Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I hate to say it but we gotta open up fast? Otherwise we ll have a society of drink at home, stay at home, netflix, junk cheap food from supermarket? Could have serious effect on the demographics

We already had that creeping in before the Corona virus hit , just add to your list

Higher rate of suicides now and in the future due to the economic fallout from closing down the economy, domestic abuse on the rise and alcohol abuse, obesity issues due to comfort eating during the lockdown.

From an economic point of view I think we should have followed the Swedish model, they never locked down there economy, they let the Swedish public decide. Or like the Czech Republic, they locked down immediately and now have opened up there economy now as they are through the peak.

Although the Swedes and Czechs are a more self disciplined societies than the Irish for complying with rules and regulations.

We are great for making up laws/rules however we don't enforce anything in this country.

snotboogie wrote: »

I am not moaning. I am pointing out the error in your statement, which is one i see over and over again. There is no plan to lift social distancing. Social distancing is the biggest restriction we have. To say there is a plan to lift our restrictions is false. There is a plan to lift as many ancillary restrictions as possible but there is no timeline on the big one.

There is no error in my statement. Just your own comprehension I'm afraid.

Social distancing is there because we are in the midst of a pandemic. It protects both you and me from being infected, getting seriously ill or passing it on to someone who may get seriously ill.

I think you are the first here to even suggest such complete and utter nonsense. Even those who want no restrictions have not pushed that daft idea. I think your comment just might get a special award for that

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Nobody can say that with any confidence. This is killing the end of life and terminally ill, primarily affecting the over 65's. Nothing can stop it affecting those. The more of those over 65 that are in the population the harder a country will suffer.

I dont think your giving enough credit to the irish public, the vast majority have followed the lockdown strictly with the results a clear indication of this. If we are told to socially distance and practise good hygiene, the vast majority will and I think this enough to stop our hospitals getting overwhelmed and a repeat of italy, that is my opinion on it. People will get sick and people will die but that is impossible stop.

niallo27 wrote: »

I dont think your giving enough credit to the irish public, the vast majority have followed the lockdown strictly with the results a clear indication of this. If we are told to socially distance and practise good hygiene, the vast majority will and I think this enough to stop our hospitals getting overwhelmed and a repeat of italy, that is my opinion on it. People will get sick and people will die but that is impossible stop.

Im not discrediting the Irish public. But I think people staying at home will not prevent something that kills people in nursing homes.
The point Im making is if it happened from the beginning again, if it gets into nursing home's the figures will look the same, restrictions outside or not

Newstalk now

SMEs are asking for 15 billion support package from the government to survive.

They are also asking for help to boost demand.

280 000 SMEs employing 1.5m people. 25% are in difficulty, 145 000 jobs at risk.

It is evident that lockdown needs to be lifted ahead of schedule. Instead of giving 350 per week to people to keep them at home, support the SMEs instead and let them pay their staff... Its better to save jobs than give 350 a week for netflix/cans/junk food at home.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Unfortunately this is not true. 1968 Pandemic had more deaths than Covid, much more deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html
So thats not last 100 years, but more last 50 years. 2nd off, They are aware of "the serious imbalance of money out versus money in". The issue we are raising here is that those people wont be in the decision making positions 6 months from now or 12 months from now, while the poverty created the "money out imbalance vs money in" will have to be suffered though by a younger generation that is COMPLETELY UNAFFECTED by covid. So you are creating huge poverty for a younger generation that does not even get affected by the very thing you are imposing the lockdown for. I've talked with 18 year olds and 19 year olds yesterday, all had 1 message "may need to go abroad". Does 1860 ring a bell?
They need to lift restrictions ahead of schedule, they can not start the lockdown drumming the "FLATTEN THE CURVE" and once curve is flattened take 3 months + to open the economy.

One difference there. The Covid pandemic is not over or even close. Perhaps you would like to place a bet with PaddyPowers if you are sure Covid-19 will have fewer deaths than 1968. Best of luck with that.

Your "younger generation" is most certainly NOT COMPLETELY UNAFFECTED by covid"

Leaving the many many young people who have long term Illnesses such as Asthma and who are at risk of becoming seriously ill or dying from Civid-19. There is the family of same young people - their parents, their siblings, their grandparents who may die and the effect of that on any individual cannot be underestimated.

A down turn in the economy does NOT just affect " young people". It effects everyone.

So you are talking to 18 and 19 year olds? (Hope you are observing social distancing btw) who think they might have to go abroad?

Where do you suggest they go? There is a global recession caused by the current outbreak with even Swedens economy without restrictions- being badly affected.

Thankfully the small number of screamers do not get to call the shots for everyone or just their own selfish ideas.

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

The is no plan to lift social distancing because unless a effective vaccine is developed distancing will remain in place for a long time to come. Deal with it.

