Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Strumms · 08-05-2020 10:28PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Care to share?

Always, but the pot of money isn’t infinite. It’s been well documented how much of an absolute kicking the state and the economy are going to have to endure to help the Irish people living and working IN the country...

If Billy and Mary Doyle who relocated to Torremolinos or Paddy and Ann Jackson over in New York and the other 300,000 Irish passport holders living outside of the state and who in the main make zero contributions here are to be given a dig out then we will really be up shît creek. They will be too now but you have to live by your choices, cake and eat it situation here.

owlbethere · 08-05-2020 10:28PM

I didn't have much time for this thread today. I dipped in and out but that was it.

What is the situation like now in mainland Europe? Italy, Germany, Spain, - basically places where they are beginning to lift the restrictions? Are they seeing a drop in cases, deaths, hospital admissions? Or is it the opposite, are they seeing a rise in cases given the easing of restrictions.

Miike · 08-05-2020 10:31PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Cepheid GeneXpert and Abbott Alere are both trusted POC cartridge based trusted molecular platforms. Both have EUAs.

These are in use in Ireland

It will be one of these then. Are you familiar with the platforms?

Jim_Hodge · 08-05-2020 10:34PM

juno10353 wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hundreds-of-forgotten-irish-on-breadline-in-lanzarote-amid-covid-19-lockdown-claims-army-veteran-998379.html#.XrVObr1Z2lh.facebook

You have to admire their hard necks.

Chancers.

boardise · 08-05-2020 10:34PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Asymptomatic cases seem high with this. So wise to get tested if you think you may have been exposed

Heard the (UK) Labour shadow health chap on Sky News recently.
He mentioned how in a care home in his constituency -the manager was found to be asymptomatic positive when they got around to testing her after she'd been weeks campaigning for the staff to be tested !!
Just goes to show ....

Jim_Hodge · 08-05-2020 10:35PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I didn't have much time for this thread today. I dipped in and out but that was it.

What is the situation like now in mainland Europe? Italy, Germany, Spain, - basically places where they are beginning to lift the restrictions? Are they seeing a drop in cases, deaths, hospital admissions? Or is it the opposite, are they seeing a rise in cases given the easing of restrictions.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

WoollyRedHat · 08-05-2020 10:38PM

Quick question, are sweat particles a health ; transmission risk?

Mike3287 · 08-05-2020 10:40PM

Stheno wrote: »

That's not good news

They have only 250 deaths it cant be widespread there

Its actually great news

With 2.3% of its 5 million population infected that put its death rate at 0.2-0.3%

With nearly 1500 deaths we might have up to 10% infected

GM228 · 08-05-2020 10:46PM

Not sure if previously mentioned, but an interesting study where SARS-CoV-2 has been detected in semen (6 out of 38 tested), no indication of sexual transmission yet.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2765654?resultClick=1

So will there or won't there be a baby boom? :eek:

Martina1991 · 08-05-2020 10:48PM

Hmmzis wrote:

Specificity 100%, sensitivity 95%.

iIf this shows positive, it's positive. If negative, then a PCR test might be needed to exclude a false negative.

Another EAU platform. Looks like less than 100 participants in that study.

Tests can perform well in studies but few are suitable for large scale testing.

Stheno wrote:

I think it's hilarious that it's the test they are using on Trump with that false negative rate cos he doesn't like the swab test

If you sont mind me asking how many of the swabs can be processed at a time? Does it depend on the size of the machine that hold/process the samples?

I saw a video of Trump showing the process of using the little Abbott analyser. He was doing it outside. He took it out of the box upside down and stood around for the 15 mins waiting for the result. It reminded me of the Teamaster from Fr. Ted.

It depends on the platform used.
There are many steps in the process.
Tests are performed in batches.
The final PCR stage is usually 96 samples in a run. The NVRL might have an analyser with bigger capacity or equipment to run more than one batch at a time.

I know our hospital can do 40 in a batch. Around 6 to 8 hours from sample prep to results, so usually 4 batches run a day.

Even though these "rapid tests" promote a quick turnaround, laboratory methods are the most suitable for large scale testing.

dublinman1990 · 08-05-2020 10:53PM

A close neighbour of mine has had Covid-19 for a while. She is an elderly woman & lives 5 houses down from me in Blackrock. She came home by ambulance last Sunday afternoon. Some other neighbours & paramedics were wearing masks & gloves whilst she came home. 3 days later on the following Wednesday; my mam had told me that she went back into hospital again, by ambulance, with worsening symptoms of Covid-19.

Do I need to wear a face mask to reduce the risk of Covid-19 for me & my mother?

I live in a block of 4 houses that have 3 elderly ladies, along with one man, as my neighbours.

I am worried that I could eventually catch it soon & spread it to them. TIA.

joeysoap · 08-05-2020 10:54PM

Am I missing something. Sweden has gone for the herd immunity, yet they have ‘only’ 25,000 infections with a population of 9m.

We have 22,000 with a population of 5m.

If there’s a second wave , surely we will have more immunity?

padd b1975 · 08-05-2020 10:54PM

Eod100 wrote: »

What do you think that statistic reveals?

Travellers don't give a flying one about social distancing etc.

Christy42 · 08-05-2020 10:55PM

joeysoap wrote: »

Am I missing something. Sweden has gone for the herd immunity, yet they have ‘only’ 25,000 infections with a population of 9m.

