Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

ChelseaRentBoy · 10-05-2020 06:31PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Why so many new cases?

After the way I've seen people behave with the good weather the last week I think we'll do well to keep it under 300 new cases a day for the foreseeable.

An Ciarraioch · 10-05-2020 06:32PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

That though stems from population density though more than attitude to large degree I would guess.

Undoubtedly, but Cork seems fairly impressive over the last week on that score.

Deeper Blue · 10-05-2020 06:35PM

I see there's talk that the UK could ease measures in locations that aren't considered virus hotspots.

We should also be doing this imo

podgeandrodge · 10-05-2020 06:35PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Almost like people don't read their own links.

They read the bits that satisfy their paranoia.

Edit Speckle has clarified their post to clarify what they meant, but what I am saying does apply to a lot of people, looking for the worst possible content to justify world lockdown!

RugbyLad11 · 10-05-2020 06:36PM

sunbeam wrote: »

What about people who cannot wear them for medical reasons? Are they going to be refused entry to shops or public transport? Or would they have to carry around some kind of medical cert to prove it?

I don't know of any medical condition which would prevent someone for doing even something simple such as using a scarf to cover their mouth and nose.

Which condition would prevent this?

GM228 · 10-05-2020 06:36PM

Seamai wrote: »

While it's 12 deaths too many it's the lowest in a long time and to be welcomed.

Indeed, lowest daily reported number since March 30th.

Wibbs · 10-05-2020 06:37PM

sunbeam wrote: »

What about people who cannot wear them for medical reasons? Are they going to be refused entry to shops or public transport? Or would they have to carry around some kind of medical cert to prove it?

What medical reason would preclude someone from wearing a surgical mask, or a DIY cloth one? A missing ear maybe, but otherwise I can't think of one. We're not talking PP3 respirators here.

Deeper Blue · 10-05-2020 06:39PM

sunbeam wrote: »

What about people who cannot wear them for medical reasons? Are they going to be refused entry to shops or public transport? Or would they have to carry around some kind of medical cert to prove it?

I can't really think of any medical conditions that would prevent someone from wearing a mask? Unless I'm missing something obvious

In any case I can't see that being an issue for 99.9% of the population

Edit: Didn't see Wibbs' post above. What Wibbs said

Edit part 2: Didn't see RugbyLad11's post above. What RugbyLad11 said

Boggles · 10-05-2020 06:39PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I don't know of any medical condition which would prevent someone for doing even something simple such as using a scarf to cover their mouth and nose.

Which condition would prevent this?

No head syndrome.

Very very rare.

Loozer · 10-05-2020 06:40PM

NDWC wrote: »

I see there's talk that the UK could ease measures in locations that aren't considered virus hotspots.

We should also be doing this imo

It will draw in people with the virus from other locations

kyote00 · 10-05-2020 06:41PM

ageism and sexism in one sentence - bravo.

Lundstram wrote: »

So many middle-aged women hanging around supermarkets talking sh1te to other middle-aged women blocking doors aisles and car parking spots. They have the nerve then to blame young people. Absolutely dread going shopping these days.

blade1 · 10-05-2020 06:42PM

Wibbs wrote: »

What medical reason would preclude someone from wearing a surgical mask, or a DIY cloth one? A missing ear maybe, but otherwise I can't think of one. We're not talking PP3 respirators here.

Maybe someone with a trunk instead of a nose or something :eek:

GM228 · 10-05-2020 06:42PM

Speak Now wrote: »

Good to see the daily deaths continuing to reduce.

Whilst not huge its disappointing to see the new case numbers rise for the 3rd consecutive day, long time since that happened.

Yes they may have risen, but, we are still holding out at a steady daily 1% increase for 7 days in a row now, NI is the same at a steady 1% for 6 days now.

New cumulative hospital admissions have held at a 13% daily rise for 9 days in a row now whilst the cumulative ICU admissions has held at 2% daily rise for 27 days now, something must be working?

WhiteMemento9 · 10-05-2020 06:43PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Undoubtedly, but Cork seems fairly impressive over the last week on that score.

