away With The Fairies · 12-05-2020 09:05PM

Yes: valved

I'm not sure if I'd even feel safe if everybody wore masks. I'm seeing so much wearing them wrong, under noses, on heads, over beards. Take it off and have a chat.

xhomelezz · 12-05-2020 09:17PM

Yes: valved

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm not sure if I'd even feel safe if everybody wore masks. I'm seeing so much wearing them wrong, under noses, on heads, over beards. Take it off and have a chat.

I think it comes with the lack of instructions from HSE and government, if they make it mandatory to wear them plus a bit of info how to wear them, most of the people will just go with the flow. Their talks and debates on masks are just useless and confusing for the most of population here. And as I said before, people who are not able follow easy rules around the masks are hardly following any other measures..

alentejo · 12-05-2020 10:01PM

I am assumin mask wearing will not be mandatory? (with the exception of p transport possibly)

xhomelezz · 12-05-2020 10:09PM

Yes: valved

alentejo wrote: »

I am assumin mask wearing will not be mandatory? (with the exception of p transport possibly)

Not unless our leadership will show a bit of common sense and grow a pair of balls. More likely scenario is they gonna talk themselves to nowhere, so we gonna keep hearing about ramping up this and that, without providing some real facts..but for sure they'll keep talking to earn their wages

McGiver · 12-05-2020 10:11PM

No: I don't care enough

owlbethere wrote: »

I think I might be doing a bit of a U turn on the masks. Before now I think I was somewhat in favour of them for public indoor environments. Not so much any more:

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/05/warning-prolonged-use-of-facemask-produces-hypoxia/

Maybe for short usage like going into a grocery shop but that's about it.

No references. And the picture shows industrial grade valved masks. Different business. And in the absence of proper references it's doubtful.

Does it mean medical staff suffocate?.....

Stark · 12-05-2020 10:13PM

No: other

Reduced oxygen intake is a known issue for respirator masks. General public is not going to be asked to wear those.

McGiver · 12-05-2020 10:14PM

No: I don't care enough

Colibri wrote: »

Doesn't appear to be a problem.

https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/fact-check-can-prolonged-use-of-masks-cause-oxygen-deficiency-and-fatigue-1676405-2020-05-10

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/masks-dangerous-health/

Don't know why there's a sudden rush to get this message out. It appeared very, very recently.

Lots of people now believe it because of this facebook post -

Wahh hang on, huge image

This Doc FB guy is a crackpot.... Fake news.

watlantic · 12-05-2020 10:20PM

I knew it. Masks are the new tinfoil hats :cool: !

Seanergy · 13-05-2020 10:03AM

Yes: valved

Stark wrote: »

Reduced oxygen intake is a known issue for respirator masks. General public is not going to be asked to wear those.

I was told in March or April that it's Respirator's and them alone that the WHO had been trying to protect supply of from early FEB.

The affects of reduced oxygen intake when wearing masks is now starting to circulate online as a scare tatic by anit mask theorists.

The headline readers are soaking it up and using it to reafirm their beliefs/arguements.

I have worn various respirators and masks due to work over the years. As I have gotten older and wiser I tend to give myself breather breaks.

It's going to be the new smoke break at work, for some, eventually.

Midlife crisis man · 13-05-2020 10:05AM

Where can I buy reusable masks and will I need extra filters for it?
Should we all be using N95 grade masks or will disposal surgical masks suffice?

is_that_so · 13-05-2020 10:28AM

No: other

Midlife crisis man wrote: »

Where can I buy reusable masks and will I need extra filters for it?
Should we all be using N95 grade masks or will disposal surgical masks suffice?

I think it'll be face covering advice, so definitely not N95.

Seanergy · 13-05-2020 10:59AM

Yes: valved

watlantic wrote: »

I knew it. Masks are the new tinfoil hats :cool: !

You are very close but it's just the other way.

IMHO The Tinfoil hats are on those who refuse to accept that the main route of transmission is mouth.

There is a strong percentage of non believers in mask's for various reasons nationwide. Mainly because they let themselves be brainwashed all too easily and Irish media have been beating the anti-mask drum for months. IM have a tremendous mountain to climb, is what's going to happen on Pat Kenny tomorrow with Prof O'Neill the start of it or is it just going to add to the noise?

Opinions obvs, but is this a ploy to fully discredit the Prof and if so for his initial stance or for his u-turn? Is Pat Kenny going to thrash him tomorrow or just trash talk with him?

Any doctor or professor who is going to use valuable media time to cover COVID-19 in this manner shouldn't get my support. I'm going to decide tomorrow.

Prof Luke O'Neil was criticized way back in this thread for his anti mask stance on nationwide TV. He was then rightly defended in thread because he made a U-turn on his stance.

I'm starting to form the opinion that his likeable and enthusiatic character has gotten dazzled like a rabbit in headlights.

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