Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

wakka12 · 11-05-2020 03:20PM

https://twitter.com/France24_en/status/1259671329856348160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.as.com%2Fen%2F2020%2F05%2F11%2Fother_sports%2F1589182808_085125.html

Takes the term super spreader to a whole other level

Iamabeliever · 11-05-2020 03:22PM

US2 wrote: »

Going to ignore most of your post as it doesn't relate to me, but tell me how a fcuking fruit tests positive?

Haha I think you read a headline of an article and said that's it I'm convinced. Pretty sure the testing lab is accused of faulty tests kits but no your right ''
It's a load of bollix''.

Hrududu · 11-05-2020 03:26PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

I can't believe anyone thinks this is a fake pandemic.

US2 wrote: »

If fruit and animals are testing positive what's to say humans who tested positive arent positive at all ?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

SleetAndSnow · 11-05-2020 03:27PM

Anybody who thinks this pandemic is "fake" clearly isn't right. Theres many of us on here who know people who have had it, who have been very ill from it and know people who have died from this "fake" virus. Think before you write since people are grieving over lost loved ones and here you are saying its fake and stupid. Cop on

Sigma101 · 11-05-2020 03:29PM

US2 wrote: »

If fruit and animals are testing positive what's to say humans who tested positive arent positive at all ?

They're probably all empty

bekker · 11-05-2020 03:30PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/France24_en/status/1259671329856348160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.as.com%2Fen%2F2020%2F05%2F11%2Fother_sports%2F1589182808_085125.html

Takes the term super spreader to a whole other level

Amazing productivity, or else another African president getting his retaliation in first.

speckle · 11-05-2020 03:34PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/France24_en/status/1259671329856348160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.as.com%2Fen%2F2020%2F05%2F11%2Fother_sports%2F1589182808_085125.html

Takes the term super spreader to a whole other level

But isnt the term used for someone who personally infects a lot of people. Here the person may have infected 5 people who infected 5 each and so on.
Unless they sneezed on their hand and then shook everyones hand in the factory or slobbered all over a clock in machine. etc

Miike · 11-05-2020 03:35PM

US2 wrote: »

If fruit and animals are testing positive what's to say humans who tested positive arent positive at all ?

So I Googled the tripe you're posting. I suggest you do the same because the conclusions you've drawn from it are far from whats being reported.

While we're making things up: (I'm starting to enjoy this now)
I heard that they tested the surface of Mars and found covid there too. What a shambles! Tony Holohan must have put it up there or maybe Leo? Or maybe it was the daily mail who put it up there!

s1ippy · 11-05-2020 03:36PM

Stheno wrote: »

Don't they publish the cases by county in the actual report that they publish each day?

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/6e638a-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-saturday-25/

Or do you want them to go county by county and list the increases per county per day?

That data is from the 23rd April. If they did a quick breakdown of the new confirmed cases and deaths per county, even once a week it would somewhat improve the picture that we currently have for our areas. I think they might be worried it will lead to clannish opposition to counties with a lot of cases. It probably should.

You can find
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/
There is information available here but the site is a disaster to try and load and then to navigate.

https://twitter.com/geoff_shenton/status/1259007239903379458?s=19
Informative video highlighting transmission of the virus when standing, walking and jogging. The virus travels further but has less saturation if moving fast, as you might expect. 5m seems to be the new minimum distance to be behind somebody walking and it's over 10m for someone jogging, and that's before you account for wind and air currents.

New Home · 11-05-2020 03:36PM

US2 wrote: »

Going to ignore most of your post as it doesn't relate to me, but tell me how a fcuking fruit tests positive?

Who handled those fruit and vegetables? Humans. Were they tested prior to swabbing the fruit and veg to make sure they were negative and can they be sure they hadn't contaminated them themselves?

Let me break it down: you're positive but don't know it. You cough/sneeze/splutter over a piece of fruit. You swab the fruit (which has now been covered by droplets of your saliva). The test turns out to be positive.

That's how.

Martina1991 · 11-05-2020 03:36PM

Stheno wrote: »

I know Martina, but if Cillian de Gascun has said that he expects antibody testing to start in June it would be nice to get more of an update than " we're looking at them" June is three weeks away

As to the analyses some ok ne posted what you said the other day r day about capacity which is why I was wondering if the HSE were looking to talk to Roche about both tests and analyses

But seeing as they are STILL saying it will take a couple more weeks to have the current testing system at the required levels I guess they are focussing ok on that

The HSE have done a lot of good work in fairness to date but it appears to be on a very reactionary basis which is understandable, but surely they could be doing some proactive planning also?

The media were told "we're looking at them" but I'm sure there are labs already running studies on various kits to assess their performance in their lab. Ya can't just buy the kits, put them on and start running patients.

Roche can pump out kits no problem. As a lot of hospital labs already have contracts with them, acquiring reagents and materials shouldn't cause problems like before.

