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Clerical Officer 2020

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  • #662
    mayo londoner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭mayo londoner


    But can your OOM go down? So say I'm 50th at the moment, could I go down to 100th after interview?


  • #663
    beppygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 ✭beppygal


    beppygal wrote: »
    I applied for the 2018 permanent CO competition. My OOM was 147 for Co. Roscommon, then after the interview (which I didn't get until December 2019) I was number 4. Now bear in mind we also had the in house aptitude tests (November 2019) which probably eliminated a lot. I started my permanent contract on the 24th of February this year. Just to give some sort of a timeframe.

    Will be interesting to see if the lack of in house aptitude tests will speed up or slow down the progression on OOM.
    Good luck everyone!

    Just looked back on my Publicjobs messages and my OOM after stage 1 (online tests) was 147 and after the in house aptitude tests went down to 4. So it'll be interesting to see if no in house aptitude tests if the OOM will go down after interview instead, I'd say so.


  • #664
    murphy15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 ✭murphy15


    Rubenski wrote: »
    Hi guys. I got early 60s for Kerry. First time doing this so am not too sure if I should be optimistic or not, especially since the panel is only until May 2021 this time.

    Can I ask if my chances look good (somewhat!!)?? Pretty nervous about this whole thing.

    Thanks.

    Yes that's a great score well done to you ! lots of county town like Portlaoise Castlebar Killarney have big government departments.. so there should be a lot of jobs coming up


  • #665
    Guffy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,375 ✭✭✭Guffy


    The Wandering Man wrote: »


    Both. You have to achieve pass standard in all four competencies and those who pass are then placed on an OOM for placement.

    And is that new oom placement restricted within the batch in which your interviewed. Eg, if the initially interview a 100 in galway and you start at 1, pass the interview and 30 fail. Is the lowest number you can then be 70 or can you drop further when the second batch are interviewed further down the line?


  • #666
    aoifedu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 ✭aoifedu


    Is anyone here from any Laois departments that could have an insight into whether TCO’s are likely to be taken on this summer or not?


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  • #667
    ge_ch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭ge_ch


    How many is in a batch?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • #668
    Conall Cernach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    Linking123! wrote: »
    Well I hope you get something on co 2018 what counties do you have? I was 300+ in co 2018 Louth/ Meath and waiting 2 years and a very slim chance getting it lol. Meath panel haven't moved for at least 2 months. So placed 120+ this time could potentially be placed in 1 year based on panel 2018?!
    I got this message this morning:
    "Please be advised that the Clerical Officer in the Civil Service 2018 (Competition ID: 18119606) has now closed.


    No further appointments will be made from this panel from 31st May 2020, therefore, no further Stage 2 - Supervised Tests or Stage 3 - Interviews will be taking place."


    It's very disheartening. I only did the test in Chapter House in November and was ranked 1 in OOM for batch 2. What was the point?


  • #669
    Green farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,004 ✭✭✭Green farmer


    CivilCybil wrote: »
    No idea sorry
    I'd imagine it depends on the number of vacancies they expect/that arise

    Wonder would they do it in thirds ?or are the numbers too big


  • #670
    Sandoe1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 ✭Sandoe1989


    Hi everyone
    first time applying I finished with a pretty good score in top category for Dublin but my order of merit is still around 1100 , could someone explain if this is good or bad for Dublin ? I’ve heard some depts here like revenue alone hire hundreds each year but not so sure on how true that is ! Sorry if this has been asked previously just looking for info as I’ve never applied for anything like this before.


  • #671
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Sandoe1989 wrote: »
    Hi everyone
    first time applying I finished with a pretty good score in top category for Dublin but my order of merit is still around 1100 , could someone explain if this is good or bad for Dublin ? I’ve heard some depts here like revenue alone hire hundreds each year but not so sure on how true that is ! Sorry if this has been asked previously just looking for info as I’ve never applied for anything like this before.


    Discussed above. Last few competitions got beyond 1100 easily. This competition is a complete unknown with the current economic uncertainty. It's also only a year long for reasons best known to PAS.


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  • #672
    Sandoe1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 ✭Sandoe1989


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Discussed above. Last few competitions got beyond 1100 easily. This competition is a complete unknown with the current economic uncertainty. It's also only a year long for reasons best known to PAS.

    Thanks a million , suppose it’s just a waiting game now but hopefully with it only being a year they speed up the process but again that’s gonna be difficult with everything going on at the moment !


