Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

New Home · 08-05-2020 01:31PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Tbh N, I thing the mask thing is largely done and dusted in Ireland. There's a massive cultural resistance to them above and beyond any science involved. I actually notice more people wearing gloves(which are well dodgy and do eff all over hand washing and can make things worse) than wearing masks. If the science was hardcore clear tomorrow there would still be resistance and would need a government mandate that will likely never come.

But that's the thing, nothing is hardcore clear about this virus, every time we seem to get a grasp of it, albeit small, it throws us a curved ball. Culture and cultural resistance can be changed. Bombard people with ads and everyone will soon get the message, it's like earworms, they get into your head whether you like it or not. For instance, how many times have you been told to "stay safe" at the end of a call since this started?

Wibbs wrote: »

If we had a better idea and clear numbers of how many 40-65 died and what underlying conditions they had, including things like obesity, asthma etc, then we might have a better map ahead. EG if nobody under say 60 died who was otherwise fit and healthy and thin, then off you go and get back to living.

..but steer clear of anyone else who might be >60 or with an underlying condition while hoping you don't cross paths with someone who has an unknown underlying condition.

Wibbs · 08-05-2020 01:32PM

New Home wrote: »

But that's the thing, nothing is hardcore clear about this virus, every time we seem to get a grasp of it, albeit small, it throws us a curved ball. Culture and cultural resistance can be changed. Bombard people with ads and everyone will soon get the message, it's like earworms, they get into your head whether you like it or not. For instance, how many times have you been told to "stay safe" at the end of a call since this started?

Never N, my mates are cunts.

New Home · 08-05-2020 01:34PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Never N, my mates are cunts.

:D:D

Stay safe, Wibbs.

(Wait, does that mean I'm not a mate of yours or that I'm not a bitch?)

Stheno · 08-05-2020 01:43PM

New Home wrote: »

:D:D

Stay safe, Wibbs.

(Wait, does that mean I'm not a mate of yours or that I'm not a bitch?)

Which would you prefer?

MOR316 · 08-05-2020 01:47PM

HA!

New Home, such a little bitch

tobefrank321 · 08-05-2020 01:50PM

So travel restrictions don't stop a pandemic?

Try telling that to NZ (21 deaths), Taiwan (6 deaths) or a whole host of other countries with minimal deaths because of early travel restrictions.

And compare them to countries like Ireland (1400 deaths) or the UK (30,000+ deaths) who have next to no travel restrictions.

Boy did the "experts" get that one wrong.

New Home · 08-05-2020 01:57PM

Stheno wrote: »

Which would you prefer?

That would be an ecumenical matter.

Stay safe, Stheno. :pac:

US2 · 08-05-2020 01:57PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Where the fcuk are you getting that information from? Same place David Drumm got his figures from..........plucked it from his ar5e".

Supposing your Mother (making this up), a vulnerable person, lives with you and your kids. What do you do there?

It should be up to the individual people and families if they want to hide away. Those who are fit and not scared should be left get on with life

New Home · 08-05-2020 01:59PM

US2 wrote: »

It should be up to the individual people and families if they want to hide away. Those who are fit and not scared should be left get on with life

You don't seem to grasp that this doesn't only affect the individuals who "are fit and not scared", but that their behaviour would have an effect on others.

polesheep · 08-05-2020 02:01PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup I agree with you there, absolutely no idea how you would manage or even enforce it. I wouldn't like the thoughts of an elderly family member basically being told to stay inside for the rest of their days. And like you say what defines a vulnerable person in terms of age, where is the cut off point. Its extremely difficult to see how any country could or would implement it but a point comes whereby those of a certain age who are otherwise fit and healthy will look to get back to a normal life and most importantly back to work too, nobody who can work wants to be reliant on the state.

Why would they have to? They only have to stay away from hotspots, such as concerts, cinemas, etc. and wear a mask when they go out.

US2 · 08-05-2020 02:04PM

New Home wrote: »

You don't seem to grasp that this doesn't only affect the individuals who "are fit and not scared", but that their behaviour would have an effect on others.

The people who it will affect should hide away is what I'm saying. We gave the government 8 weeks to prepare. You cant lock young fit people up much longer to save a few who are already passed there sell by date.

New Home · 08-05-2020 02:04PM

polesheep wrote: »

Why would they have to? They only have to stay away from hotspots, such as concerts, cinemas, etc. and wear a mask when they go out.

Because people only exist around hotspots, do they? And a mask isn't just an additional aid, it's a force field screen against this. Right, my mistake, I forgot.

tobefrank321 · 08-05-2020 02:06PM

New Home wrote: »

You don't seem to grasp that this doesn't only affect the individuals who "are fit and not scared", but that their behaviour would have an effect on others.

There is no scenario where those who believe they are in the vulnerable category cannot take precautions, cocoon or social distance, particularly as our new cases will always be topped up by new arrivals from abroad.

We could get community cases to zero but as soon as restrictions are lifted, its starts all over again. Because we are not a closed economy.

polesheep · 08-05-2020 02:06PM

New Home wrote: »

You don't seem to grasp that this doesn't only affect the individuals who "are fit and not scared", but that their behaviour would have an effect on others.

Yes, but this is nothing new. Immunocompromised people have been living with these challenges for years. There are far too many people saying that something can't be done instead of suggesting how it could be done.

New Home · 08-05-2020 02:08PM

polesheep wrote: »

Yes, but this is nothing new. Immunocompromised people have been living with these challenges for years. There are far too many people saying that something can't be done instead of suggesting how it could be done.

As long as that isn't applied to young healthy people, right? :rolleyes:

owlbethere · 08-05-2020 02:08PM

US2 wrote: »

The people who it will affect should hide away is what I'm saying. We gave the government 8 weeks to prepare. You cant lock young fit people up much longer to save a few who are already passed there sell by date.

