Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

12-05-2020 11:20AM

Onesea wrote: »

I just see a list of minutes to meetings, I don't see a list of individuals who took part in the meetings.

When the covid payment stops and the lockdown gradually is lifted, businesses start failing and people have no money.

That's why I question all of this, it isn't to annoy people. It's the lack of any type of critical thinking.
Maybe we can't fight this virus we just have to see it out. Let it runs its course and hope for the best.

Seen as you could not make it as far as the appendix

Appendix 1 – NPHET Membership Details
Membership at a point in time reflects the work ongoing. Expert advisors and / or other stakeholders
may be invited to attend meetings from time to time.
Dr Tony Holohan (Chair) Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health (DOH)
Prof Colm Bergin Consultant Infectious Diseases, St. James’s Hospital and Professor of
Medicine, Trinity College Dublin
Mr Paul Bolger Director, Resources Division, DOH
Dr Eibhlin Connolly Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Ms Tracey Conroy A/Sec, Acute Hospitals Division, DOH
Dr John Cuddihy Interim Director, Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC)
Dr Cillian de Gascun Director, National Virus Reference Laboratory (NVRL), UCD,
Consultant Virologist
Mr Colm Desmond A/Sec, Corporate Legislation, Mental Health, Drugs Policy and Food
Safety Division, DOH
Dr Lorraine Doherty National Clinical Director for Health Protection, HPSC, HSE
Dr Mary Favier President, Irish College of General Practitioners (ICGP)
Dr Ronan Glynn Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Mr Fergal Goodman A/Sec, Primary Care Division, DOH
Dr Colm Henry Chief Clinical Officer, HSE
Dr Kevin Kelleher Asst. National Director, Public Health, HSE
Ms Marita Kinsella Director, National Patient Safety Office, DOH
Mr David Leach Deputy National Director of Communications, HSE
Dr Kathleen Mac Lellan A/Sec, Social Care Division, DOH
Dr Jeanette Mc Callion Medical Assessor, Health Products Regulatory Authority (HPRA)
Mr Tom McGuinness Asst. National Director, Office of Emergency Planning, HSE
Dr Siobhán Ní Bhrian Lead for Integrated Care, HSE
Prof Philip Nolan President, National University of Ireland, Maynooth
Ms Kate O’Flaherty Head of Health and Wellbeing, DOH
Dr Darina O'Flanagan Special Advisor to the NPHET, DOH
Dr Siobhan O'Sullivan Chief Bioethics Officer, DOH
Dr Michael Power National Clinical Lead, Critical Care Programme, HSE
Consultant in Anaesthetics / Intensive Care Medicine, Beaumont
Hospital
Mr Phelim Quinn Chief Executive Officer, HIQA
Dr Máirín Ryan Deputy Chief Executive and Director of Health Technology
Assessment, HIQA
Dr Alan Smith Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Dr Breda Smyth Director of Public Health Medicine, HSE
Mr David Walsh National Director, Community Operations, HSE
Ms Deirdre Watters Head of Communications, DOH
Mr Liam Woods National Director, Acute Operations, HSE

