Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

fullstop · 07-05-2020 11:32PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Thanks

So they were 10 days ahead of meeting their Grandparents - one rule broken

And were meeting (and presumably kissing and more) each other - two rules broken

Are people starting to see these rules broken more and more with households mixing? Albeit outdoors?

It doesn't bode well for the coming weeks

I’ve seen 4 households opposite/beside me who have had friends round this week. None of them even being subtle about it. House opposite had a gardener and some sort of maintenance person in today, not the slightest bit of social distancing happening between the 3 of them (they were on the balcony opposite my kitchen window so I didn’t need to twitch any curtains

). Gardener then popped in to chat to 2 other houses on the row. Once the announcement was made last Friday, everyone took it as ‘grand, we’ve beaten it now, relax’. This is exactly why they were slow to make announcements.
I see someone asking what will change between now and June, as if it makes no difference when people are allowed visit. How far do you extend that logic?! Can I hop on a plane and head for a week in Spain so? Sure what will have changed by September?

martingriff · 07-05-2020 11:33PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It was mentioned on virgin media last night, predictive grades could cause huge issues and leave the state and the state examinations commission wide open to high court challenge if a student missed out on a college place due to a predictive grade.

Very much like the case in recent years where a student appealed results but wasn't being allowed into college in the current academic year

Thats another thing how can you appeal predictive results. Unless the college decide on some selection process but that could delay the start of the year

stephenjmcd · 07-05-2020 11:35PM

martingriff wrote: »

Thats another thing how can you appeal predictive results. Unless the college decide on some selection process but that could delay the start of the year

Apparently if your not happy with the predictive grades according to the irish times you'll be offered the chance to sit it later this year or next year. Essentially you get pushed back a year in starting college if you appeal.

martingriff · 07-05-2020 11:37PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Apparently if your not happy with the predictive grades according to the irish times you'll be offered the chance to sit it later this year or next year. Essentially you get pushed back a year in starting college if you appeal.

OH God Joe Duffy and Niall Boylan are going to have a busy August September

Snow Garden · 07-05-2020 11:39PM

martingriff wrote: »

OH God Joe Duffy and Niall Boylan are going to have a busy August September

Snow Garden · 07-05-2020 11:39PM

martingriff wrote: »

OH God Joe Duffy and Niall Boylan are going to have a busy August September

martingriff · 07-05-2020 11:47PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

a pox on ye:P:D just when I am going to bed

tobefrank321 · 07-05-2020 11:48PM

martingriff wrote: »

Why is it scaremongering if it is true. Who is to say when that person would have died. People in America not going to doctors and sick have more to do with costs also

Most people in nursing homes are on deaths door. Most outside are not.

The poster is scaremongering, trying to imply that a large random cross section of New Jerseys population died from this. When a quick google search will throw up the fact half the deaths are in nursing homes.

Most young people have nothing to fear from covid 19.

They have a lot more to fear from scaremongerers, cancer, etc

The fatality rate for young people from covid 19 is about 0.1%. The fatality rate from testicular cancer is about 1-2%. The latter will be far higher because of people avoiding hospitals due to scaremongers.

tobefrank321 · 07-05-2020 11:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The Department of Education haven't a f*cking clue what they're doing. What's happening right now is honestly disgraceful. I don't see any reason why the exams can't be held. There's plenty of empty classrooms and town halls where students could be spread out.

The result of hysteria and scaremongering.

Plumbthedepths · 07-05-2020 11:56PM

The sooner we have a government the better. The present situation of hiding behind Dr Holohan is reprehensible.

martingriff · 07-05-2020 11:57PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Most people in nursing homes are on deaths door. Most outside are not.

The poster is scaremongering, trying to imply that a large random cross section of New Jerseys population died from this. When a quick google search will throw up the fact half the deaths are in nursing homes.

Most young people have nothing to fear from covid 19.

They have a lot more to fear from scaremongerers, cancer, etc

The fatality rate for young people from covid 19 is about 0.1%. The fatality rate from testicular cancer is about 1-2%. The latter will be far higher because of people avoiding hospitals due to scaremongers.

So because there old people is it okay and do not mention it because hey they were going to die again who is to say when that person was going to die.

