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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #3092
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Strazdas wrote: »
    It's somewhat unclear. Some outdoor tourism and public amenities will reopen but from what I can gather, people are still being encouraged not to sunbathe and they should keep moving when out in the open. They don't want a scenario where people congregate in one area for hours and don't move (even if they maintain social distancing).

    I think the new limit next week is 20km, not 5km.

    The increase to 20kms is on June 8th


  • #3093
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    Strazdas wrote: »
    It's somewhat unclear. Some outdoor tourism and public amenities will reopen but from what I can gather, people are still being encouraged not to sunbathe and they should keep moving when out in the open. They don't want a scenario where people congregate in one area for hours and don't move (even if they maintain social distancing).

    I think the new limit next week is 20km, not 5km.

    I could be wrong but I think the 20km limit is not until June or July


  • #3094
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    https://english.elpais.com/economy_and_business/2020-05-12/will-the-office-become-a-thing-of-the-past-in-spain.html

    Offices may never return to normal .... sigh...

    even the most pessimistic views , in 3 years time this shouldn't be an issue anymore with most of the world vaccinated or with herd immunity kicked in.

    Why wouldn't they return to normal ?
    future pandemics ? - a roughly once a century event ??

    I remember after 9/11 people were saying the age of the tall building is OVER , and they will start building huge structures underground instead - people seem to be very short sighted during a crisis - and yes I include myself here...

    There is no guarantee of either 'herd immunity' (no evidence of long term immunity for other coronaviruses) , or a vaccine.


  • #3095
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    From the WHO on their big solidarity trial, but no cure anywhere in sight
    The World Health Organization said on Tuesday that some treatments appear to be limiting the severity or length of the Covid-19 respiratory disease and that it was focusing on learning more about four or five of the most promising ones.


  • #3096
    [Deleted User]
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    ek motor wrote: »
    There is no guarantee of either 'herd immunity' (no evidence of long term immunity for other coronaviruses) , or a vaccine.

    Millions of cases worldwide and months later and a few stories out of certain places that have been attributed to everything except reinfection.

    Can you detail how that evidence would be gotten? What's the process.. Does a government force a citizen to try to get reinfected?

    Explain it to me. How do you prove it.


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  • #3097
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Stheno wrote: »
    Nope the 20km doesn't come in till the 8th of June :(

    Oh right.....well, that rules out many of the beaches, tourist attractions and public amenities anyway then for many people (and means Gardai still have the right to stop anyone going to them who doesn't live near them).


  • #3098
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    https://www.salon.com/2020/05/09/deborah-birx-reportedly-tells-task-force-she-can-trust-nothing-from-the-cdc_partner/

    Birx fighting with the CDC?


  • #3099
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    Does anybody know the protocol for visiting an elderly parent who lives quite a distance away, Meath to Limerick?

    Is it possible to get clearance from Guards for special circumstances- father in law has been unwell for years and is now suffering badly with his mental health. Hasn’t seen his daughter since February and is struggling big time, saying some dark stuff about not carrying on by phone and text. She is beside herself with worry. She doesn’t drive so was going to drive her down for a social distance meeting up for an hour and drive back as I think it would make a huge difference to them both.
    I would just take matters in my own hands and go ahead but feel the chances of getting through a dozen checkpoints and having to tell the story each time are slim.

    Any thoughts?

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #3100
    New Home
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    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Does anybody know the protocol for visiting an elderly parent who lives quite a distance away, Meath to Limerick?

    Is it possible to get clearance from Guards for special circumstances- father in law has been unwell for years and is now suffering badly with his mental health. Hasn’t seen his daughter since February and is struggling big time, saying some dark stuff about not carrying on by phone and text. She is beside herself with worry. She doesn’t drive so was going to drive her down for a social distance meeting up for an hour and drive back as I think it would make a huge difference to them both.
    I would just take matters in my own hands and go ahead but feel the chances of getting through a dozen checkpoints and having to tell the story each time are slim.

    Any thoughts?

    Ring the Gardaí and ask them - I seem to remember there was a clause re: compassionate grounds and looking after people who were cocooning.


  • #3101
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    hmmm wrote: »
    A number of businesses are finding that staff enjoy working from home, and they are not seeing any productivity differences. If you're a CFO seeing this, it would make sense to seriously consider whether you need to have all the office space you currently have.

