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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #2432
    New Home
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    More tutorials on how to make facemasks (for the first two you don't need to sew anything at all, for the second you only need a handkerchief or a bandana, you don't even need scissors. The third one has a HEPA filter):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r51YroAFPds


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibk6NsTPjfw


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6d3twpHwis
    Starts at 2:32


  • #2433
    Loozer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Loozer


    lillycakes2 wrote: »
    The amount of people in Ireland not wearing masks is a joke, it is common sense to wear a mask! Just because it was never the norm or culture here.Things are different now...... people need to get real. The majority not wearing them......Afraid they will look silly, bigger fish to fry I say...……...bloody wear them !!!!

    Dunno

    The verdict is out on overall benefit


  • #2434
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    speckle wrote: »
    Can't seem to multiple quote on my mobile so...Thanks New home , gipi and Stheno for that information, its helping me and hopefully others, to think outside the box when we have an allergic reaction to mask material.

    Do you know what material that's in the mask you're allergic to?


  • #2435
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    lillycakes2 wrote: »
    The amount of people in Ireland not wearing masks is a joke, it is common sense to wear a mask! Just because it was never the norm or culture here.Things are different now...... people need to get real. The majority not wearing them......Afraid they will look silly, bigger fish to fry I say...……...bloody wear them !!!!

    As more places and shops start to open it and more people are back on public transport it will kick in pretty fast.


  • #2436
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    lillycakes2 wrote: »
    The amount of people in Ireland not wearing masks is a joke, it is common sense to wear a mask! Just because it was never the norm or culture here.Things are different now...... people need to get real. The majority not wearing them......Afraid they will look silly, bigger fish to fry I say...……...bloody wear them !!!!

    We've been told to date by our authorities that there's no point to wearing masks. It won't help...It will harm you more....

    I think the mood might be moving away from that and towards wearing masks in public indoor environments. We are still living with restrictions so you won't see an influx of people wearing masks just yet. Our government absolutely has to step up and get the population to wear masks going forward especially while we are going through the steps of lifting restrictions. It will be pointless if only some of the population wears a mask and not others. It has to be everyone, where possible (taking into consideration those who can't for medical reasons).


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  • #2437
    stargazer 68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    lillycakes2 wrote: »
    The amount of people in Ireland not wearing masks is a joke, it is common sense to wear a mask! Just because it was never the norm or culture here.Things are different now...... people need to get real. The majority not wearing them......Afraid they will look silly, bigger fish to fry I say...……...bloody wear them !!!!

    Why? I work in a major hospital and we dont wear them unless you are dealing with a patient. We have been told by medical staff that its not necessary. What do you know that they dont!


  • #2438
    New Home
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    Miike wrote: »
    Do you know what material that's in the mask you're allergic to?

    I wonder, would they contain latex...


  • #2439
    Loozer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Loozer


    New Home wrote: »
    I wonder, would they contain latex...

    I've heard it all now

    Making masks out of condoms


  • #2440
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Loozer wrote: »
    Dunno

    The verdict is out on overall benefit
    I have little doubt there are material benefits, but while we did not have enough to properly equip frontline staff they's been playing it down

    The biggest benefit that has been relayed continuously is that it helps prevent those infected from spreading it to others, which is pretty important when many never know they have had it.


  • #2441
    Cork Boy 53
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    We've been told to date by our authorities that there's no point to wearing masks. It won't help...It will harm you more....

    I think the mood might be moving away from that and towards wearing masks in public indoor environments. We are still living with restrictions so you won't see an influx of people wearing masks just yet. Our government absolutely has to step up and get the population to wear masks going forward especially while we are going through the steps of lifting restrictions. It will be pointless if only some of the population wears a mask and not others. It has to be everyone, where possible (taking into consideration those who can't for medical reasons).

    And in that case there will be a group of people who refuse to wear masks unless the government provide them for free.


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  • #2442
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    khalessi wrote: »
    As the article says he is not an epidemiologist and this is an epdiemic
    The salient point of his comments was on a perceived misuse of a static R0 exponent in modelling by epidemiologists in evaluating growth of COVID-19, together with a critique of the manner in which R0 was employed without reference to infectivity time. Maths.

    You quoted 'now we’ve left your generation with a real mess in order to save a relatively small number of very old people' out of context, that was the summation of a paragraph citing all of the adverse legacies of the 'baby-boomer' generation.


  • #2443
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    New Home wrote: »
    I wonder, would they contain latex...

    Some have latex in them and use adhesives with latex in them also. Some masks have a latex based nasal bridge lining too
    Loozer wrote: »
    I've heard it all now

    Making masks out of condoms

    ??


  • #2444
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Loozer wrote: »
    I've heard it all now

    Making masks out of condoms

    Or marigold gloves


  • #2445
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,404 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Loozer wrote: »
    Dunno

    The verdict is out on overall benefit
    I honestly don't see any real drawback with the mask thing.
    Home made ones rather than medical for public to keep stocks of medical ones for front line.
    The best example would be Czech rep they had a real grass roots campaign early to make them.
    The numbers there don't seem to lie.
    276 deaths and people are now free to move.