And you think in 6 months times for example people will still be practising social distancing. I've posted this before, Denmark for example it's still to be practised, its widely not being adhered to. This is human nature.

It wont be lifted but we'll see if its still being adhered to given a vaccine could be a long time away or not at all. If not at all then what is the social impacts for years to come ? Young people for example are they to remain socially distant for years to come and not potentially meet future partners which under social distancing would be difficult. I think not.

Poster stated it will cause other issues, I've pointed out one that it will cause. No need to be aggressive in your deal with it tone, you've been quite clear in other posts you wont be doing anything until theres a vaccine, that's grand, let the rest of us get on with life and not waste years of it.

gozunda wrote: »

One difference there. The Covid pandemic is not over or even close. Perhaps you would like to place a bet with PaddyPowers if you are sure Covid-19 will have fewer deaths than 1968. Best of luck with that.

Your "younger generation" is most certainly NOT COMPLETELY UNAFFECTED by covid"

Leaving the many many young people who have long term Illnesses such as Asthma and who are at risk of becoming seriously ill or dying from Civid-19. There is the family of same young people - their parents, their siblings, their grandparents who may die and the effect of that on any individual cannot be underestimated.

A down turn in the economy does NOT just affect " young people". It effects everyone.

So you are talking to 18 and 19 year olds? (Hope you are observing social distancing btw) who think they might have to go abroad?

Where do you suggest they go? There is a global recession caused by the current outbreak with even Swedens economy without restrictions- being badly affected.

Thankfully the small number of screamers do not get to call the shots for everyone or just their own selfish ideas.

My friend - good morning. Sorry where were my manners.

Anyways another day of enlightenment

Posted 4 days ago:

"Official figures show the Sweden's economy shrank by just 0.3pc in the first three months of 2020, a far smaller decline than most forecasters and its central bank expected. The Riksbank had pencilled in a drop of between 0.8pc and 1.8pc.

The smaller scale of the fall contrasts with record slumps seen elsewhere across the Eurozone over the quarter as governments imposed much more stringent measures. France's economy tumbled 5.8pc, Italy's 4.7pc and Spain's by 5.2pc,
"

Their pandemic unemployment? not even 10%. Could be 10% in the summer. 18% less than Ireland.

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSL5N2C2300

From economic perspective they are doing 2.5 times better in terms of unemployment and 5 times better in terms of GDP, from deaths perspective they have 20 deaths more per million than Ireland. 0.002% more deaths per million than Ireland.

Seems like Sweden's approach is by far more superior. And Ireland better follow it sooner rather than later by lifting them restrictions.

PS better economy = longer life expectancy = fewer deaths. This is fact also.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And you think in 6 months times for example people will still be practising social distancing. I've posted this before, Denmark for example it's still to be practised, its widely not being adhered to. This is human nature.

It wont be lifted but we'll see if its still being adhered to given a vaccine could be a long time away or not at all. If not at all then what is the social ? Young people for example are they to remain socially distant for years to come and not potentially meet future partners which under social distancing would be difficult. I think not.

Poster stated it will cause other issues, I've pointed out one that it will cause. No need to be aggressive in your deal with it tone

I really think social distancing will fall by the wayside regarding family etc. over time. It's just not realistic or sustainable in the long term.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

We dont have "machines" to predict when a granny is going to die.We have a thing called LIFE EXPECTANCY. Our life expectancy is 82 years. This is our life expectancy over the last number of years.You can not keep this lockdown going WHEN MAJORITY of deaths are OVER 82 years of age. Leo & Co should get a grip and should start making decisions and end this farce of a lockdown. Instead of shifting it all on Tony H.

Ah I get it. We just shoot everyone who gets to 82. A bit like Logans Run. Grand so. Sounds legit.

And no it's not your favourite bugbear 'Tony". Go take a look at other countries if you are in doubt

It's not a lockdown btw - they are restictions which are inline to be rolled back

If you are bored perhaps go play with some lego or whatever.

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

People also have the right to be concerned about their own and others health by not being infected with the virus if at all possible. These other social problems of one sort or another have been present long before this virus ever appeared and will be after the virus is brought under some degree of control.

Nobody is going to force you to go near anyone. You can social distance until 2050 if you like.

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

People also have the right to be concerned about their own and others health by not being infected with the virus if at all possible These other social problems of one sort or another have been present long before this virus ever appeared and will be after the virus is brought under some degree of control.

It's possible to be concerned about more than one thing you know. I believe if you're still social distancing from all your family and friends in 6 months time you'll be in the minority.

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

The is no plan to lift social distancing because unless a effective vaccine is developed distancing will remain in place for a long time to come. Deal with it.

Nah it won’t, people in ever increasing numbers are very obviously not bothering with it anymore.