    I don't expect offices to go back before 2021 realistically. It's going to be difficult to ask all your staff to get back on public transport/queue in traffic when they have become accustomed to working from home. I think the workplace of the future is going to be primarily remote, or possibly hybrid at best. Companies with everyone working in an office will be seen as dinosaurs.
    There is only one result certain when attempting to predict the future, failure.

    If office spacing restrictions remain in place in the medium term, how will large companies with high tech office space on long leases react to having their m2/employee cost rise by a factor of 2-5 or maybe much higher. That's before considering possible mandatory HVAC upgrades.

    It is unlikely that the lessor will look favourably on reduction of their income, which implies that the employers' space costs will remain high while they are faced with funding employees home office setups, and possibly tax liabilities arising therefrom.

    Closing their Irish operations will probably be one of the options examined.


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  • #3102
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Test, test test! China are really going for it!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/wuhan-plans-to-test-all-11-million-residents-for-coronavirus


  • #3103
    [Deleted User]
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    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Does anybody know the protocol for visiting an elderly parent who lives quite a distance away, Meath to Limerick?

    Is it possible to get clearance from Guards for special circumstances- father in law has been unwell for years and is now suffering badly with his mental health. Hasn’t seen his daughter since February and is struggling big time, saying some dark stuff about not carrying on by phone and text. She is beside herself with worry. She doesn’t drive so was going to drive her down for a social distance meeting up for an hour and drive back as I think it would make a huge difference to them both.
    I would just take matters in my own hands and go ahead but feel the chances of getting through a dozen checkpoints and having to tell the story each time are slim.

    Any thoughts?

    Definitely allowed in this instance:
    From the HSE Website:
    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself-and-others.html#stay-at-home
    Everyone needs to stay at home to help slow the spread of coronavirus.

    You should only leave your home to:

    shop for essential food and household goods
    attend medical appointments, collect medicine or other health products
    care for children, older people or other vulnerable people - this excludes social family visits
    exercise outdoors - within 5 kilometres of your home and only with people from your household - keeping 2 metres between you and other people
    travel to work if you provide an essential service - be sure to practice social distancing


  • #3104
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Test, test test! China are really going for it!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/wuhan-plans-to-test-all-11-million-residents-for-coronavirus


    Seems like the old sledge hammer approach to crack a nut. The Chinese don't do things by halves.


  • #3105
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/shocking-two-thirds-patients-recently-hospitalized-ny-had-been-staying-n1201421


  • #3106
    Kermit.de.frog
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    UK reports 627 new deaths and 3,403 new cases


  • #3107
    Drumpot
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    Flights are going to be an interesting topic.

    If a country has gotten their numbers down or close to zero, then there is few , if any people who will be able to spread the virus. Taking in flights from any country could be the undoing of all that work. Without proper quarantine procedures and quick responses it seems like this will be the biggest issue with 2nd waves.

    But its never really been (that I can see or hear) properly highlighted or at least its not discussed like the social distancing and mask wearing strategy's. Is it because of the economic impact of the airline industrys if they are highlighted as a serious issue for spread ? This is the only reason why I can think flights are basically not completely off the table.

    Next to having a massive orgy with strangers, there arent many things worse then a flight that I can think of spreading it if you are infected, especially if you use public transport.

    - Bus/Train to Airport
    - Time in airport - shops, toilets, resterauts, pubs
    - Time queing with passengers
    - Time on plane - using toilet, walking around, even sneezing/coughing in one spot and the air being locked in
    - Getting off plan again with loads of people (we have seen photos of the impracticality of social distancing on planes)
    - Going through terminals,
    - Getting public transport to hotel
    - Checking into Hotel
    - Using hotel bar/resteraunt

    You could all these things in a few hours and its just impossible to work out how many people you might of infected.

    But it feels like this is not really being discussed for economic and political reasons.

    The counter argument might be the impractical nature of closing down flights/ports to tourists or business people who may need to do business in Ireland. I would say let business people in, but in a very restrictive manner. Tourism wont die as Irish people still need to go on holidays themselves so this should replace some of the lost tourism.

    But regardless of the counter argument, there is no meaningful discussions on the impacts of flights. Really is a good reminder of how much discussion can be manipulated away from science for certain agendas.


  • #3108
    Hector Savage
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    From the WHO on their big solidarity trial, but no cure anywhere in sight

    This looks promising ...

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-3-drug-combo-treatment-may-be-successful


  • #3109
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Bryan Adams has made an expletive-filled attack on Chinese people

    on his Instagram page, the Canadian singer wrote:

    ''Tonight was supposed to be the beginning of a tenancy of gigs at the @royalalberthall, but thanks to some f**king bat eating, wet market animal selling, virus making greedy Chinese bastards, the whole world is now on hold, not to mention the thousands that have suffered or died from this virus. My message to them ‘thanks a f**king lot’

    There has been unreported cases as far back as December all over. It may not have even started in China, they were just the first to report it.


