Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Plumbthedepths · 09-05-2020 01:05PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

And treatable???

Yes the treatment is called 'immortality'. Outrageously expensive though that's why noone has benefited from it yet.

Funsterdelux · 09-05-2020 01:05PM

GM228 wrote: »

But, it's not a "disease".

Aye.

Its about getting older

JoChervil · 09-05-2020 01:06PM

hmmm wrote: »

Please don't start taking the Youtube videos of a single doctor as some proven fact.

It was proved many times after that.

Don't you think Boris Johnson wasn't put on ventilator just because doctors learned by this time?

09-05-2020 01:06PM

There is a UFC fight tomorrow night. All fighters have been tested for covid. A Brazilian fighter has tested positive so can't fight. Two of his corner men have also tested positive. Interestingly there were all asymptomatic.

GM228 · 09-05-2020 01:07PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

And treatable???

Well, we could suggest visiting and drinking the well water in St. Augustine and hope to find what Ponce de León once found.

hmmm · 09-05-2020 01:12PM

GM228 wrote: »

But, it's not a "disease".

There's a lot of scientists pushing for aging to be reclassified as a disease. We accept aging and death as "normal" because we have had no choice, but as we begin to understand what causes aging it becomes something we can potentially fix. Aging suddenly becomes the leading cause of death (

).

hmmm · 09-05-2020 01:16PM

JoChervil wrote: »

It was proved many times after that.

No it wasn't "proven", this isn't Facebook. We still don't know enough about the disease, the mechanisms behind it, and what course of treatments is correct. Most very severe patients are still put on ventilators, and other approaches are being tested.

Curious_Case · 09-05-2020 01:17PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Divers can also suffer a condition known as the 'Bends' not a risk for the wider non diver community.

You're absolutely correct, the "bends" is neither contagious or lung related so not a worry to non divers.

cnocbui · 09-05-2020 01:45PM

GM228 wrote: »

But, it's not a "disease".

It is a degenerative disease. It's not known to be caused by a pathogen, but it certainly isn't charecterised by an optimal state of health.

Martina1991 · 09-05-2020 01:48PM

Mike3287 wrote:

Â£99 in UK, Abbot one too which is almost 99.9% accurate.

They will be on amazon and in boots soon, sure to bring down prices

I seriously seriously doubt the Abbott one is 99.9% accurate.

Next thing it'll be Wish selling antibody tests.

Boggles · 09-05-2020 01:55PM

is_that_so wrote: »

He said it wasn't consistent with their advice at that time but it was shortly after. The answer to that question is an opinion. I don't have the qualifications nor data to answer it is my answer although I believe the area of care centre outcomes is a whole lot more complicated than one decision.

Jaysus you seem to have the qualifications and data to answer every other question, but when I ask one of the most straight forward simplistic one you plead the 5th.

More spinning than a Hotpoint factory.

New Home · 09-05-2020 01:55PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Children need to be exposed to illness to develop a robust immune system.

2. EDITED AGAIN (I should really read better before posting, apologies): Colds are one thing, COVID19 is quite another. They also need to be exposed to traffic to learn of its dangers and to learn how to cross the road safely, but you don't send them to play on the motorway to do that.

1. EDIT TO CLARIFY: The following is not a rebuttal to Plumbthedepths, I'm in total agreement with him/her, regarding the nursing homes.

Re: the whole nursing home fiasco, you really didn't need a degree in anything at all to figure out the HSE was making a huge, huge mistake in demanding they'd be reopened.

There's a contagious virus around, transmitted by people; not only that, but it's also transmitted by ASYMPTOMATIC people. It follows that the fewer the people around, the fewer the chances of contagion. Obviously you cannot block access to staff (they're necessary), but you can further reduce the risk of them being carriers and spreading it by implementing stringent controls and the correct use of PPE and disinfectants. Anyone with less than an ounce of common sense could've come to that conclusion.

Plumbthedepths · 09-05-2020 01:59PM

New Home wrote: »

They also need to be exposed to traffic to learn of its dangers and to learn how to cross the road safely, but you don't send them to play on the motorway to do that.

Re: the whole nursing home fiasco, you really didn't need a degree in anything at all to figure out the HSE was making a huge, huge mistake in demanding they'd be reopened.

There's a contagious virus around, transmitted by people; not only that, but it's also transmitted by ASYMPTOMATIC people. It follows that the fewer the people around, the lesser the chances of contagion. Obviously you cannot block access to staff (they're necessary), but you can further reduce the risk of them being carriers and spreading it by implementing stringent controls and the correct use of PPE and disinfectants. Anyone with less than an ounce of common sense could've come to that conclusion.

I have further back the thread referenced the situation of a private nursing home a friend's daughter is working in. The director of nursing has kept the virus out of the home by her actions and unwillingness to listen to either Holohan or the HSE. So absolutely no idea as to why you felt it necessary to mention nursing homes to me in your reply.
I don't think Holohan should be canonised like many seem to think he should be. He has some serious questions to answer.

New Home · 09-05-2020 02:01PM

Oh, and one more thing about the ventilators. Yes, they do bring their own serious issues, but lung and organ damage are brought on by the infection itself, too - if the alveoli aren't expanding because of the infection, oxygen on its own won't be enough, that's why the pressure of the ventilator is needed (and it's not an on/off switch, either, there are various settings that can be used on the basis of specific calculations to decide what's best with a given patient).

Put it this way: there's a terrible accident, someone is stuck in a car that's about to explode and you don't know if they've spinal injuries. What do you do, do you leave them in the burning car to die, or do you do your best to extract them trying not to cause further damage, but knowing full well that you might?

