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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #1142
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ex smokers are probably older on average

    Now really, there would be a lot of ex smokers who are younger too, who turned from smoking to vaping because the smokes were too costly. My experience and observation.


  • #1143
    Whirlaway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭Whirlaway


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    They don't. The benefit of the mask is to protect others from the wearer . I really don't understand how people don't get this.

    Surely it's easy to see why people 'don't get it'? If a mask prevents droplets from being expelled, surely it prevents them from being inhaled? I'm guessing that's why doctors and nurses wear them ... or is it to prevent them from infecting their patients?


  • #1144
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Breakouts starting among the asylum seekers


    https://www.hotpress.com/culture/covid-19-controversy-erupts-cahersiveen-co-kerry-locking-asylum-seekers-22814020

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #1145
    [Deleted User]
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    They don't. The benefit of the mask is to protect others from the wearer . I really don't understand how people don't get this.

    I would imagine 90% plus of people wearing masks fully believe they are stopping themselves getting the virus and don’t understand that at best they are probably on giving themselves less than 50% reduced probability. Maybe is best we don’t pass that on the vociferously as self interest is always the better motivation


  • #1146
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Whirlaway wrote: »
    Surely it's easy to see why people 'don't get it'? If a mask prevents droplets from being expelled, surely it prevents them from being inhaled? I'm guessing that's why doctors and nurses wear them ... or is it to prevent them from infecting their patients?

    It is to prevent them infecting the patient. A fully sealed mask is the best for preventing the user becoming infected and is why these are being prioritised to hospitals


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  • #1147
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Miike wrote: »
    Dropped into Lidl earlier. It's been literally weeks since I've been inside the door of a supermarket or anywhere but work really... Jesus tonight. Compared to a couple of weeks ago (~4 weeks maybe) there is a frightening difference. It's the same as if this thing never existed. It was packed to the rafters and I'd say less than 10% observing any description of social distancing. We'll see an upswing in numbers (and additional control measures) way faster than anticipated if this is anything to go by. I'm aware one shop doesn't determine the populations behaviour but if people are getting this relaxed already.... I fear for whats to come more than what has passed :(

    It's disappointing reading your post. We all have a responsibility going forward to stamp down on this virus. Went to the shop the other day and I saw someone with a trolley of beer cases. I didn't investigate the trolley but it did look like it was all beer. She couldn't have been buying all for herself. That would tell me there was some sort of a party or get together happening.

    I know we got some good numbers today but we can't get too comfortable going forward. We need to be on guard and continue to do our bit. Especially if we want any normality to come back. It would be great if we could stamp down on this virus and eradicate the community transmissions throughout this summer and allow the children to go back to school come September. September and the new school year always sees a spike in colds going around so that could be a problem if this virus is still circulating.


  • #1148
    AllGunsBlazing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    I dare anyone to wear a surgical mask and resist the urge to adjust it with their hands at least once. Comfortable they are not.


  • #1149
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Masks stop you touching your face. That's their main value.
    Their main value is to stop you spluttering onto someone else and passing on the virus if you're infected.
    "Their" main drawback is that people are idiots.


  • #1150
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    So, opinions on this?

    Cousin and her boyfriend, both around 19 and started meeting again. Both don't live together.

    What's worse I heard tonight that they visited his Grandparents in their garden. Both Grandparents are in their mid 60s. Apparently it was ok because "they set in the front garden and kept social distancing"

    They broke the restrictions twice here surely? Once by meeting each other and then going to meet his Grandparents in the garden


  • #1151
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    So, opinions on this?



    Cousin and her boyfriend, both around 19 and started meeting again. Both don't live together.



    What's worse I heard tonight that they visited his Grandparents in their garden. Both Grandparents are in their mid 60s. Apparently it was ok because "they set in the front garden and kept social distancing"



    They broke the restrictions twice here surely? Once by meeting each other and then going to meet his Grandparents in the garden

    Agreed. What is one to do about it however.


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  • #1152
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    martingriff wrote: »
    As long as the mask is tight fitting yes I agree you are protected from mouth or nose not the eyes. Also the thing about touching the inside of the mask is if you are not sick but you touch a surface that could have you may infect yourself.

    I am not against masks but you are not 100% safe when wearing a mask from what I say above to touching your face when taking off the mask. I would also say some people who do not wear a mask might be safer as they could be more alert to the dangers

    There's a huge difference in the functionality of masks (i.e. potential viral exposure) between a healthcare worker in e.g. a Covid ward and a Tesco shopper.


  • #1153
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    So, opinions on this?

    Cousin and her boyfriend, both around 19 and started meeting again. Both don't live together.

    What's worse I heard tonight that they visited his Grandparents in their garden. Both Grandparents are in their mid 60s. Apparently it was ok because "they set in the front garden and kept social distancing"

    They broke the restrictions twice here surely? Once by meeting each other and then going to meet his Grandparents in the garden


    If the grandparents catch it and die from it that's something they have to live with not you


  • #1154
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Whirlaway wrote: »
    Surely it's easy to see why people 'don't get it'? If a mask prevents droplets from being expelled, surely it prevents them from being inhaled? I'm guessing that's why doctors and nurses wear them ... or is it to prevent them from infecting their patients?