'Passed their sell by date'

Can you please explain what you mean by 'passed their sell by date'

There were reports from doctors in England about young, fit healthy people, dieing from this. How are people in theory 40s and 50s passed their sell by date?

Cop on to yourself

ShineOn7 · 08-05-2020 02:09PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

:pac:

How am I only seeing this now?

ShineOn7 · 08-05-2020 02:09PM

Leo lost the plot in the Dáil yesterday in response to Mary Lou, think he is starting to lose it

Anyone have a video link?

Deeper Blue · 08-05-2020 02:10PM

Has any government official given a good reason as to why we can't enforce a mandatory quarantine upon entry to the country?

The way things are now in terms of community transmission it seems to me that we have a real chance of getting control of the virus. That chance diminishes every day that we have the borders open with no mandatory quarantine.

Also, I don't give a **** if it's all Irish citizens coming into the country, they need to be quarantined upon entry. Are we afraid we'll upset them or something? Time to get real

eagle eye · 08-05-2020 02:11PM

tobefrank321 wrote:

There is no scenario where those who believe they are in the vulnerable category cannot take precautions, cocoon or social distance, particularly as our new cases will always be top up by new arrivals from abroad.
We could get community cases to zero but as soon as restrictions are lifted, its starts all over again. Because we are not a closed economy.

Yes and as soon as our government cop on and realise that we need to state quarantine all new arrivals until they are tested and clear the sooner we will all be happy to curb the lockdown.

hmmm · 08-05-2020 02:12PM

US2 wrote: »

We gave the government 8 weeks to prepare.

This isn't about the government. The primary responsibility to stop the spread of this thing is ours, the government can only help. It's time to grow up and adult.

yourdeadwright · 08-05-2020 02:13PM

Seems number in the US can be taken with a pinch of salt,

Reports the hospitals have been fudging the number because they get about around 13 grand from the government per covid case and 35 grand per ventilated patient

Number's frequenting hospitals is down 50% in some area's as people stay away because of the virus and in some doctors have be furloughed due to hospitals not making the money they where pre covid,

So you can see the problem , You can let a doctors go or ticking the box for covid and stick someone on a ventilator for 10 minutes to get over 40 grand that helps pay there wages for the year ,

hmmm · 08-05-2020 02:14PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Again find a single example of a country that had tight borders and quarantine that did worse than those who didn't.

Ecuador. Closed borders on March 15. Complete disaster with bodies piling up on the streets. The virus was there before any travel bans, even though they were one of the earliest.

eagle eye · 08-05-2020 02:17PM

hmmm wrote:

This isn't about the government. The primary responsibility to stop the spread of this thing is ours, the government can only help. It's time to grow up and adult.

It's the government's job to ensure compliance.

polesheep · 08-05-2020 02:22PM

New Home wrote: »

As long as that isn't applied to young healthy people, right? :rolleyes:

I don't understand your reply. I'm suggesting that we need focus on finding solutions that allow people (all people) to get on with their lives in the best possible way. Are you suggesting that things cannot ease for anyone unless they ease for everyone?

tobefrank321 · 08-05-2020 02:24PM

New Home wrote: »

As long as that isn't applied to young healthy people, right? :rolleyes:

That's ridiculous. There are a number of illnesses that can kill a number of people every year, including the common flu virus, AIDS, etc.

Does it make sense to close down our economy permanently to prevent their spread? Of course not. No more than it makes sense to close down roads to stop road deaths.

You have to balance risks, target and isolate those at risk and then allow for a functioning economy.

Shutting down the country was a good idea in the short term. In the long term its a bad idea.

It would be great if we could eliminate covid 19 here. I'd take another 2 months of lockdown if we could be sure of reaching that goal, eliminating it until a vaccine came along.

But that is impossible while you have open borders. And a farcical optional only quarantine system for travellers here. No wonder we are a laughing stock.

Stheno · 08-05-2020 02:25PM

hmmm wrote: »

This isn't about the government. The primary responsibility to stop the spread of this thing is ours, the government can only help. It's time to grow up and adult.

Nope.

One of the key issues with easing restrictions is rapid testing and contract tracking

That's down to the HSE and government, not the general public

What Username Guidelines · 08-05-2020 02:25PM

NDWC wrote: »

Has any government official given a good reason as to why we can't enforce a mandatory quarantine upon entry to the country?

The way things are now in terms of community transmission it seems to me that we have a real chance of getting control of the virus. That chance diminishes every day that we have the borders open with no mandatory quarantine.

Also, I don't give a **** if it's all Irish citizens coming into the country, they need to be quarantined upon entry. Are we afraid we'll upset them or something? Time to get real

It sounds expensive, we dont have the money to just throw around at every problem. Also, even if we only allow irish, you still can't just lock people up.

Oh. Wait.

Stheno · 08-05-2020 02:26PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

It sounds expensive, we dont have the money to just throw around at every problem. Also, even if we only allow irish, you still can't just lock people up.

Oh. Wait.

Make pep ppl le returning pay for it? Other countries do

Kermit.de.frog · 08-05-2020 02:29PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Seems number in the US can be taken with a pinch of salt,

Reports the hospitals have been fudging the number because they get about around 13 grand from the government per covid case and 35 grand per ventilated patient

Number's frequenting hospitals is down 50% in some area's as people stay away because of the virus and in some doctors have be furloughed due to hospitals not making the money they where pre covid,

So you can see the problem , You can let a doctors go or ticking the box for covid and stick someone on a ventilator for 10 minutes to get over 40 grand that helps pay there wages for the year ,

Nobody has a problem, except Trump and his mindless supporters.

There are 77,000 confirmed deaths so far in the US.

The Trump administration will have to answer for the handling of the pandemic.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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