  • #3110
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Bryan Adams has made an expletive-filled attack on Chinese people

    on his Instagram page, the Canadian singer wrote:

    ''Tonight was supposed to be the beginning of a tenancy of gigs at the @royalalberthall, but thanks to some f**king bat eating, wet market animal selling, virus making greedy Chinese bastards, the whole world is now on hold, not to mention the thousands that have suffered or died from this virus. My message to them ‘thanks a f**king lot’

    That blows the theory of Canadians being mild mannered an inoffensive out of the water.


  • #3111
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Millions of cases worldwide and months later and a few stories out of certain places that have been attributed to everything except reinfection.

    Can you detail how that evidence would be gotten? What's the process.. Does a government force a citizen to try to get reinfected?

    Explain it to me. How do you prove it.


    You don't prove a negative. There is no guarantee, we won't know for a number of years.


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  • #3112
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    This looks promising ...

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-3-drug-combo-treatment-may-be-successful
    The more successful options the better!


  • #3113
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    bekker wrote: »
    If office spacing restrictions remain in place in the medium term, how will large companies with high tech office space on long leases react to having their m2/employee cost rise by a factor of 2-5 or maybe much higher. That's before considering possible mandatory HVAC upgrades.
    Where's the benefit to any desk-bound organisation retooling their office space in order to bring back a socially-distanced 1/4 of their staff for what is a hopefully 12-18 month problem, many of whom probably won't want to come back (or travel on public transport). I find the whole idea that offices will come back, before a vaccine, just pie in the sky. It'll be remote working until a vaccine or some other breakthrough.

    In the longer term, it's hard to predict what happens, but after workers have been working from home for a year there will be an element of normality in that, and returning to an office will be seen as an imposition for many. I expect smart CFOs will look to make use of this, assuming that productivity numbers have held up. The commercial office with humans exhausted from commutes, packed into a noisy virus-spreading open plan space, looks a bit like an antiquated work practice.

    Whatever about multi-nationals leaving Ireland as a consequence, there is the bigger risk I think that a shift to remote working may mean that location is seen as less of an issue when hiring, which wouldn't be good for these various "hubs" we are trying to encourage in certain areas.


  • #3114
    tobefrank321
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    Seamai wrote: »
    That blows the theory of Canadians being mild mannered an inoffensive out of the water.

    Sad thing is people will probably call him a racist now or something like that when its clearly not the case.

    The Chinese have an awful lot to answer for. Their behaviour one way or another has brought human civilisation to its knees, which is no mean feat. It will take years to recover from this. As one of their own researchers said a few years ago, wet markets are a bomb waiting to happen. They have now managed to destroy the airline industry, the cruise industry, hospitality industry, Irish pubs, and many many more businesses. All because of their eating habits. You'd think they'd learn from the past, but nope, full steam ahead.


  • #3115
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Seamai wrote: »
    That blows the theory of Canadians being mild mannered an inoffensive out of the water.

    Vegans tend to lose the head quite a bit.

    What to get a vegan for Christmas:

    Vitamin b12 injections


  • #3116
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    UK reports 627 new deaths and 3,403 new cases

    No matter what way that figure of 627 deaths is dressed up, using excuses about the lag in reporting due to it being a long weekend it's still pretty grim.


  • #3117
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    This looks promising ...

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-3-drug-combo-treatment-may-be-successful

    It's good, but needs to be applied early. Those were cases that might not have been hospitalised in a high burden environment.

    Good news is that with rapid and abundant testing this could be almost a home treatment. The antivirals are pills and the interferon is a simple injection (no IV drip or even vein injection needed).

    From the speculation around this combo, most clinicians are thinking it's mostly the interferon kicking the patients innate immune system back in alert mode counteracting the virus's immune suppressing actions.


  • #3118
    coastwatch
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    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    I could be wrong but I think the 20km limit is not until June or July

    That particular restriction is being way too cautious.


  • #3119
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Seamai wrote: »
    That blows the theory of Canadians being mild mannered an inoffensive out of the water.

    Because one Canadian was rude ??


  • #3120
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Ice cream vans are back out - kids are happy...


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  • #3121
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Because one Canadian was rude ??

    He's English-born and has always been a bit grumpy!


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