Appendix 2 – Expert Advisory Group Membership Details
Membership at a point in time reflects the work ongoing. Expert advisors and / or other stakeholders
may be invited to attend meetings from time to time. The table below reflects membership at 16th
April 2020:
Dr Cillian de Gascun
(Chair)
Director National Virus Reference Laboratory (NVRL), UCD, Consultant
Virologist
Prof Colm Bergin Consultant Infectious Diseases, St. James’s Hospital and Professor of
Medicine, Trinity College Dublin
Prof Karina Butler Chair, National Immunisation Advisory Committee, Consultant in
Paediatric Infectious Diseases
Dr Jeff Connell Head of Testing, NVRL, University College Dublin
Prof Martin Cormican HSE National Clinical Lead Healthcare Associated Infections and
Antimicrobial Resistance Team, Consultant Microbiologist
Dr Aoife Cotter Consultant Infectious Diseases, National Isolation Unit
Dr John Cuddihy Interim Director, Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC)
Dr Lorraine Doherty National Clinical Director Health Protection, HSE
Dr Aurelie Fabre Consultant Histopathologist
Prof Sean Gaine Consultant Respiratory Physician
Ms Josephine Galway Director of Nursing for Infection Control, HSE
Dr Ronan Glynn Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Dr Vida Hamilton HSE National Clinical Advisor and Group Lead, Acute Hospitals
Dr David Hanlon HSE National Clinical Advisor and Group Lead for Primary Care
Dr Derval Igoe Consultant Public Health Medicine, NVRL/HPSC
Dr Ciara Martin Consultant in Paediatric Medicine
Dr Jeanette McCallion Medical Assessor, Health Products Regulatory Authority
Ms Helen Murphy Infection Prevention and Control Nurse Manager, Lead Nurse for
Antimicrobial resistance and Healthcare Associated Infections
(AMR/HCAIs), HPSC
Mr Damien Nee Patient Representative
Prof Michael O’Connell Master of the Coombe Women and Infants University Hospital
Dr Gerard O’Connor Consultant Emergency Medicine
Dr Joanne O’Gorman Consultant Microbiologist
Dr Colman O’ Loughlin Consultant Intensive Care Medicine
Dr Margaret O’ Sullivan Chair, National Zoonoses Committee & Consultant Public Health
Medicine
Dr Alan Smith Deputy Chief Medical Officer, DOH
Dr Lynda Sisson Consultant in Occupational Medicine
Dr Lelia Thornton Consultant in Public Health Medicine, HPSC
EAG Research Subgroup Membership:
Prof. Colm Bergin (CoChair)
Consultant Infectious Diseases, St. James’s Hospital and Professor of
Medicine, Trinity College Dublin
Prof Cliona O’Farrelly
(Co-Chair)
Professor Comparative Immunology, Biochemistry, Trinity College
Dublin
Prof Orla Feely Vice President for Research, Innovation and Impact University College
Dublin
Dr Mark Ferguson Director General, Science Foundation Ireland (SFI)
Dr Sarah Gibney Senior Researcher, Research Services and Policy Unit and IGEES,
20
Department of Health
Prof Stephen Kinsella Associate Professor of Economics, University College Limerick
Dr Teresa Maguire Head of Research Services and Policy Unit, DOH
Dr Mairead O’Driscoll Director of Research Strategy and Funding, Health Research Board (HRB)
Dr Siobhán O’Sullivan Chief Bioethics Officer, DoH
Prof Ivan Perry Professor of Public Health, University College Dublin
Dr Ana Terres Head of Research and Development, HSE

Will leave out appendix 3 which lists all the subgroups

is_that_so · 12-05-2020 11:21AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Sorry this has probably been asked before but what date are we currently looking at for Travel outside of our region in Ireland,
I'm talking about travel with in Ireland but one side of the country to the other

Seems to be Phase 4.

New Home · 12-05-2020 11:21AM

Wibbs wrote: »

*I've mused that maybe this all comes from our deep history when we were hunter gatherers? That when we noticed annual patterns in food supply the guy or gal who spotted the the buffalo always come in big numbers when the grass grows long and green and wrapped it in spiritual clothes, were the guy or gal who got power and more grub for themselves. If the buffalo were late they could blame some god or other, or more usually the people. Today we get life coaches, economists and powerpoint projections in middle management meetings.

I read this ^^^ and I thought... that sound like a great plot for a Dilbert strip... in fact, I think Scott Adams already did it.

martingriff · 12-05-2020 11:22AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Why should I? I've seen what her occupation is and unless someone is going to tell me that she is making it all up, I'm happy for the moment to accept her at her word and listen to what she has to say. The "source" is what she, she herself directly, is saying.

You on the other hand come back with a silly retort.

You should always be critical and check it up regardless what it is. Now I am generally here and not just about this person but just because someone has qualification does not mean they are right ot have an agenda one way or another

Bannasidhe · 12-05-2020 11:26AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

What about experience? At this stage i know quite a few people who got it. Most of them don’t even remember ever having the normal flu for years. They can’t even remember ever been so sick. Also everyone else in their household got it. Anyone in my household that got the normal flu rarely passed it on to the other members of the house.