It's not just Roche the HSE has to talk to, it's the labs. We have to determine if the lab has the capacity, what services will be effected, how many samples could we expect to receive a day, how does the test perform, how stable are the calibrators, controls and patient samples etc etc. Each hospital will have to consider how much it will cost. Is it worth offering the test in house or will it be cheaper to send samples to a bigger lab.

There's a lot of work going on in the background, around the country.

yourdeadwright · 11-05-2020 03:37PM

US2 wrote: »

Going to ignore most of your post as it doesn't relate to me, but tell me how a fcuking fruit tests positive?

There is no hard evidence a Fruit tested positive it's just the words of a president who's made a balls of things ,

Stheno · 11-05-2020 03:38PM

Miike wrote: »

So I Googled the tripe you're posting. I suggest you do the same because the conclusions you've drawn from it are far from whats being reported.

While we're making things up: (I'm starting to enjoy this now)
I heard that they tested the surface of Mars and found covid there too. What a shambles! Tony Holohan must have put it up there or maybe Leo? Or maybe it was the daily mail who put it up there!

No Miike, no.:D
That's where it actually originated from, and the aliens planted a bit in every major city from last October on, under the guise of the 5G mast rollout

Try and get with the programme :pac:*

I may have little to occupy myself with today!

yourdeadwright · 11-05-2020 03:39PM

Stheno wrote: »

Do you not know that it's only because of the microwaves from 5G masts?

That's why it's so bad in cities they have more 5G than the countryside :pac:

North Korea has no 5G and no cases :pac:[/QUOTE

Do people realise only 4 countries have 5g ?

jam_mac_jam · 11-05-2020 03:39PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

There is no hard evidence a Fruit tested positive it's just the words of a president who's made a balls of things ,

Also even if ilthe fruit did test positive and the test is defective it doesn't mean that all tests are.

Miike · 11-05-2020 03:39PM

Stheno wrote: »

No Miike, no.:D
That's where it actually originated from, and the aliens planted a bit in every major city from last October on, under the guise of the 5G mast rollout

Try and get with the programme :pac:*

I may have little to occupy myself with today!

Its all part of Agenda21!!!!

Martina1991 · 11-05-2020 03:40PM

US2 wrote: »

Or maybe this whole thing is a load of bollix ?

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Because the tests are defective.

US2 wrote: »

If fruit and animals are testing positive what's to say humans who tested positive arent positive at all ?

It doesn't say what tests Tanzania are using. As it's a poor country, I would guess they do not have advanced molecular methods and may be using some sort of unreliable, cheap, rapid tests.

speckle · 11-05-2020 03:40PM

s1ippy wrote: »

They should also break down the figures notified by region in the briefing to give a clear picture of how the virus is distributed around the country at this point.

There really is absolutely no sense in lifting the restrictions countrywide when some areas are clearly harder-hit than others, but they're hell-bent on that strategy so it's constantly the mushroom treatment for the public.

The average person shouldn't have to go digging for figures and calculating deaths and cases in their county themselves. I thought they were mad for transparency.

Bring back the DOTTED maps. Somebody please start a pedtition or # etc. Even for active cases only.

jam_mac_jam · 11-05-2020 03:42PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

It doesn't say what tests Tanzania are using. As it's a poor country, I would guess they do not have advanced molecular methods and may be using some sort of unreliable, cheap, rapid tests.

I agree completely. Said so above. A test can be wrong doesn't mean all are.

Stheno · 11-05-2020 03:42PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

The media were told "we're looking at them" but I'm sure there are labs already running studies on various kits to assess their performance in their lab. Ya can't just buy the kits, put them on and start running patients.

Roche can pump out kits no problem. As a lot of hospital labs already have contracts with them, acquiring reagents and materials shouldn't cause problems like before.

It's not just Roche the HSE has to talk to, it's the labs. We have to determine if the lab has the capacity, what services will be effected, how many samples could we expect to receive a day, how does the test perform, how stable are the calibrators, controls and patient samples etc etc. Each hospital will have to consider how much it will cost. Is it worth offering the test in house or will it be cheaper to send samples to a bigger lab.

There's a lot of work going on in the background, around the country.

I'm sure there is Martina tbf. Im just in a grumpy mood today. Dont worry, by 5:30 I'll be directing that grumpiness at whatever journalist asks some ****ing numpty question about weddings/christenings/hairdressers/ why the UK are opening up first etc

Or groaning when they asked a numbers related question and you can actually hear their brain cells go into overdrive as they try to work out the maths

Actually today I'm an equal opportunity grump

Fallschirmjager · 11-05-2020 03:44PM

Stheno wrote: »

I'm talking about the hoods with full face covering that then have coverage down to the shoulders and a battery pack around the waist to circulate air.

