Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Jackman25 · 10-05-2020 01:05PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

781 new cases in one day in the UAE yesterday, 16 days after they relaxed pretty strict (but imho great) restrictions https://www.khaleejtimes.com/coronavirus-pandemic/coronavirus-uae-announces-781-new-cases-509-recoveries-13-deaths

Singapore got surges after they relaxed theirs

But by all means, lift the restrictions here. It'll be grand :rolleyes:

(I'm posting this here rather than the Restrictions thread. I'll commit internet murder if I have to engage anymore with some of the absolute gobshítes in that cesspit)

Will you calm down a bit. not sure who you are calling gob****es - you were already banned from one thread for hysterical shrieking.

On Singapore:

"The city-state’s reversal is attributable chiefly to a failure to focus sufficiently on the society’s most marginalised people: the migrant workers who fill construction sites while living in cramped communal housing. More than three-quarters of cases now come from dormitories where workers, many of them from the Indian subcontinent, often live 10 to 20 people to one room."

ShineOn7 · 10-05-2020 01:10PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, Singapore was an own-goal as it came in via the immigrant workers living cheek by jowl. I wonder is the UAE similar?

That's a fair point. Most of their hotels are built by immigrants living in appaling conditions, sometimes 8 to a room in sleeping bags

But from what I've read the published UAE numbers aren't including immigrant worker cases. They love to downplay their immigrant workers and their conditions

The fact still stands though:

When they had fairly strict restrictions (compared to Ireland, which wouldn't be hard) - they had great numbers

When they lifted them - numbers rise sharply

ChelseaRentBoy · 10-05-2020 01:14PM

cnocbui wrote: »

There are people who would have us on lockdown until a vaccine is being distributed. The central banks can't print enough money for that, it is just no substitute for the product of peoples labour. If we wait a bit longer until most companies are literally destroyed through bankruptcy, the only people left with jobs will be the public sector. they will have pocket fulls of hyper inflated euros and nothing to spend them on because the other 80% are all out of work producing nothing.

There is talk of imminent famine that will kill many time the virus' toll.
There are other medical issues that kill people and governments and virus panicers are ignoring that issue and it's consequences.

Some people, including governments, seem to have forgotten the basics: lockdown was to flatten the curve, not erase of it, because you can't once a virus reaches pandemic levels, that's why every easing of restrictions, in places like Korea and Germany and Singapore, sees sudden outbreaks again.

At some point, you just have to face reality and let nature take it's course, and we are about there. There will be worse consequences from trying to outlast the virus than getting back to the curve flattening and attempting to restart what's left of the world's economies.

Name one person who would have us in lockdown until a vaccine is provided?

Colibri · 10-05-2020 01:14PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We need mandatory face masks/covers NOW. Is there something they don't understand about this. We don't have a vaccine, they are still doing trials on possible treatments with other drugs... Masks/coverings until we have a vaccine.

https://twitter.com/orlaryan/status/1259442614643949568

Up until recently, they didn't even acknowledge there very real risk of asymptomatic cases spreading the virus. Face masking is so incredibly important, I don't know what their game is. This is essential.

JoChervil · 10-05-2020 01:14PM

wakka12 wrote: »

The severity of the virus to young people with mild illnesses such as asthma has been totally blown out of proportion. Anyone under 40 without serious immunocompromisation worrying about dying from this is being extremely irrational. If you are that age the only worries you should have is potentially passing the virus onto older and vulnerable people you come into contact with.

But also, to say it is a very mild illness is equally daft. I think the massive excess death throughout the western world would prove that not to be true. It does almost exclusively kill vulnerable people but nonetheless it is killing them in astonishingly large numbers

This virus is still unknown. Are you entirely sure you can get rid of it from your body once you contracted it? What if it has a capability to hide in the body and activate when a person become vulnerable for whatever reason? Other viruses like herpes can do it, so why this one can't? Herpes can give you only ugly look of your mouth while activated, while this one can kill you.

I prefer to be cautious and not allow to spread it unnecessary.

ChelseaRentBoy · 10-05-2020 01:16PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We need mandatory face masks/covers NOW. Is there something they don't understand about this. We don't have a vaccine, they are still doing trials on possible treatments with other drugs... Masks/coverings until we have a vaccine.