I don't know the exact number but Cork is the biggest County in Ireland in terms of area with well under half the number of people living in Dublin which is one of the smallest counties in terms of area. Population density is massively different.

podgeandrodge · 10-05-2020 06:47PM

All this mask stuff, fine, some of us love the idea so much they'd recommend wearing one in the bedroom. Others have a more relaxed approach.

But the pro and anti mask wearers should probably all clarify the context.

Instead of " masks need to be mandatory" and "there's no need for masks", we might all agree with each other a bit more if we elaborate.

I don't believe in masks being necessary out walking or doing a quick shop, as I haven't heard much info about supermarket staff falling in their droves. But I'd agree with them being necessary in a cinema if they reopened or in any crowded space where you will be there for a while and can't social distance. Etc etc.

owlbethere · 10-05-2020 06:48PM

Wibbs wrote: »

What medical reason would preclude someone from wearing a surgical mask, or a DIY cloth one? A missing ear maybe, but otherwise I can't think of one. We're not talking PP3 respirators here.

People with respiratory illness like COPD who need to use a portable oxygen tank. They will have a tube from the tank to around their face with prongs delivering oxygen into their nose. That would be one example.

Away With The Fairies · 10-05-2020 06:51PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

When we start easing restrictions it is going to be a free for all. One of the main things I have taken from this whole thing is that people are completely incapable of taking any personal responsibility. Not just that alone but I am flabbergasted at the amount of people that need extreme hard rules to be able to discern things that are safe and unsafe.The binary thinking that if it isn't mandated exactly by the Government then whatever they are doing is perfectly fine. Is this a lack of awareness, critical thinking ability or where does it stem from?

And this isn't even coming from young, uninformed, invisible people either. People in the 30s and 40s where you would expect some cop on.

10-05-2020 06:52PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

All this mask stuff, fine, some of us love the idea so much they'd recommend wearing one in the bedroom. Others have a more relaxed approach.

Ive actually been assuming that the people who I see wearing them in their car would also wear them in the bedroom

Away With The Fairies · 10-05-2020 06:54PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

All this mask stuff, fine, some of us love the idea so much they'd recommend wearing one in the bedroom. Others have a more relaxed approach.

But the pro and anti mask wearers should probably all clarify the context.

Instead of " masks need to be mandatory" and "there's no need for masks", we might all agree with each other a bit more if we elaborate.

I don't believe in masks being necessary out walking or doing a quick shop, as I haven't heard much info about supermarket staff falling in their droves. But I'd agree with them being necessary in a cinema if they reopened or in any crowded space where you will be there for a while and can't social distance. Etc etc.

They need to be worn anywhere there's people, including shops.

What Username Guidelines · 10-05-2020 06:55PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

1. How will it go away without a vaccine? (Any time soon)
2. How did you decide most of the world has been infected?
3. How do you think a vaccine will do more harm than good?

:rolleyes:

One point 1 - I know previous pandemics were influenzas, but still novel strains, and they seem to wane within months, or at least each peak lasts months. Maybe it’s a seasonal factor, maybe it doesn’t happen with coronavirus strains.

This lad slid the death count in the uk back a few months and compared it to previous flu seasons (I know, not a flu) but interesting nonetheless.

https://twitter.com/alistairhaimes/status/1258429564113608704?s=21

Although he does seem to have a very strong anti-lockdown agenda judging by other tweets.

However, he’s mapped deaths by date of occurrence as opposed to announcement and those also seem to follow a classic epidemiological curve too.

https://twitter.com/alistairhaimes/status/1259518217556557826?s=21

This could all be down to lockdowns, some seem to believe that peak infections in Spain/Italy/france etc all happened days before lockdowns due to people voluntarily social distancing and it may be enough without the bluntness of a blanket lockdown.