  • #673
    Dublintigger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Dublintigger


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Discussed above. Last few competitions got beyond 1100 easily. This competition is a complete unknown with the current economic uncertainty. It's also only a year long for reasons best known to PAS.


    I wonder why only a year?


  • #674
    DarkJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭DarkJ


    Does anyone have any idea how the competencies are graded? As in, how can you fail one if everybody's answer/experience is different? I've mostly been self employed and worked abroad for a number of years (interviews were not competency based) and I'm not sure how to even come up with answers regarding the competencies. Thanks for any guidance. Good luck to everyone.


  • #675
    xxsammyxx085
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭xxsammyxx085


    OOM 35 for my chosen County and even I'm nervous of not being called within the year for interview


  • #676
    tinofapples
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,981 ✭✭✭tinofapples


    beppygal wrote: »
    I applied for the 2018 permanent CO competition. My OOM was 147 for Co. Roscommon, then after the interview (which I didn't get until December 2019) I was number 4. Now bear in mind we also had the in house aptitude tests (November 2019) which probably eliminated a lot. I started my permanent contract on the 24th of February this year. Just to give some sort of a timeframe.

    Will be interesting to see if the lack of in house aptitude tests will speed up or slow down the progression on OOM.
    Good luck everyone!

    4th is pretty much all they placed of the Ros 18 panel ? Might as well forget about my 10th place so !! Especially given this panel seems to have a shorter lifespan.


  • #677
    claregal1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭claregal1


    DarkJ wrote: »
    Does anyone have any idea how the competencies are graded? As in, how can you fail one if everybody's answer/experience is different? I've mostly been self employed and worked abroad for a number of years (interviews were not competency based) and I'm not sure how to even come up with answers regarding the competencies. Thanks for any guidance. Good luck to everyone.
    Hi- in the info booklet in the email with your results three is a list of competencies they will ask on during the interview . Think its 4 or 5 . Have an example or two for each of those . Answer using the Star technique. Situation , task , Action, and result.
    Not sure how these interviews will be graded , but the last one I did was each compencies was marked out of 100 with 40 needed in each one to pass. Hope this helps .


  • #678
    thenightman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    The fact that they are interviewing now based on the at home competency test alone, and you don't have to repeat it in person to prove it was you that actually did the test is a bit of a crock. The CO's we've been assigned since that change have been noticeably of a poorer standard. We got one person who could barely log on to their own computer for example, no way in hell they did their own competency exam.

    Takes far longer for other staff to train staff like these, which has a knock on effect for busy offices as you end up spending more time explaining a simple concept to them repeatedly, and then eventually just fixing their mistakes altogether when it's clear they don't want to or won't be able to work autonomously. Typical civil service though, ends up costing more time in the long run than it would to run in person competencies at the start.


  • #679
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,704 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    thenightman wrote: »
    The fact that they are interviewing now based on the at home competency test alone, and you don't have to repeat it in person to prove it was you that actually did the test is a bit of a crock. The CO's we've been assigned since that change have been noticeably of a poorer standard. We got one person who could barely log on to their own computer for example, no way in hell they did their own competency exam.

    The COs you've been getting up till now have all been interviewed in person, and sat tests in Chapter House. The panel like that closed today. But it was two years old, so they've been the worst of the good-enough from the last campaign.

    Testing and interviews have only changed from this campaign onwards. No one has been appointed from it yet.


  • #680
    furrybones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 989 ✭✭✭furrybones


    thenightman wrote: »
    The fact that they are interviewing now based on the at home competency test alone, and you don't have to repeat it in person to prove it was you that actually did the test is a bit of a crock. The CO's we've been assigned since that change have been noticeably of a poorer standard. We got one person who could barely log on to their own computer for example, no way in hell they did their own competency exam.

    Takes far longer for other staff to train staff like these, which has a knock on effect for busy offices as you end up spending more time explaining a simple concept to them repeatedly, and then eventually just fixing their mistakes altogether when it's clear they don't want to or won't be able to work autonomously. Typical civil service though, ends up costing more time in the long run than it would to run in person competencies at the start.

    From experience, a low standard of competency is expected from permanent staff. In my first TCO position I was constantly asked questions such as "Can you type?", "Do you know how to send an email?", "Do you know how to save that to the drive?" Having previously worked (for almost 2 years) as admin assistant I found it very frustrating that I wasn't given more to do, due to the assumption was that i knew nothing.

