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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #2942
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,015 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    froog wrote: »
    Is this the same person who said if you take vitamins you will be immune? Also recall her saying if you were immune to SARS you were immune to COVID.

    Shes a crackpot. A crackpot with a phd, but a crackpot nonetheless.

    Chairwoman of the Irish Freedom Party.


    That sums things up re. her reliability.


  • #2943
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Can we not take her opinion based on her medical experience and not on the fact she isn't part of ff or fg. There is mounting evidence clearly showing this virus isn't that bad.The Irish and British people will never get over this.


  • #2944
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Onesea wrote: »
    Has anyone heard what professor Dolores Cahill has said regarding covid 19?
    The country has had the wool pulled over its eyes.

    After 10 days you can be clear of the virus, and imune for life. Her credentials make her opinion concrete and she is willing to take full responsibility for her advice to the Irish government.

    She's a space cadet, a sausage short of a barbie. But suits your usual stance.
    Weren't you told to stop posting BS like this?

    You may think this laissez fair attitude is hard man stuff, or may genuinely not give a toss about the lives lost, the families grieving, or the people with their health permanently damaged, but at least keep to vaguely acceptable science or 'experts' with a silver of credence.


  • #2945
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Was Germany lying about cases and deaths, I'd say most countries are down playing their real numbers
    Do you have an evidence?

    Belgium, France, Germany, Austria, Czechia, Ireland, Scotland count all deaths in all settings.

    UK (England) is the prime example of downplaying numbers - only counting hospital deaths. Italy and Spain also didn't count all deaths outside of the hospitals. Another one is Sweden which doesn't seem to count care home deaths. Not sure about the Netherlands.


  • #2946
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,015 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Onesea wrote: »
    Can we not take her opinion based on her medical experience and not on the fact she isn't part of ff or fg. There is mounting evidence clearly showing this virus isn't that bad.The Irish and British people will never get over this.

    No. Not when she has clearly become biased and completely off kilter.


    At one brief point even Mr. Antivax Andrew Wakefield was a credible doctor.

    When you go off at loopers point you loose any credibility.


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  • #2947
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    kippy wrote: »
    Number of people who have died from the CoronaVirus twice: 0
    Number of people who have contracted the Corona Virus twice - currently unknown.

    Number of people known to have contracted the virus twice - 0


  • #2948
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Onesea wrote: »
    The Irish and British people will never get over this.

    What does that even mean..


  • #2949
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Onesea at least one of the posters replying dismissively to you made ridiculously wrong predictions of the case fatality rate six weeks ago on these threads.

    The fact that people here think (or claim to think) that a doctors politics says anything about their work is just another reveal of the mentality here.


  • #2950
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Consensus opinion isn't exactly great either, Police chasing people off parks and beaches for example is preventing people boost their immune systems. Or the countries that stopped people exercising. Your own immune system is your best friend in all this

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #2951
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    She's a space cadet, a sausage short of a barbie. But suits your usual stance.
    Weren't you told to stop posting BS like this?

    You may think this laissez fair attitude is hard man stuff, or may genuinely not give a toss about the lives lost, the families grieving, or the people with their health permanently damaged, but at least keep to vaguely acceptable science or 'experts' with a silver of credence.

    Tell me what's makes her a space cadet you can't just label people as you see fit.


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  • #2952
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,015 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    growleaves wrote: »
    Onesea at least one of the posters replying dismissively to you made ridiculously wrong predictions of the case fatality rate six weeks ago on these threads.

    The fact that people here think (or claim to think) that a doctors politics says anything about their work is just another reveal of the mentality here.
    Well this isnt the conspiracy theories forum so good to see most are sane.


  • #2953
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Well this isnt the conspiracy theories forum so good to see most are sane.

    Medical science isn't a political football unless you turn it into one. Science is (supposed to be) objective. If you dislike some piece of research or suspect its full of holes then you have to find what specifically is wrong with it. Pointing to membership of a political party is irrelevant. Issac Newton had weird beliefs.


  • #2954
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Onesea wrote: »
    Tell me what's makes her a space cadet you can't just label people as you see fit.

    I can and I will. You posted the rubbish she came out with: now read it.

    It's nonsense and she's living on another planet if she can't see how serious this health crisis so, how real the deaths from it have been or how the restrictions have saved many lives.

    Time you took a good dose of reality too.


  • #2955
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I can and I will. You posted the rubbish she came out with: now read it.

    It's nonsense and she's living on another planet if she can't see how serious this health crisis so, how real the deaths from it have been or how the restrictions have saved many lives.

    Time you took a good dose of reality too.

    Your just calling her names aren't you. Explain your reasoning.


  • #2956
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Onesea wrote: »
    Can we not take her opinion based on her medical experience and not on the fact she isn't part of ff or fg. There is mounting evidence clearly showing this virus isn't that bad.The Irish and British people will never get over this.

    What medical experience is this?


  • #2957
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Onesea wrote: »
    Can we not take her opinion based on her medical experience and not on the fact she isn't part of ff or fg. There is mounting evidence clearly showing this virus isn't that bad.The Irish and British people will never get over this.