I agree with you about getting people to see there doctors but that its scaremongering and we should not talk about it because there elderly is wrong. I bet if it was only .1% and it was the young you would not be saying that

martingriff · 07-05-2020 11:59PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The sooner we have a government the better. The present situation of hiding behind Dr Holohan is reprehensible.

They are taking the advice of the health people the ones who know about these things and I bet any government would have done the same

ACitizenErased · 07-05-2020 11:59PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The sooner we have a government the better. The present situation of hiding behind Dr Holohan is reprehensible.

Simon Harris should be at every briefing every day. The UK does it, yet we hide behind the CMO.

Plumbthedepths · 07-05-2020 11:59PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Most people in nursing homes are on deaths door. Most outside are not.

The poster is scaremongering, trying to imply that a large random cross section of New Jerseys population died from this. When a quick google search will throw up the fact half the deaths are in nursing homes.

Most young people have nothing to fear from covid 19.

They have a lot more to fear from scaremongerers, cancer, etc

The fatality rate for young people from covid 19 is about 0.1%. The fatality rate from testicular cancer is about 1-2%. The latter will be far higher because of people avoiding hospitals due to scaremongers.

Lockdown till August.

https://www.idaireland.com/invest-in-ireland/ireland-demographics

Plumbthedepths · 08-05-2020 12:01AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Simon Harris should be at every briefing every day. The UK does it, yet we hide behind the CMO.

Behind a CMO that was twice asked to resign over the Cervical smear scandal.

tobefrank321 · 08-05-2020 12:05AM

martingriff wrote: »

So because there old people is it okay and do not mention it because hey they were going to die again who is to say when that person was going to die.

I agree with you about getting people to see there doctors but that its scaremongering and we should not talk about it because there elderly is wrong. I bet if it was only .1% and it was the young you would not be saying that

Not ok no. We need to do better at protecting nursing homes in a targetted way.

However most of these people have had long lives.

Once you hit 80 you are on borrowed time generally.

However if a single young woman or man dies because of not being diagnosed in time with a cancer due to hype and hysteria around covid 19 this is about the worst tragedy there could be.

The hype around covid 19 has gone far beyond what is needed. The media and government are massively complicit in this. These clowns will cost young peoples lives, lives with decades to live.

hotmail.com · 08-05-2020 12:06AM

martingriff wrote: »

So because there old people is it okay and do not mention it because hey they were going to die again who is to say when that person was going to die.

I agree with you about getting people to see there doctors but that its scaremongering and we should not talk about it because there elderly is wrong. I bet if it was only .1% and it was the young you would not be saying that

The effects of the restrictions have to be taken into account.

Arghus · 08-05-2020 12:13AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Not ok no. We need to do better at protecting nursing homes in a targetted way.

Frank cares about nursing homes.

However most of these people have had long lives.

Once you hit 80 you are on borrowed time generally.

But, if they die, they die.

UrbanFret · 08-05-2020 12:14AM

Just on the mask issue and I'm a big fan of everyone wearing them in shops,public transport and other confined spaces. Facial hair longer than 3mm can make it difficult to get a clean seal.

owlbethere · 08-05-2020 12:14AM

It's said that 80% of people will get a mild dose and when they say mild, it means not needing hospitalisation. 20% will need the hospital.

Even a mild dose reads dreadful. Have a read of this:

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/05/05/paul-garner-people-who-have-a-more-protracted-illness-need-help-to-understand-and-cope-with-the-constantly-shifting-bizarre-symptoms/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

Its from a doctor whos seven weeks suffering at home. He said it doesn't feel like a post viral fatigue and it is the disease.

Its read to be so scary. It's so important to stay on board with these restrictions and to stay on course form the road map laid out by the government.

Plumbthedepths · 08-05-2020 12:22AM

owlbethere wrote: »

It's said that 80% of people will get a mild dose and when they say mild, it means not needing hospitalisation. 20% will need the hospital.

Even a mild dose reads dreadful. Have a read of this:

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/05/05/paul-garner-people-who-have-a-more-protracted-illness-need-help-to-understand-and-cope-with-the-constantly-shifting-bizarre-symptoms/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

Its from a doctor whos seven weeks suffering at home. He said it doesn't feel like a post viral fatigue and it is the disease.

Its read to be so scary. It's so important to stay on board with these restrictions and to stay on course form the road map laid out by the government.