There are posters on this very site who believe people are wearing face masks to scare other people, that's the level in intellectual ability we are dealing with.

Colibri · 10-05-2020 01:16PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

?

It's not law in SK to wear masks, it's just been the norm. This guy didn't wear a mask it seems.

irishgeo · 10-05-2020 01:23PM

Colibri wrote: »

https://twitter.com/orlaryan/status/1259442614643949568

Up until recently, they didn't even acknowledge there very real risk of asymptomatic cases spreading the virus. Face masking is so incredibly important, I don't know what their game is. This is essential.

Face masks for asymptomatic cases yes but how do you know you have it.

eagle eye · 10-05-2020 01:23PM

Away With The Fairies wrote:

We need mandatory face masks/covers NOW. Is there something they don't understand about this. We don't have a vaccine, they are still doing trials on possible treatments with other drugs... Masks/coverings until we have a vaccine.

And state quarantine for everybody entering the country.

is_that_so · 10-05-2020 01:24PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

There are posters on this very site who believe people are wearing face masks to scare other people, that's the level in intellectual ability we are dealing with.

About 1 in 10 in Lidl today, wearing masks and if even 1 in 15 out on the street is what I am seeing. What does it feel like to be among the only intelligent people in the country?

Colibri · 10-05-2020 01:25PM

irishgeo wrote: »

Face masks for asymptomatic cases yes but how do you know you have it.

That's why widespread mask usage is so very important.

Colibri · 10-05-2020 01:28PM

is_that_so wrote: »

About 1 in 10 in Lidl today, wearing masks and if even 1 in 15 out on the street is what I am seeing. What does it feel like to be among the only intelligent people in the country?

I'd chalk that down to soft messaging from the current government.

Tony Holohan himself said that from the start of Phase 1, face coverings will play a part, but not to go and mask up right now.. why? The virus won't give us a head start.

ChelseaRentBoy · 10-05-2020 01:29PM

eagle eye wrote: »

And state quarantine for everybody entering the country.

We seem to be behind the curve on absolutely everything here. It's dumbfounding how people are still getting off a plane and there is nothing in the way of quarantine. Just away you go not to worry oh and don't bother with a mask you might look uncool.

We should have a mandatory 2 week quarantine enforced on everyone entering the state straight away. This is just good practice.

JoChervil · 10-05-2020 01:31PM

irishgeo wrote: »

Face masks for asymptomatic cases yes but how do you know you have it.

So to be on a safe side assume you have it and wear the mask...

ACitizenErased · 10-05-2020 01:33PM

The lack of information regarding face coverings is a disgrace honestly. What are they waiting for? I don’t get it, it’s irrational and dangerous.

JoChervil · 10-05-2020 01:33PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

There are posters on this very site who believe people are wearing face masks to scare other people, that's the level in intellectual ability we are dealing with.

It's funny but there is some truth in it. When I wear the mask, people keep proper distance from me. When I don't, they don't care.

Colibri · 10-05-2020 01:35PM

The usual arguments against face masking have been debunked too, yet people still spout the same nonsense.

It makes zero sense not to wear a mask in public.

is_that_so · 10-05-2020 01:36PM

Colibri wrote: »

I'd chalk that down to soft messaging from the current government.

Tony Holohan himself said that from the start of Phase 1, face coverings will play a part, but not to go and mask up right now.. why? The virus won't give us a head start.

Actually their message has been pretty blunt throughout, weak evidence, save for those who where infected. They are taking their lead from WHO and ECDC and they are equivocal on that advice.

Jackman25 · 10-05-2020 01:39PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

There are posters on this very site who believe people are wearing face masks to scare other people, that's the level in intellectual ability we are dealing with.

I don't think you are in any position to be slagging off peoples intellectual ability
Your own post in the other thread about people losing their jobs.

Terrible but they'll find it hard to find a job if they are dead.

Kermit.de.frog · 10-05-2020 01:39PM

Colibri wrote: »

The usual arguments against face masking have been debunked too, yet people still spout the same nonsense.

It makes zero sense not to wear a mask in public.

Always been true but due to lack of PPE a different and confusing message was given to the public.

Could have been messaged better and now they have to undo that.