This thing spread through the world like wildfire in a short space of time, even to the farthest corner. Give over ffs

In my family we have had one death (a cousin in NY), one recovery after being in ICU, and four who recovered at home - all in Cork - and they all said they have never been so sick.
The oldest of my family infected in Cork (so far...) is 57 (a healthcare worker), youngest is 22. Four of them were one household - parents in the 40s, adult children in their 20s - one ended up in ICU.
The only one who was tested prior to getting sick was the healthcare worker as she had been working in a community hosp with confirmed deaths on her ward.

martingriff · 12-05-2020 11:28AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Herd immunity ?

hmmmm , I wonder ....

This is from worldometer

Now, I know this is more serious than flu, but lockdowns would potentially save those 290k-650k people a year.
But there is none, we hear nothing about it.
Is the lockdown _purely_ because hospitals can't handle it ... imagine if all of a sudden hospitals could handle it - but CFR of Covid remained the same ... so 10x maybe 20x more deadly than flu.

Would the lockdowns go ahead then ?

I'm just wondering at what point are lockdowns deemed important in society - what death count is not acceptable ? because it seems up to 650K are acceptable....

Well flu has treatments and vaccine we can take so maybe that is why there is no general lockdown. Maybe if uptake of flu vaccines were larger the death rate might be lower. I don't know. Those who are more at risk are asked if possible to avoid large gathering.

This has got neither yet.

Onesea · 12-05-2020 11:28AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seen as you could not make it as far as the appendix

Will leave out appendix 3 which lists all the subgroups

Thank you

wakka12 · 12-05-2020 11:33AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Herd immunity ?

hmmmm , I wonder ....

This is from worldometer

Now, I know this is more serious than flu, but lockdowns would potentially save those 290k-650k people a year.
But there is none, we hear nothing about it.
Is the lockdown _purely_ because hospitals can't handle it ... imagine if all of a sudden hospitals could handle it - but CFR of Covid remained the same ... so 10x maybe 20x more deadly than flu.

Would the lockdowns go ahead then ?

I'm just wondering at what point are lockdowns deemed important in society - what death count is not acceptable ? because it seems up to 650K are acceptable....

It seemed like it was just not overwhelming the hospitals at first, but now in some countries the goal apparently seems to be minimising deaths from COVID as much as possible..

podgeandrodge · 12-05-2020 11:41AM

martingriff wrote: »

You should always be critical and check it up regardless what it is. Now I am generally here and not just about this person but just because someone has qualification does not mean they are right ot have an agenda one way or another

I am absolutely not saying that they are right or have an agenda one way or the other. I just posted an interview with someone that has 'a' related qualification and posted it here for people to read. God forbid I didn't get a peer review undertaken before posting

Exactly what was I supposed to check up in any event? I just have checked her and she appears to be who she says she is.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Here is a video of that Professor Dolores Cahill. I don't know anything about her, or care about her political affiliation. But I read a few pages on here that she is a loon etc., which does, a bit, fit into my concerns that people write off people just because they don't fit with their world view.

Have just started watching this, and will make my own mind up rather than damning her automatically like most people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avc6_ftzk3w&list=WL&index=2

seamus · 12-05-2020 11:46AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

What about experience? At this stage i know quite a few people who got it. Most of them don’t even remember ever having the normal flu for years. They can’t even remember ever been so sick. Also everyone else in their household got it. Anyone in my household that got the normal flu rarely passed it on to the other members of the house.

This thing spread through the world like wildfire in a short space of time, even to the farthest corner. Give over ffs

Experiences vary tbh. Mine would be the exact opposite of yours;
In my house, once one person gets sick with a cold or a 'flu, we're virtually guaranteed that everyone will get it. As will the in-laws.

But any of the people I've anecdotally heard of with Covid, it hasn't spread beyond the initial infected person. Even though we know there are clusters everywhere.