Tbh I don’t know what to believe in terms of models, predictions, etc. I’m just very confused why everyone is treating this like it will be around forever, or until a vaccine, when previous pandemics have come in waves that last maybe 3-4 months, and eventually fade or become less deadly.

iamwhoiam · 10-05-2020 06:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ive actually been assuming that the people who I see wearing them in their car would also wear them in the bedroom

I don’t why wearing a mask in the car is so odd . I put my mask on at home , I prefer to adjust it and get it right and get my glasses in position at home . I then drive 10 mins to the supermarket and into a queue with my mask sitting right so I don’t have to touch it
I would be one of those you see with a mask on in the car and no I don’t wear it in the house or outdoors on a walk

Beasty · 10-05-2020 06:59PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Why so many new cases?

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

After the way I've seen people behave with the good weather the last week I think we'll do well to keep it under 300 new cases a day for the foreseeable.

The newly reported cases probably picked it up 2+ weeks ago

khalessi · 10-05-2020 07:00PM

owlbethere wrote: »

People with respiratory illness like COPD who need to use a portable oxygen tank. They will have a tube from the tank to around their face with prongs delivering oxygen into their nose. That would be one example.

The oxygen tubing in this case is brought along the cheeks and over the ear and is tightened at the back. An oxygen mask in this case could easily be worn and I have seen so in hospital when transferring cancer patients with the oxygen tubing. Ear loops could prove uncomfortable but tied to back of head like hospital masks not so bad

GM228 · 10-05-2020 07:02PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

31 March: Pet cat tests positive for COVID-19 virus.

www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/202003/31/P2020033100717.htm

Animals testing positive is nothing new, however that particular animal has not been notified to the OIE oddly enough (who are the animal version of the WHO), in fact the OIE have two members from Hong Kong who sit on their ad hoc COVID-19 group and neither the March 31s or April 7th and 28th updates mentioned this cat, though it is on an official AFCD press release.

The current known animal situation is as follows:-

Animal Type

|

Confirmed

| Suspected

Cat

|

4

| 1

Dog

|

2

| 0

Lion

|

0

| 3

Mink

|

4

| 0

Tiger

|

1

| 3

TOTALS

|

11

| 7

podgeandrodge · 10-05-2020 07:03PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

They need to be worn anywhere there's people, including shops.

including outside walking up the street?

What's your view on how we reached practically zero community transmission without masks in shops to date?

stephenjmcd · 10-05-2020 07:07PM

No idea what to make of this myself but thought I'd put it up here
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nobel-scientist-predicts-virus-will-burn-out-in-next-two-weeks-39194015.html

Away With The Fairies · 10-05-2020 07:08PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

including outside walking up the street?

What's your view on how we reached practically zero community transmission without masks in shops to date?

I don't know much about transmission outside. A crowded street, maybe.

And I don't believe zero community transmission considering they weren't testing everyone with symptoms. You had to fall into their criteria that only changed last week. Off course we done well, if you don't test.

Miike · 10-05-2020 07:09PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No idea what to make of this myself but thought I'd put it up here
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nobel-scientist-predicts-virus-will-burn-out-in-next-two-weeks-39194015.html

This was posted by someone else in earlier in this thread:

https://unherd.com/thepost/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-the-covid-19-epidemic-was-never-exponential/

Note the language he uses when talking about loss of older people etc. Thankfully it will only takes 2 weeks to entirely discredit him.

GM228 · 10-05-2020 07:11PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No idea what to make of this myself but thought I'd put it up here
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nobel-scientist-predicts-virus-will-burn-out-in-next-two-weeks-39194015.html

The raw data takes account of the so called "lockdown", does it take account of potential second waves if you exit lockdown earlier I wonder?

A Nobel Prize- winning scientist has predicted, through analysing raw data, that Ireland's death rate and infection will "burn itself out" in the next two weeks, enabling an earlier exit from lockdown.

ACitizenErased · 10-05-2020 07:11PM

Miike wrote: »

This was posted by someone else in earlier in this thread:

https://unherd.com/thepost/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-the-covid-19-epidemic-was-never-exponential/

Note the language he uses when talking about loss of older people etc. Thankfully it will only takes 2 weeks to entirely discredit him.

He predicted China's numbers almost exactly. Wouldn't exactly discredit him.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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