    No it is to help them not been infected. You will also see that doctor and nurse will wash there hands before using a mask or gloves and throw them away after every patient. Plus they are only around a person for a very short period of time


  • #1155
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Breakouts starting among the asylum seekers


    https://www.hotpress.com/culture/covid-19-controversy-erupts-cahersiveen-co-kerry-locking-asylum-seekers-22814020

    This has been dealt with weeks ago in the Kerry thread - they contracted the disease in Dublin before they were ever moved to Kerry, so blame the various hotel owners for trying to cram as many people as possible into one building, in order to maximise paycheques, and then the DoJ for compounding the problem.


  • #1156
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    So, opinions on this?

    Cousin and her boyfriend, both around 19 and started meeting again. Both don't live together.

    What's worse I heard tonight that they visited his Grandparents in their garden. Both Grandparents are in their mid 60s. Apparently it was ok because "they set in the front garden and kept social distancing"

    They broke the restrictions twice here surely? Once by meeting each other and then going to meet his Grandparents in the garden

    If they met his grandparents in the Supermarket would it be ok?


  • #1157
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Masks stop you touching your face. That's their main value.

    No they don't. That's a silly claim to make. Smart people don't touch their face.


  • #1158
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    So, opinions on this?

    Cousin and her boyfriend, both around 19 and started meeting again. Both don't live together.

    What's worse I heard tonight that they visited his Grandparents in their garden. Both Grandparents are in their mid 60s. Apparently it was ok because "they set in the front garden and kept social distancing"

    They broke the restrictions twice here surely? Once by meeting each other and then going to meet his Grandparents in the garden

    If they are farther then the 5KM apart then yes and if the grandparents were 5KM apart then yes providing they were not bringing the something. At least they stayed away from them. You could say all those who did the drive by birthdays for older people were breaking laws but luckily the law used there heads


  • #1159
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    If they met his grandparents in the Supermarket would it be ok?


    That's an interesting question. Where do you draw the line?

    I just don't understand why people won't follow the rules. We are starting to beat this as a country


  • #1160
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    martingriff wrote: »
    If they are farther then the 5KM apart then yes and if the grandparents were 5KM apart then yes


    The 5Km rule only covered exercise I thought.

    From my understanding, I thought no other househould was to meet with another?


  • #1161
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    That's an interesting question. Where do you draw the line?

    I just don't understand why people won't follow the rules. We are starting to beat this as a country

    I actually think people are sensible, I think this beating this as a country is funny. What do you think is going to happen when we open up and people travel with no restrictions.
    Btw the majority of the positive cases mentioned today were in Nursing homes, only 22 in the wider community. Your cousin's grandparents are lucky they are not in a nursing home.


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  • #1162
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Did you not know the r0 went from 4 to 0.5 all on its own

    It actually went from 4 to 0.8 as a result of social distancing. It went from 0.8 to 0.5 as a result of the lockdown.


    ha


  • #1163
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I actually think people are sensible, I think this beating this as a country is funny. What do you think is going to happen when we open up and people travel with no restrictions.
    Btw the majority of the positive cases mentioned today were in Nursing homes, only 22 in the wider community. Your cousin's grandparents are lucky they are not in a nursing home.


    We are still letting people into the country with no restrictions! They even don't give details of where they are staying and many can't be contacted if they do. Worse there is no legal basis as of now to make them isolate.


  • #1164
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Miike wrote: »
    Dropped into Lidl earlier. It's been literally weeks since I've been inside the door of a supermarket or anywhere but work really... Jesus tonight. Compared to a couple of weeks ago (~4 weeks maybe) there is a frightening difference. It's the same as if this thing never existed. It was packed to the rafters and I'd say less than 10% observing any description of social distancing. We'll see an upswing in numbers (and additional control measures) way faster than anticipated if this is anything to go by. I'm aware one shop doesn't determine the populations behaviour but if people are getting this relaxed already.... I fear for whats to come more than what has passed :(

    Do people still think you catch this because somebody brushes by you in a supermarket?


  • #1165
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    AdamD wrote: »
    Do people still think you catch this because somebody brushes by you in a supermarket?


    If they have it and it is on their clothes then yes you could.


  • #1166
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    The 5Km rule only covered exercise I thought.

    From my understanding, I thought no other househould was to meet with another?


    Anyone?

    I thought we couldn't meet other households till June 8th?


  • #1167
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Masks stop you touching your face. That's their main value.
    The crap that the WHO and the CMO for the last country in the world except England are peddling is that:


    "There is some evidence to suggest that wearing a mask cause people to touch their face more often"


    Some evidence means some "fellas think this".


    Nobody ever said they stop you touching your face. Not even the anti maskers.


  • #1168
    Plumbthedepths
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    It actually went from 4 to 0.8 as a result of social distancing. It went from 0.8 to 0.5 as a result of the lockdown.


    ha

    Makes you wonder if SD was so effective why is the country still locked down and going to take almost 3 months to open fully. Is there an unwillingness to admit a flawed policy do you think.


  • #1169
    speckle
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    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Anyone?

    I thought we couldn't meet other households till June 8th?

    https://www.gov.ie/en/news/58bc8b-taoiseach-announces-roadmap-for-reopening-society-and-business-and-u/


  • #1170
    Plumbthedepths
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    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Anyone?

    I thought we couldn't meet other households till June 8th?

    What do you think will be any different on the 8th of June versus the 7th of May?


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  • #1171
    Speakerboxx
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    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Anyone?

    I thought we couldn't meet other households till June 8th?

    Correct but some people clearly ignoring it.


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