ACitizenErased · 10-05-2020 01:39PM

Is there a chance that government are acting against the face coverings idea? I honestly think that can be the only explanation. The CMO said there’d be information about face coverings around now.

bloodless_coup · 10-05-2020 01:40PM

is_that_so wrote: »

About 1 in 10 in Lidl today, wearing masks and if even 1 in 15 out on the street is what I am seeing. What does it feel like to be among the only intelligent people in the country?

Don't fret about it, you're definitely not intelligent.

Colibri · 10-05-2020 01:41PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Actually their message has been pretty blunt throughout, weak evidence, save for those who where infected. They are taking their lead from WHO and ECDC and they are equivocal on that advice.

The evidence is far from weak, but I'll ask you to provide proof for that claim.

As far as health bodies go, the CDC, ECDC and in part the WHO are recommending face masks as a form of source control. Egress, not ingress.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/using-face-masks-community-reducing-covid-19-transmission

The use of face masks in public may serve as a means of source control to reduce the spread of the infection in the community by minimising the excretion of respiratory droplets from infected individuals who have not yet developed symptoms or who remain asymptomatic. It is not known how much the use of masks in the community can contribute to a decrease in transmission in addition to the other countermeasures.

https://www.lbcnews.co.uk/uk-news/who-envoy-says-he-will-be-wearing-face-mask-to-red/

"Face protection needs to be worn by people who have symptoms of the disease or suspect they might have symptoms of the disease. That stops them spreading it."

(though I don't know why the WHO are dragging their heels and not recommending them outright yet)

eagle eye · 10-05-2020 01:42PM

There isn't going to be a vaccine anytime soon for this thing so to me there is only one option. Stay in our semi-lockdown statec until mid-June. Make it law right now to wear facemasks in urban areas, shops etc. and to state quarantine all coming into the country until we have a vaccine.
That way we rid ourselves of the virus and can all go back to work and not have to worry about covid-19 in our daily lives.

is_that_so · 10-05-2020 01:43PM

bloodless_coup wrote: »

Don't fret about it, you're definitely not intelligent.

I am assuming this is a searing putdown as the post shows little evidence you could pull off sarcasm.

ChelseaRentBoy · 10-05-2020 01:44PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

I don't think you are in any position to be slagging off peoples intellectual ability
Your own post in the other thread about people losing their jobs.

Thanks, i always wanted a stalker.

You think it would be easier to find a job when dead then i'm presuming ?

cnocbui · 10-05-2020 01:46PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Name one person who would have us in lockdown until a vaccine is provided?

Kermit de Frog.

is_that_so · 10-05-2020 01:47PM

Colibri wrote: »

The evidence is far from weak, but I'll ask you to provide proof for that claim.

As far as health bodies go, the CDC, ECDC and in part the WHO are recommending face masks as a form of source control. Egress, not ingress.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/using-face-masks-community-reducing-covid-19-transmission

https://www.lbcnews.co.uk/uk-news/who-envoy-says-he-will-be-wearing-face-mask-to-red/

(though I don't know why the WHO are dragging their heels and not recommending them outright yet)

I'm repeating their position on this and whatever changes might emerge it will not be mandatory. Incidentally that ECDC link says may serve, that's nor clear evidence of anything. I would take the advice of the US CDC with a large barrel of salt, there's a different agenda at work there.

ChelseaRentBoy · 10-05-2020 01:48PM

eagle eye wrote: »

There isn't going to be a vaccine anytime soon for this thing so to me there is only one option. Stay in our semi-lockdown statec until mid-June. Make it law right now to wear facemasks in urban areas, shops etc. and to state quarantine all coming into the country until we have a vaccine.
That way we rid ourselves of the virus and can all go back to work and not have to worry about covid-19 in our daily lives.

The government has spent an absolute fortune on social distancing adds and they have worked for the majority of people.

Why not put funds into a massive advertising campaign educating people on the merits of proper face mask usage and the advantages of same.

This is stuff that should have been done weeks ago. I just can't understand the logic to this. We all want to go back to work and about our lives as much as possible and masks are going to play a massive role in this.

Tokyo · 10-05-2020 01:48PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

(I'm posting this here rather than the Restrictions thread. I'll commit internet murder if I have to engage anymore with some of the absolute gobshítes in that cesspit)

Mod: Consider yourself threadbanned from that 'cesspit'.

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ShineOn7 wrote: »

Oh jaysus. They're in this thread too

Mod: Banned from this thread too.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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