But aside from one family member that we're 99% sure had it and couldn't get a test, the only cases we know of are neighbours or friends, not family.

froog · 12-05-2020 11:47AM

this is just horrific. he should be done for murder. and any of these other "spitters" done for attempted murder.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/12/uk-rail-worker-dies-coronavirus-spat-belly-mujinga

12-05-2020 11:47AM

Onesea wrote: »

Thank you

I will say, one this that strikes me is the absence of an Economic impact advisory group, even though there are some Economists involved, and the absence of a specific group addressing the impact on other areas on the health system. On the first, I would hope the appropriate department is covering the ecomonic impact, but would prefer to see it within the overall NPHET remit, even tangentially. On the second, unless I am missing something, it is a glaring omission not having the maintenance of existing critical care systems in other areas as a central objective of managing a public health emergency such as this.

On the other hand, the team tasked with modelling the outbreak appears comprehensive and well resourced with experts from across the country, and not reliant of Nail Ferguson's model as some would have us believe

martingriff · 12-05-2020 11:49AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I am absolutely not saying that they are right or have an agenda one way or the other. I just posted an interview with someone that has 'a' related qualification and posted it here for people to read. God forbid I didn't get a peer review undertaken before posting
Exactly what was I supposed to check up in any event? I just have checked her and she appears to be who she says she is.

I was not saying a peer review and you know that. What are you supposed to check up well off the top of my head check there facts or assumption they make. Again talking generally here as I am not able to check out the link you posted as do not have the time atm

is_that_so · 12-05-2020 11:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I will say, one this that strikes me is the absence of an Economic impact advisory group, even though there are some Economists involved, and the absence of a specific group addressing the impact on other areas on the health system. On the first, I would hope the appropriate department is covering the ecomonic impact, but would prefer to see it within the overall NPHET remit, even tangentially. On the second, unless I am missing something, it is a glaring omission not having the maintenance of existing critical care systems in other areas as a central objective of managing a public health emergency such as this.

On the other hand, the team tasked with modelling the outbreak appears comprehensive and well resourced with experts from across the country, and not reliant of Nail Ferguson's model as some would have us believe

Is there really a need to have an economic panel? After all already we have the IFAC and DoF itself.

New Home · 12-05-2020 12:02PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

In my family we have had one death (a cousin in NY), one recovery after being in ICU, and four who recovered at home - all in Cork - and they all said they have never been so sick.
The oldest of my family infected in Cork (so far...) is 57 (a healthcare worker), youngest is 22. Four of them were one household - parents in the 40s, adult children in their 20s - one ended up in ICU.
The only one who was tested prior to getting sick was the healthcare worker as she had been working in a community hosp with confirmed deaths on her ward.

I'm really sorry for your loss, I hope the others recover fully and quickly. Must be so, so scary.

froog wrote: »

this is just horrific. he should be done for murder. and any of these other "spitters" done for attempted murder.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/12/uk-rail-worker-dies-coronavirus-spat-belly-mujinga

No attempted about it. Definite murder. Poor woman...

podgeandrodge · 12-05-2020 12:02PM

martingriff wrote: »

I was not saying a peer review and you know that. What are you supposed to check up well off the top of my head check there facts or assumption they make. Again talking generally here as I am not able to check out the link you posted as do not have the time atm

We can agree to disagree

I shouldn't have to go and check whether an 'expert', (well an expert compared to you or I anyway), is correct or incorrect in my view before I post her view for others to look at on a bulletin board. I didn't post some mad hat Gemma type stuff here (and plenty have!). This lady has related qualifications and provided an opinion and there is no way that I can dispute her view, even if I might have a different view myself (which would not be scientifically based).

12-05-2020 12:04PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Is there really a need to have an economic panel? After all already we have the IFAC and DoF itself.

I think it would be a good idea to inform the public health team

KrustyUCC · 12-05-2020 12:17PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Sorry this has probably been asked before but what date are we currently looking at for Travel outside of our region in Ireland,
I'm talking about travel with in Ireland but one side of the country to the other

July 20th unfortunately

Still the best part of 10 weeks away and that's prob with everything going right

Can't see Holohan moving that one forward

batman_oh · 12-05-2020 12:21PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

July 20th unfortunately

Still the best part of 10 weeks away and that's prob with everything going right

Can't see Holohan moving that one forward

And only 10 weeks after people in the North or from England can do it :pac:

almostover · 12-05-2020 12:28PM

seamus wrote: »

Experiences vary tbh. Mine would be the exact opposite of yours;
In my house, once one person gets sick with a cold or a 'flu, we're virtually guaranteed that everyone will get it. As will the in-laws.