Not reusing one time use PPE

Stuff like this which you also see in use in some hospitals in the US. Korea also used it iirc

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279089/amp/Re-usable-PPE-coronavirus-pandemic-solve-NHS-shortages.html

im far from an expert on this (will ask the sister who is a nurse). one thing she explained to me on ppe that i didnt understand (but makes total sense). the disposable ppe is needed when you (i.e a health person) are moving from ward to ward. so say for example you go into ward 1. we you get into your disposable ppe for the ward visit. then if you leave ward one to goto ward two. well ti avoid infecting one ward and then another, you take off the disposable ppe, dump it, walk to ward two, get into disposable ppe, visit ward two and repeat. its one of the reasons hospitals need so much of it. i believe they try to limit people moving from ward to ward but that happens in non covid wards for example. they have to keep changing as a just in case someone is infected. In a covid ward you just dont get out of it while you work there (only dump it for breaks etc). at least thats how i understood it...

is_that_so · 11-05-2020 03:44PM

s1ippy wrote: »

That data is from the 23rd April. If they did a quick breakdown of the new confirmed cases and deaths per county, even once a week it would somewhat improve the picture that we currently have for our areas. I think they might be worried it will lead to clannish opposition to counties with a lot of cases. It probably should.

You can find
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/
There is information available here but the site is a disaster to try and load and then to navigate.

https://twitter.com/geoff_shenton/status/1259007239903379458?s=19
Informative video highlighting transmission of the virus when standing, walking and jogging. The virus travels further but has less saturation if moving fast, as you might expect. 5m seems to be the new minimum distance to be behind somebody walking and it's over 10m for someone jogging, and that's before you account for wind and air currents.

There'll be a whole lot of people who have no idea what half these distances are. Do any of these people offer up any data on how likely this risk is in real life?

Miike · 11-05-2020 03:44PM

Stheno wrote: »

I'm sure there is Martina tbf. Im just in a grumpy mood today. Dont worry, by 5:30 I'll be directing that grumpiness at whatever journalist asks some ****ing numpty question about weddings/christenings/hairdressers/ why the UK are opening up first etc

Or groaning when they asked a numbers related question and you can actually hear their brain cells go into overdrive as they try to work out the maths

Actually today I'm an equal opportunity grump

It's been 31 hours since I've slept a wink. You are speaking my mind :pac:

Martina1991 · 11-05-2020 03:44PM

Stheno wrote: »

I'm sure there is Martina tbf. Im just in a grumpy mood today. Dont worry, by 5:30 I'll be directing that grumpiness at whatever journalist asks some ****ing numpty question about weddings/christenings/hairdressers/ why the UK are opening up first etc

Cillian might have more info tomorrow from the lab side. We live in hope.

Stheno · 11-05-2020 03:48PM

s1ippy wrote: »

That data is from the 23rd April. If they did a quick breakdown of the new confirmed cases and deaths per county, even once a week it would somewhat improve the picture that we currently have for our areas. I think they might be worried it will lead to clannish opposition to counties with a lot of cases. It probably ts.

But its published every day on the gov.ie site as part of the NPHET daily press release?

Here's last Thursdays, the last section on that statement every day is a breakdown of cases by county

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/fe4551-statement-from-the-national-public-emergency-team-7-may/
Ie

ACitizenErased · 11-05-2020 03:55PM

Stheno wrote: »

But its published every day on the gov.ie site as part of the NPHET daily press release?

Here's last Thursdays, the last section on that statement every day is a breakdown of cases by county

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/fe4551-statement-from-the-national-public-emergency-team-7-may/
Ie

Those numbers are delayed. The number analysed =/= number of cases because each case takes a few days to be analysed. That leaves the possibility that, depending on which cases are analysed each day, the analysis is not truly representative of true spread.

is_that_so · 11-05-2020 03:58PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Those numbers are delayed. The number analysed =/= number of cases because each case takes a few days to be analysed. That leaves the possibility that, depending on which cases are analysed each day, the analysis is not truly representative of true spread.

We've no idea what the true spread is until they get round to community testing so that is as good as it gets and is likely not to be too far off.

ACitizenErased · 11-05-2020 03:59PM

is_that_so wrote: »

We've no idea what the true spread is until they get round to community testing so that is as good as it gets and is likely not to be too far off.

Oh yeah no doubt it's not far off, but to truly believe it would be wrong. It genuinely depends on which cases they choose to analyse each day.

is_that_so · 11-05-2020 04:01PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Oh yeah no doubt it's not far off, but to truly believe it would be wrong. It genuinely depends on which cases they choose to analyse each day.

I just give a nod to new cases these days, ICU numbers is now my drug of choice!

An Ciarraioch · 11-05-2020 04:03PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Those numbers are delayed. The number analysed =/= number of cases because each case takes a few days to be analysed. That leaves the possibility that, depending on which cases are analysed each day, the analysis is not truly representative of true spread.

Yes, but the county data is still updated every night around 6 - yes, it might be 48 hours behind real time, but it does give the best indication of the growth rate in each county - indeed, David Higgins calculates the three-day growth rate on his Twitter account.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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