  • #2446
    UrbanSprawl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭UrbanSprawl


    Has this being posted? Could he be right? One would like to naturally assume so I guess we will know in a few weeks.

    https://unherd.com/thepost/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-the-covid-19-epidemic-was-never-exponential/

    His observation is a simple one: that in outbreak after outbreak of this disease, a similar mathematical pattern is observable regardless of government interventions. After around a two week exponential growth of cases (and, subsequently, deaths) some kind of break kicks in, and growth starts slowing down. The curve quickly becomes “sub-exponential”.


  • #2447
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Loozer wrote: »
    I've heard it all now

    Making masks out of condoms

    Or better yet full body suits made from them. Maybe something like this.;)

    ydmy1Nf.jpg?fb


  • #2448
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    gmisk wrote: »
    I honestly don't see any real drawback with the mask thing.
    Home made ones rather than medical for public to keep stocks of medical ones for front line.
    The best example would be Czech rep they had a real grass roots campaign early to make them.
    The numbers there don't seem to lie.
    276 deaths and people are now free to move.

    I agree, I think masks would get us faster back to the new normal we keep hearing about. I have some med grade masks i bought months ago but also ordered some home made ones, should arrive next week.


  • #2449
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    UrbanSprawl wrote: »
    Has this being posted? Could he be right? One would like to naturally assume so I guess we will know in a few weeks.

    https://unherd.com/thepost/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-the-covid-19-epidemic-was-never-exponential/

    His observation is a simple one: that in outbreak after outbreak of this disease, a similar mathematical pattern is observable regardless of government interventions. After around a two week exponential growth of cases (and, subsequently, deaths) some kind of break kicks in, and growth starts slowing down. The curve quickly becomes “sub-exponential”.

    Already posted, he was correct with cases (2% error), but well off on deaths (39% error).


  • #2450
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    owlbethere wrote: »
    We've been told to date by our authorities that there's no point to wearing masks. It won't help...It will harm you more....

    I think the mood might be moving away from that and towards wearing masks in public indoor environments. We are still living with restrictions so you won't see an influx of people wearing masks just yet. Our government absolutely has to step up and get the population to wear masks going forward especially while we are going through the steps of lifting restrictions. It will be pointless if only some of the population wears a mask and not others. It has to be everyone, where possible (taking into consideration those who can't for medical reasons).

    Workplaces will enforce wearing them. Shops that open up again will insist on them for the sake of their staff. Public transport unions are pushing it big time, when its gets busier more people will start wearing them and could potentially a self policing thing. I can see attitudes to masks changing quiet fast.


  • #2451
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    khalessi wrote: »
    As the article says he is not an epidemiologist and this is an epdiemic

    It's true that statistics have to be interpreted by somebody who understands the subject. However I won't be dismissing what Michael Levitt says unless/until an epidemiologist specifically points out he has made a wrong assumption because of something he has missed that someone in the field would have known. What part of the puzzle is he missing due to his lack of knowledge in this micro-specialisation?

    The irony of posters here calling out a statistical expert because he is 'only' a famous biologist and Nobel-winning physicist.

    Read the early threads in this series starting from near the end of Part III if you want a masterclass in misinterpretation of medical statistics due to tendentious assumptions.


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  • #2452
    Stheno
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52589449

    Speculation someone who returned from Wuhan in mid December brought it back to the UK and it infected two choirs


  • #2453
    UrbanSprawl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭UrbanSprawl


    I don't think we can stay in Lockdown till July or August. If the cases are low enough get people back to work before we bankrupt the country and have to be bailed out again. We also need to build up some sort of immunity to it .Our children and young people are facing a bleak future unless we take the correct and brave decisions.


  • #2454
    BorneTobyWilde
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    https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1259573382208765955


  • #2455
    New Home
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    Loozer wrote: »
    I've heard it all now

    Making masks out of condoms

    Username checks out. :rolleyes:

    1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latex
    and
    2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latex_allergy


  • #2456
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Workplaces will enforce wearing them. Shops that open up again will insist on them for the sake of their staff. Public transport unions are pushing it big time, when its gets busier more people will start wearing them and could potentially a self policing thing. I can see attitudes to masks changing quiet fast.

    Yeah, Mask is the safest way to keep things normal during covid-19.


  • #2457
    Loozer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Loozer


    Stheno wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52589449

    Speculation someone who returned from Quhan in mid December brought it back to the UK and it infected two choirs

    They all went to Cheltenham then

    That's how it got here


  • #2458
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    UrbanSprawl wrote: »
    I don't think we can stay in Lockdown till July or August. If the cases are low enough get people back to work before we bankrupt the country and have to be bailed out again. We also need to build up some sort of immunity to it .Our children and young people are facing a bleak future unless we take the correct and brave decisions.

    When the lockdown ends, we won't be going back to normal. We will still need social distancing.

    Maybe the lockdown was the correct and brave decision.


  • #2459
    New Home
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    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Or better yet full body suits made from them. Maybe something like this.;)

    ydmy1Nf.jpg?fb

    Make sure you make some holes in them to make them more breathable. :cool::D


  • #2460
    Loozer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Loozer


    Renjit wrote: »
    Yeah, Mask is the safest way to keep things normal during covid-19.

    Except it's not

    Social distancing is


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  • #2461
    Stheno
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    Loozer wrote: »
    They all went to Cheltenham then

    That's how it got here

    This was months before Cheltenham :rolleyes: and there aare tens if not hundreds of flights between the UK and Ireland every day, rather, there were.


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