But any of the people I've anecdotally heard of with Covid, it hasn't spread beyond the initial infected person. Even though we know there are clusters everywhere.

But aside from one family member that we're 99% sure had it and couldn't get a test, the only cases we know of are neighbours or friends, not family.

Mu sister lives in ahousehare with 3 other. One person brought COVID-19 into the house and my sister and one other caught it from her before they had realised. All healthcare workers and got a 24hr test turnaround. Once they had found out and isolated they managed to stop the 4th member of the household from contracting it by upping the household hygiene. The big problem is being asymptomatic for days 1-3 of infection, that how it spread in this case. All are now fully recovered and didn't require hospitalisation. All had the 'mild' symptoms i.e. fever and shortness of breath for 5 days or so. All lost there sense of taste and smell for about 2 weeks also.

ChikiChiki · 12-05-2020 12:34PM

My prevailing thought about that South Korea person whenever I read about them is ****ing hell that must have been one hell of a night out. 101 people now.

seamus · 12-05-2020 12:35PM

almostover wrote: »

The big problem is being asymptomatic for days 1-3 of infection, that how it spread in this case.

That's my thinking on it too. If someone in a household of 4 adults gets a cold or a 'flu, they will notice the onset of a runny nose, headache or tiredness and they'll automatically isolate, even unintentionally. This limits the spread.

With Covid, it'll be all over the surfaces before they even feel a bit peaky.

expectationlost · 12-05-2020 12:45PM

Michael McNamara elected chair of the Dail covid committee ... .:/

hmmm · 12-05-2020 12:57PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

My prevailing thought about that South Korea person whenever I read about them is ****ing hell that must have been one hell of a night out. 101 people now.

There's been several reports of one person infecting multiple people in enclosed spaces. Anywhere which is indoors, poor ventilation, talking (or shouting) just seems to be spread-central.

It's why I just can't see pubs, nightclubs, even offices being able to reopen anytime soon. Public transport is a problem also, and we need to keep the windows open. Our climate is going to work against us big-time in Winter.

wakka12 · 12-05-2020 01:01PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0512/1137926-covid19-coronavirus-uk/
UK death toll now approaching 40,000

Almost 15% of global covid deaths, Uk makes up less than 1% of the world population. Pretty shocking

pjohnson · 12-05-2020 01:03PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0512/1137926-covid19-coronavirus-uk/
UK death toll now approaching 40,000

Almost 15% of global covid deaths. Pretty shocking

And some headers are holding up their "plan" and handling as being good and what we should do.

expectationlost · 12-05-2020 01:16PM

Baby boom on the way? Pharmacy reports 67% increase in sale of pregnancy tests https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/baby-boom-on-the-way-pharmacy-reports-67-increase-in-sale-of-pregnancy-tests-999007.html did someone mention a myth that had started re pregnancy tests....

iguana · 12-05-2020 01:16PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0512/1137926-covid19-coronavirus-uk/
UK death toll now approaching 40,000

Almost 15% of global covid deaths, Uk makes up less than 1% of the world population. Pretty shocking

The Guardian is reporting that it has surpassed 40,000.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/uk-coronavirus-death-toll-passes-40000-official-figures-say

Onesea · 12-05-2020 01:18PM

expectationlost wrote: »

Baby boom on the way? Pharmacy reports 67% increase in sale of pregnancy tests https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/baby-boom-on-the-way-pharmacy-reports-67-increase-in-sale-of-pregnancy-tests-999007.html did someone mention a myth that had started re pregnancy tests....

??

Onesea · 12-05-2020 01:18PM

expectationlost wrote: »

Baby boom on the way? Pharmacy reports 67% increase in sale of pregnancy tests https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/baby-boom-on-the-way-pharmacy-reports-67-increase-in-sale-of-pregnancy-tests-999007.html did someone mention a myth that had started re pregnancy tests....

??

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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