17110: people here are confirmed as recovered. I'm amazed there has been no piece in the media here to mirror the piece you have linked.
So you believe 80% of the population will suffer in the same manner?
Impressive scaremongering. The road map will be thrown out. Our numbers now are similar to most European countries that have already eased restrictions. We have the youngest population in Europe keeping us locked down till August is beyond stupid.

Polar101 · 08-05-2020 12:25AM

Stheno wrote: »

I've stopped going to Lidl, they don't seem to bother to enforce it

Dunnes/Supervalu and Aldi in my area are much better, but that said I tend to go after 8:30 pm if I can

Yeah, my local Lidl is pretty bad - they have a security guard "controlling" the entry, but he's usually just chatting with people and not paying attention. I get it must be boring to tell people when they can go in, but he's not being very useful now. They only have hand sanitizer at the entry point too, but not at the exit.. and the baskets look filthy enough to give you Covids 1-25 and the plague.

My local Dunnes is better, and most people seem to be careful too.

owlbethere · 08-05-2020 12:29AM

Heres another piece on a long illness/recovery:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-52548843

cnocbui · 08-05-2020 12:31AM

The restrictions may not be necessary: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.20088260v1

Stay-home policies were not associated with a decline in incidence, and actually showed a positive association with cases. As the number of lock-down days increased, so did the number of cases.

Dr. Brainard said: "This result really surprised us and shows that stay at home orders may not be required to control the outbreak, provided that this does not lead to more mass gatherings.

"However there have been considerable differences in how countries have carried out stay-home policies.

"Acceptable reasons for being outdoors has varied between countries, and stay-home orders in some countries have been advisory rather than enforced by police with penalties.

"Because of this, the results for the potential of stay-home advisories may be under-estimated."

The measures the study did find to be effective were closing schools and banning large gatherings.

The Chinese found that most infections were occurring between family members, so lockdown does nothing but reinforce this mechanism.

Maestro85 · 08-05-2020 12:32AM

Well I am off to bed for another day of Benny Hill music at work... Whatever happens I have come to the conclusion that I am going to be prepared for a second wave. I'd rather be prepared and not need to be than unprepared and needing to be. My money is on a second wave over the winter months which will make this harder as there will be the winter flus to deal with as well.

Goodnight folks, Mind yerselves.

tobefrank321 · 08-05-2020 12:32AM

Arghus wrote: »

Frank cares about nursing homes.

But, if they die, they die.

Impressive twisting of words.

Do you think the life of a young woman who cannot get a cervical smear test or a young man who cannot get diagnosed for testicular cancer should be sacrificed to save the life of an elderly person in a nursing home who may have had only months to live without covid 19?

Serious question.

Stheno · 08-05-2020 12:32AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

17110: people here are confirmed as recovered. I'm amazed there has been no piece in the media here to mirror the piece you have linked.
So you believe 80% of the population will suffer in the same manner?
Impressive scaremongering. The road map will be thrown out. Our numbers now are similar to most European countries that have already eased restrictions. We have the youngest population in Europe keeping us locked down till August is beyond stupid.

There is at least one poster on here who has described a similar experience, think they are I'll seven weeks now

Recovered here for those at home appears to be an assumption made that they are recovered after 14 days I dont believe there is any formal follow up unlike in Poland where a friend of mine who got it had to be retested after 14 days and needed two negatives two days in a row to be allowed out

He tested positive and is now on week four and hoping he gets the two negatives this weekend so he can go out

US2 · 08-05-2020 12:36AM

fritzelly wrote: »

If the grandparents catch it and die from it that's something they have to live with not you

The grandparents are in their 60s, not old senile. They know they probably shouldn't meet the children either. Blames on them for their own death if it happened

US2 · 08-05-2020 12:36AM

fritzelly wrote: »

If the grandparents catch it and die from it that's something they have to live with not you

The grandparents are in their 60s, not old senile. They know they probably shouldn't meet the children either. Blames on them for their own death if it happened

fritzelly · 08-05-2020 12:41AM

US2 wrote: »

The grandparents are in their 60s, not old senile. They know they probably shouldn't meet the children either. Blames on them for their own death if it happened

True - but its the kids that will have that thought for the rest of their lives

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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