New Home · 09-05-2020 02:03PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I have further back the thread referenced the situation of a private nursing home a friend's daughter is working in. The director of nursing has kept the virus out of the home by her actions and unwillingness to listen to either Holohan or the HSE. So absolutely no idea as to why you felt it necessary to mention nursing homes to me in your reply.
I don't think Holohan should be canonised like many seem to think he should be. He has some serious questions to answer.

Apologies, I probably wasn't clear - the part about the immune system was a reply to you all right, but the rest wasn't addressed at you at all, I was completely agreeing with you, and that director deserves a monument!

(Previous post now edited)

Plumbthedepths · 09-05-2020 02:06PM

New Home wrote: »

Apologies, I probably wasn't clear - the part about the immune system was a reply to you all right, but the rest wasn't addressed at you at all, I was completely agreeing with you, and that director deserves a monument!

I didn't address the first part of your reply, as I'm trying to be polite today.
As for the director she did her job, she protected the people under her care. Unfortunately the state and Holohan didn't.

Strumms · 09-05-2020 02:08PM

New Home wrote: »

They also need to be exposed to traffic to learn of its dangers and to learn how to cross the road safely, but you don't send them to play on the motorway to do that.

Re: the whole nursing home fiasco, you really didn't need a degree in anything at all to figure out the HSE was making a huge, huge mistake in demanding they'd be reopened.

There's a contagious virus around, transmitted by people; not only that, but it's also transmitted by ASYMPTOMATIC people. It follows that the fewer the people around, the lesser the chances of contagion. Obviously you cannot block access to staff (they're necessary), but you can further reduce the risk of them being carriers and spreading it by implementing stringent controls and the correct use of PPE and disinfectants. Anyone with less than an ounce of common sense could've come to that conclusion.

Unfortunately it’s pandering to those obsessed with ‘needing’ to see people. You probably had every ‘mental heath advocate’ screaming from the rooftops that the residents needed to and therefore ‘should’ see their families and fûck the risk to staff, their own families, loved ones and so on.

Of course too you’d have all the super hero relations chomping at the bit... “no, we got into see Mary, brought her a blanket, chocolate, flowers, fruit, last 3 weeks newspapers, a photo of the dog and a months supply of polygrip. ALL over Facebook.

Sit fûcking tight and keep us all well and alive ffs.

ek motor · 09-05-2020 02:09PM

Famotidine (heartburn medication) may be beneficial in treating Covid-19.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.20086694v1

Eod100 · 09-05-2020 02:09PM

Some positive trends here. The amount of data from private tech companies while useful for public health reasons is kinda scary tbh. https://twitter.com/ronan_glynn/status/1259089176009543680?s=19

New Home · 09-05-2020 02:12PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I didn't address the first part of your reply, as I'm trying to be polite today.
As for the director she did her job, she protected the people under her care. Unfortunately the state and Holohan didn't.

I owe you another apology, I misread your post and understood it to mean Covid19, not colds. Once again, we're in complete agreement.

cnocbui · 09-05-2020 02:23PM

ek motor wrote: »

Famotidine (heartburn medication) may be beneficial in treating Covid-19.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.20086694v1

Add it to the list.

Away With The Fairies · 09-05-2020 02:25PM

ek motor wrote: »

Famotidine (heartburn medication) may be beneficial in treating Covid-19.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.20086694v1

Interesting. Something else to add to my list (I do get heartburn/reflux though)

09-05-2020 02:34PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Add it to the list.

Of?

GM228 · 09-05-2020 02:45PM

cnocbui wrote: »

It is a degenerative disease. It's not known to be caused by a pathogen, but it certainly isn't charecterised by an optimal state of health.

But, officially as I said it is not a disease, there are "aging related diseases", but aging itself is not a disease, a disease is any abnormality of bodily structure or function, other than those arising directly from physical injury, but getting old is not an abnormality.

As another poster has said there are scientists looking for it to be reclassified, Robert Perlman defined aging as a "disease complex" in 1954 when he wrote a paper known as the Aging Syndrome, but it was not widely accepted.

New Home · 09-05-2020 02:47PM

GM228 wrote: »

But, officially as I said it is not a disease, there are "aging related diseases", but aging itself is not a disease, a disease is any abnormality of bodily structure or function, other than those arising directly from physical injury, but getting old is not an abnormality.

Agreed.

My grandmother used to say that the alternative to getting old was dying young.

She wasn't wrong.

wadacrack · 09-05-2020 02:56PM

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31024-2/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR0L_tnXPHHQAMOzJXaCjMr7xzTuXGLHiv1sFvpUIYfs29Lhmdl6ohvIjL4

caveat emptor · 09-05-2020 03:06PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Children need to be exposed to illness to develop a robust immune system.

HIV ? EBOLA ? There are some illnesses that you don’t come back from.

New Home · 09-05-2020 03:09PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

HIV ? EBOLA ? There are some illnesses that you don’t come back from.

I made the same mistake - his(hers) was a reference to sniffles, which kids would be exposed to and catch in school/in childcare.

caveat emptor · 09-05-2020 03:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is a UFC fight tomorrow night. All fighters have been tested for covid. A Brazilian fighter has tested positive so can't fight. Two of his corner men have also tested positive. Interestingly there were all asymptomatic.

That’s mad that it’s going ahead. I guess they have to test them for everything with all the blood and fluids flying around.

I wonder how asymptomatic they were though. The promised pay check probably gave them a dose of it’ll be grand syndrome to boot.

cnocbui · 09-05-2020 03:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Of?

Drugs touted as looking promising in treating SARS-2. Like Chlorohydroquinone; which has transformed an eccentric long haired world leading authority French virologist into just a long haired eccentric French virologist.

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