    Where is the 'mounting evidence' that 'clearly' shows 'this virus isn't that bad'?


  • #2958
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    ek motor wrote: »
    Where is the 'mounting evidence' that 'clearly' shows 'this virus isn't that bad'?

    The predictions not going anywhere near what they expected. The models used to create these graphs is being ridiculed.. It honestly fells like most users here don't have access to the internet except this website


  • #2959
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    Will delays and issues with testing reduce our ability to lift restrictions next week and again in two weeks time?


  • #2960
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Onesea wrote: »
    The predictions not going anywhere near what they expected. The models used to create these graphs is being ridiculed.. It honestly fells like most users here don't have access to the internet except this website

    Catch yourself on. We kept the lid on it by imposing restrictions. You're trawling the internet for whack jobs that meet your own opinion.

    Talk to nurses and doctors who have dealt with this disease. Have a chat with somebody who went through an ICU with this virus.

    I'm finding it difficult to believe that you actually believe what you're posting.


  • #2961
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Onesea wrote: »
    Your just calling her names aren't you. Explain your reasoning.

    I already did but you don't want to face the reality of what's going on around you.


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  • #2962
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Onesea wrote: »
    Can we not take her opinion based on her medical experience and not on the fact she isn't part of ff or fg. There is mounting evidence clearly showing this virus isn't that bad.The Irish and British people will never get over this.
    It isn't that bad for the 80% with mild symptoms but take a good look at Italy to see when it does go bad, a lot more people die. Irish Freedom Party links is definitely not one for the credibility stakes.


  • #2963
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Onesea wrote: »
    The predictions not going anywhere near what they expected. The models used to create these graphs is being ridiculed.. It honestly fells like most users here don't have access to the internet except this website

    Who exactly is ridiculing the data, and do they believe that they aren't based on no restrictions being put in place?

    Is it this Q group you were harping on about earlier?

    Has your expert been infected with covid19 and recovered as certified by a medical doctor and what steps are they going to take to be infected if not and then prove that they can't be reinfected?


  • #2964
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Onesea wrote: »
    The predictions not going anywhere near what they expected. The models used to create these graphs is being ridiculed.. It honestly fells like most users here don't have access to the internet except this website

    This is straight from the American far right CT Covid19 handbook. People using YouTube, memes and social media as info / news sources


  • #2965
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    growleaves wrote: »
    Medical science isn't a political football unless you turn it into one. Science is (supposed to be) objective. If you dislike some piece of research or suspect its full of holes then you have to find what specifically is wrong with it. Pointing to membership of a political party is irrelevant. Issac Newton had weird beliefs.

    Except supporters of that party are marching to the four courts today to protest the restrictions, so they are quite capable of making it a political football.


  • #2966
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I already did but you don't want to face the reality of what's going on around you.

    About Dolores

    She has a degree in Molecular Genetics
    She has a PhD in immunology
    She has spent 8 years at the max plank Institute of Molecular genetics
    She founded and sold her a biomedical company she developed called Protagen AG,most of her work is in the area of antibodies.
    I never knew they granted listened pct patents to crazy people.

    Do we have a list of the 40 somthing people on the covid board offering advice to the Irish government?


  • #2967
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,015 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Onesea wrote: »
    The predictions not going anywhere near what they expected. The models used to create these graphs is being ridiculed.. It honestly fells like most users here don't have access to the internet except this website

    The predictions were generally worst case scenario. Actions were taken to prevent this. The worst case wasnt a target to aim for.
    It honestly feels like some users only get educated by conspiracy theorists and buy anything that they are told by whatever crackpot is going viral.


  • #2968
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Except supporters of that party are marching to the four courts today to protest the restrictions, so they are quite capable of making it a political football.

    And why shouldn't they. The dpp won't stand a chance in following through with any prosecutions brought forward from these rules.

    Stay at home by all means, but nobody should be forced to.


  • #2969
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Onesea wrote: »
    About Dolores

    She has a degree in Molecular Genetics
    She has a PhD in immunology
    She has spent 8 years at the max plank Institute of Molecular genetics
    She founded and sold her a biomedical company she developed called Protagen AG,most of her work is in the area of antibodies.
    I never knew they granted listened pct patents to crazy people.

    Dobwe have a list of the 40 somthing people on the covid board offering advice to the Irish government?

    There's a Nobel prizewinner in Chemistry who's modelling this thing. He's been right about as much as he's been wrong. One thing we have seen from "experts" is how massively inflated their egos are and some of them have very loose tongues and oodles of opinions, regardless of what expertise they actually have.


  • #2970
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    pjohnson wrote: »
    The predictions were generally worst case scenario. Actions were taken to prevent this. The worst case wasnt a target to aim for.
    It honestly feels like some users only get educated by conspiracy theorists and buy anything that they are told by whatever crackpot is going viral.

    Well then explain to me why the models were so wrong for Sweden.


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  • #2971
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Except supporters of that party are marching to the four courts today to protest the restrictions, so they are quite capable of making it a political football.

    I've never heard of that party before. But like I said political belief doesn't affect scientific work itself. Members of NPHET could belong to fringe political movements.


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