    "Success is not final, failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts"



  • #681
    HungrySeagull
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭HungrySeagull


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    The COs you've been getting up till now have all been interviewed in person, and sat tests in Chapter House. The panel like that closed today. But it was two years old, so they've been the worst of the good-enough from the last campaign.

    Testing and interviews have only changed from this campaign onwards. No one has been appointed from it yet.

    'Worst of the good enough'?

    I have just missed out on the 2018 campaign by about 10 people. This time around I ranked top 100 for Dublin and top 30 for Kildare. So I guess I was only 'good enough' for the last campaign but am top tier for this campaign.


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  • #682
    Linking123!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭Linking123!


    HungrySeagull wrote: »
    'Worst of the good enough'?

    I have just missed out on the 2018 campaign by about 10 people. This time around I ranked top 100 for Dublin and top 30 for Kildare. So I guess I was only 'good enough' for the last campaign but am top tier for this campaign.

    Did you do the interview?


  • #683
    jaffa20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    HungrySeagull wrote: »
    'Worst of the good enough'?

    I have just missed out on the 2018 campaign by about 10 people. This time around I ranked top 100 for Dublin and top 30 for Kildare. So I guess I was only 'good enough' for the last campaign but am top tier for this campaign.

    That was unlucky but it's looking good for 2020 campaign for you. Do you know how many they took on in Kildare for 2018? I guess could be less this time. My OOM is not as good as yours but i am in the top 200 so hoping for interview at least.


  • #684
    HungrySeagull
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭HungrySeagull


    Linking123! wrote: »
    Did you do the interview?

    For the 2018 campaign? Yes, last September.


  • #685
    HungrySeagull
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭HungrySeagull


    jaffa20 wrote: »
    That was unlucky but it's looking good for 2020 campaign for you. Do you know how many they took on in Kildare for 2018? I guess could be less this time. My OOM is not as good as yours but i am in the top 200 so hoping for interview at least.

    They only got about half way through batch 2.2. I know there was 8 people in batch 1.4 and then only 5 in 2.1. There was 21 in batch 2.2. To the best of my knowledge 50-60?

    I was just outside the top 200 last time but it took a year for me to be called for stage 2.


  • #686
    Linking123!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭Linking123!


    HungrySeagull wrote: »
    For the 2018 campaign? Yes, last September.
    I never got an email to say panel has expired, really sucks.


  • #687
    DarkJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭DarkJ


    claregal1 wrote: »
    Hi- in the info booklet in the email with your results three is a list of competencies they will ask on during the interview . Think its 4 or 5 . Have an example or two for each of those . Answer using the Star technique. Situation , task , Action, and result.
    Not sure how these interviews will be graded , but the last one I did was each compencies was marked out of 100 with 40 needed in each one to pass. Hope this helps .

    Thanks for your help. Best of luck to ya.


  • #688
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,704 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    HungrySeagull wrote: »
    'Worst of the good enough'?

    I have just missed out on the 2018 campaign by about 10 people. This time around I ranked top 100 for Dublin and top 30 for Kildare. So I guess I was only 'good enough' for the last campaign but am top tier for this campaign.

    Congratulations on your improvement!

    Seriously ... see the earlier post about the people they've been appointed lately.

    Obviously (since you're here and posting in coherent sentences!) you're not like that. But after a panel has been active for two years, some of the people on it are.


  • #689
    job seeker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭job seeker


    HungrySeagull wrote: »
    'Worst of the good enough'?

    I have just missed out on the 2018 campaign by about 10 people. This time around I ranked top 100 for Dublin and top 30 for Kildare. So I guess I was only 'good enough' for the last campaign but am top tier for this campaign.

    Congratulations on your oom this time round! I have gotten the same results the last 3 campaigns. I don’t even know what they want anymore. I give up! :pac:


  • #690
    furrybones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 989 ✭✭✭furrybones


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Congratulations on your improvement!

    Seriously ... see the earlier post about the people they've been appointed lately.

    Obviously (since you're here and posting in coherent sentences!) you're not like that. But after a panel has been active for two years, some of the people on it are.

    Maybe that is why this panel will only be live for one year.

    "Success is not final, failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts"



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  • #691
    Nekarsulm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    furrybones wrote: »
    Maybe that is why this panel will only be live for one year.

    But you would still need a panel to pull from, especially as all the useless CO's are culled at the 9 month point of their 1 year probation!

    Anyone have a figure of how many actually are let go and don't get Permanent?


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