We have 22,000 with a population of 5m.

If there’s a second wave , surely we will have more immunity?

Less testing than us so they simply haven't checked enough. Plus their lack of a lock is overstated. Plenty of places have restrictions

joeysoap · 08-05-2020 10:57PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Travellers don't give a flying one about social distancing etc.

Or Roma.

embraer170 · 08-05-2020 10:59PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The reproduction rate of coronavirus in Germany is currently estimated at 0.65 according to the Robert Koch Institute.

And now up to 0.81 in today's report.

Arghus · 08-05-2020 11:00PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Travellers don't give a flying one about social distancing etc.

Man, from what I see almost nobody does.

fr336 · 08-05-2020 11:02PM

Did anyone see / post the Telegraph article which says that children are far less likely to get the virus or transmit it if they do have it, that close and prolonged contact is required for transmission of the virus, risk is highest in enclosed environments such as public transport, houses, care facilities, bars etc,and that chance of catching it at all increases with age.

And the biggie - in their study at least, 80% of those living in the same household as a Coronavirus carrier didn't get it. It also says that the weather at the moment is better at keeping household transmission down as there is good room ventilation with windows open...the issue will be the winter time.

igCorcaigh · 08-05-2020 11:02PM

I thought that this was a fascinating interview from the ICU front line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW-nmhWKd1M

MipMap · 08-05-2020 11:05PM

embraer170 wrote: »

And now up to 0.81 in today's report.

Any measures of the Ro have to be taken with a large grain of salt. The Ro for Kerry is different than that for Dublin. Although they might quote it to 2 decimal places that's just because a precise number might derive from the really approximate numbers they use to calculate it.
They know it is less than 1 when they see that less people are coming into hospital than are leaving it.
Or less people are getting infected than are recovering.
Or less going into ICU than are coming out of ICU.

MD1990 · 08-05-2020 11:07PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I thought that this was a fascinating interview from the ICU front line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW-nmhWKd1M

saw an interview with him back in March.

Very impressive man. Someone you would want in a crisis,

igCorcaigh · 08-05-2020 11:07PM

joeysoap wrote: »

Am I missing something. Sweden has gone for the herd immunity, yet they have ‘only’ 25,000 infections with a population of 9m.

We have 22,000 with a population of 5m.

If there’s a second wave , surely we will have more immunity?

From what I have read, the infection rate needs to be at around 50 to 70% for herd immunity. So, no. All countries are still at risk of a second wave.

igCorcaigh · 08-05-2020 11:10PM

MD1990 wrote: »

saw an interview with him back in March.

Very impressive man. Someone you would want in a crisis,

Yes, that first interview was very good too.

I had never heard of some of the things he described (delusions and such related to ICU).

Frightening what can be hidden by statistics. And that's for the survivors.

Stheno · 08-05-2020 11:12PM

Two cases in the White House in the past two days one of Trumps valleys, and now Mike Pences assistant press secretary

Iamabeliever · 08-05-2020 11:14PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Quick question, are sweat particles a health ; transmission risk?

No

mandrake04 · 08-05-2020 11:16PM

Miike wrote: »

It will be one of these then. Are you familiar with the platforms?

Yes I’m familiar as I used to be an instrumentation specialist in clinical and molecular pathology before moving to Nuclear medicine and then CT diagnostics.

These are point of care so Abbott only does 1 test in about 15mins, GeneXpert comes in 1, 2, 4, 16 module platforms takes about 45mins to do 1, 2, 4 or 16 tests.

bekker · 08-05-2020 11:16PM

Good nicely illustrated article in NYT on how COVID-19 affects the lungs, also some interesting info in comments.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/08/health/coronavirus-covid-lungs-ventilators.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Iamabeliever · 08-05-2020 11:17PM

joeysoap wrote: »

Am I missing something. Sweden has gone for the herd immunity, yet they have ‘only’ 25,000 infections with a population of 9m.

We have 22,000 with a population of 5m.

If there’s a second wave , surely we will have more immunity?

Yes. Infection cases is unknown as they do little testing

Plumbthedepths · 08-05-2020 11:19PM

Strumms wrote: »

Always, but the pot of money isn’t infinite. It’s been well documented how much of an absolute kicking the state and the economy are going to have to endure to help the Irish people living and working IN the country...

If Billy and Mary Doyle who relocated to Torremolinos or Paddy and Ann Jackson over in New York and the other 300,000 Irish passport holders living outside of the state and who in the main make zero contributions here are to be given a dig out then we will really be up shît creek. They will be too now but you have to live by your choices, cake and eat it situation here.

I assumed you were referring to an article. When I said care to share I was referring to the article if it exists.

Stheno · 08-05-2020 11:22PM

Mike3287 wrote: »

They have only 250 deaths it cant be widespread there

Its actually great news

With 2.3% of its 5 million population infected that put its death rate at 0.2-0.3%

With nearly 1500 deaths we might have up to 10% infected

Ah I just worked this out

So based on the Finnish death rate being .2 to .3% and applying that to our number of 1500 deaths there could be up to 600000 people infected here? Rather 600000 people who are or have been infected?

That's some amount of people infected if correct - does it not imply that for 99% of the population who've gotten it in this scenario, that it's pretty mild? Not that I'm trying to downplay the impact on those severely affected, mind

I really hope that when they roll out antibody testing here they can test maybe 10% of the population

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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