Is it just me or have SF vanished?

James Brown · 07-05-2020 08:20PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

So why did David Cullinane go on about the IRA then? Did you yawn then or cheer?
When SF cheered when a new TD was elected and the tricolour was waved and the 'up the RA' a nation once again was sung. Did you yawn or cheer?

You and those types exactly the type of republican hypocrites, who I am on about.

An ejit being an ejit. Every party has them sadly. Sure Charlie Flanagan and FG wanted a parade for the RIC/Tans.

I don't go in for all that.

How am I a hypocrite? You want to discuss things like the IRA and killing, good for you. It's boring at this point. *Yawn* If I was over in the FG thread and people kept going on about racism/nazism and FG I'd be as bored too. They merit reference, (IRA/Nazis-Blueshirts) but in context not constantly. Change the record, it's got Ohh Ahh up the 'Ra on it

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07-05-2020 08:21PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Regardless of whether they are or not, they aren't sitting in opposition by choice, if you might recall. FF and FG have refused to do business with them.

What about the rest of the TD’s? MaryLou isn’t even acknowledging their approaches.

gormdubhgorm · 07-05-2020 08:23PM

Odhinn wrote: »

..you can't see the fact that crown forces were the aggressor in suppressing nationalism and its desire for a free and independent state?

Well Eamon Ceannt's father did not feel that way and the money he earned from the 'crowns forces' rared him.
But that is well over a century ago now. Where your 'oppression' these days? You sound like James Dean. A rebel without a clause.

Shefwedfan · 07-05-2020 08:24PM

Bowie wrote: »

Gormdubh brought up the IRA. I responded, you responded to that with more IRA.

It was likely related to their cause as much as the killings the others carried out in the south. These things happened.
You still on your parties that aren't in government don't govern kick or have you moved on completely?

Incorrect. See above. I'm literally complaining to him about bringing up the IRA all the time.

So that's a yes I take it :rolleyes:

Check you post, you brought them up.....Gormdubh came after that

I was specific when I mentioned the South to keep the IRA out of it.

Bowie wrote: »

As much if not more than every other opposition party/TD. Called out cronyism and incompetence. Why even FG's Leo would relish such an opportunity for the good of the country. The opposition play an important roll.
As for SF specifically it's hard to say. They would have played a roll in every failed policy FF/FG stood down. Every positive for the country they supported and having connections with the north and the IRA were likely invaluable in obtaining peace. If you are looking for policies they implemented you'd likely need look at local level.
I suspect this is just another of your non-attack attacks on SF and you've no interest in any response, but there it is anyway.

gormdubhgorm · 07-05-2020 08:26PM

Bowie wrote: »

An ejit being an ejit. Every party has them sadly. Sure Charlie Flanagan and FG wanted a parade for the RIC/Tans.

I don't go in for all that.

How am I a hypocrite? You want to discuss things like the IRA and killing, good for you. It's boring at this point. *Yawn* If I was over in the FG thread and people kept going on about racism/nazism and FG I'd be as bored too. They merit reference, (IRA/Nazis-Blueshirts) but in context not constantly. Change the record, it's got Ohh Ahh up the 'Ra on it .

It is not boring point it is hypocrisy of SF they seem to have a lot more eejits than many other parties Dessie Ellis, AOS the list goes on.

SF will always glorify and protect republicans/IRA/former members no matter how immoral thier actions are. Until that happens myself any many others will not vote for them for DE, as simple as that. You only have to look at Mary Lou's last Late Late interview, to see the amount of playing with words SF do when the IRA comes up.

Shefwedfan · 07-05-2020 08:28PM

Bowie wrote: »

An ejit being an ejit. Every party has them sadly. Sure Charlie Flanagan and FG wanted a parade for the RIC/Tans.

I don't go in for all that.

How am I a hypocrite? You want to discuss things like the IRA and killing, good for you. It's boring at this point. *Yawn* If I was over in the FG thread and people kept going on about racism/nazism and FG I'd be as bored too. They merit reference, (IRA/Nazis-Blueshirts) but in context not constantly. Change the record, it's got Ohh Ahh up the 'Ra on it .

If thats the truth then condemn him. Especially on live TV. MLM just brushed over it.

You mention Nazis, what would happen if a German politician done a certain hand sign?

Also we should not forget about this which SF like to brush under the carpet https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-51381092

TheCitizen · 07-05-2020 08:33PM

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Morally justified or not, it failed utterly and was a strategic disaster so cannot be justified in a political sense. SF spent 30 years backing a military campaign and end up supping tead with her Majesty! For what? Seats in a glorified county council. Talk about a climbdown.

The only people who benefitted from it all were the armed groups on both sides who have used the situation to build criminal empires. I suppose a lot of SF members would be ok with that. Meanwhile the Irish people voted by 90% plus to drop their claim on NI. 2-0 to HMG

The only thing SF care about is a united Ireland. They would go to any point on the political spectrum to deliver this. If it does happen, it will be demographics that does it not SF policies. They, through their own poor judgment and short sighted policies, have delayed the very thing they seek the most. Unfit.

It's amazing the amount of people that pontificate about history when they haven't a clue, or as the case may be are deliberately misinterpreting history to suit their own narrative.

The recent conflict in Northern Ireland continued on for 30 years because the Unionists vetoed Sunningdale in 1974. O'Neill from the Unionists paid the political price as Paisley and hardliners whipped up a frenzy for their own political ends.

The GFA years later was similar in many ways to Sunningdale. "Sunningdale for slow learners" the GFA was described as by Seamus Mallon I believe and he was directing his ire at Republicans and Unionists. However, it wasn't Nationalists and/or Republicans that scuppered Sunningdale. Paisley and the DUP of course initially opposed the GFA but then ironically implemented it when his party became the biggest Unionist Party and took the trappings of office.

Please read a few history books on this before coming on here spouting the anti Sinn fein line just cos you probably vote for an opponent political party.

gormdubhgorm · 07-05-2020 08:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Indeed speaking of paul quinn and since a thread about politians disappearing....why have ffg dropped his family like a hot snot as soon as election was over?

Because it was clear that was no genuine movement from SF on the issue?
It was mentioned time and time again, no movement.
Then the covid19 arrived and instead of dodging a bullet like they usually do, or deflecting. It looks like metaphorically covid19 crisis has hit SF hard. Ironically, practically speaking - gloves, sunglasses and a balaclava, may provide some protection against covid19.

James Brown · 07-05-2020 08:52PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Check you post, you brought them up.....Gormdubh came after that

I was specific when I mentioned the South to keep the IRA out of it.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I did ask the question to see if it was just me who couldn't come up with a single good thing they have done. Not a single answer yet.

I wouldn't say I hate SF either, I see MLM is a good politician. I felt her interview on the LLS was good till the "up da Ra" question which she was let down with....

You brought up the IRA first, but it was in context. Then I mentioned them in context.

Fair enough I was the first to use the IRA in that line of discussion, as it related to a query you've lost interest in if you ever had any.
I then responded to an off topic IRA slant and you responded to that. I'm sure others mentioned the IRA before me.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Well Eamon Ceannt's father did not feel that way and the money he earned from the 'crowns forces' rared him.
But that is well over a century ago now. Where your 'oppression' these days? You sound like James Dean. A rebel without a clause.

Where's your IRA 'these days'. The war is over. There still is a cause.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is not boring point it is hypocrisy of SF they seem to have a lot more eejits than many other parties Dessie Ellis, AOS the list goes on.

SF will always glorify and protect republicans/IRA/former members no matter how immoral thier actions are. Until that happens myself any many others will not vote for them for DE, as simple as that. You only have to look at Mary Lou's last Late Late interview, to see the amount of playing with words SF do when the IRA comes up.

That's not my hypocrisy, nor TBF is it SF's. You are just pointing out some say 'up the 'RA' and some where in it. Big whup.

Funny, earlier you were going on about how they'll move away from it. Make up your mind.
She has to. If I were head of a political party that had ties to an illegal organisation I'd be careful too. That's just good sense IMO. FG's Drew Harris would be dawn raiding her house if she wasn't.

07-05-2020 08:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ffg are in government and direct garda policy/dept of justice

What have sf got to do with this,since they arent allowed into government......

indeed it was ffg courting his elderly parents for political gain,incentive should lie with them imo

Care to translate?

gormdubhgorm · 07-05-2020 09:09PM

Bowie wrote: »

Where's your IRA 'these days'. The war is over. There still is a cause.

That's not my hypocrisy, nor TBF is it SF's. You are just pointing out some say 'up the 'RA' and some where in it. Big whup.

Funny, earlier you were going on about how they'll move away from it. Make up your mind.
She has to. If I were head of a political party that had ties to an illegal organisation I'd be careful too. That's just good sense IMO.

Army Council is still there in one form or another. Gerry appearing in photo ops and going to negotiations not long ago

You don't seem to get it do you -

Main types of SF supporter

1) Some born in the 'occupied 6' - want freedom etc etc - glorify republicanism
2) Born in the ROI working class disenfranchised want a 'dodgy/hard' vibe - vote SF have Celtic and liverpool/man united tattoos.
3) The naive young - who are too young to remember the troubles so have no issue voting SF nor do they see thier hypocrisy.

SF's problem is they claim to have moved away from violence. But attract those who would get a kick out of those days (Cullinane) or those who glorify Republican violence (Ellis)
When SF get rid of this yahoo vibe only then will they be a proper party which the electorate can buy into. At the moment they still have to use SF double speak when it comes to anything relating to republicanism.
Plus the nation should be thankful that SF were not in charge during cocvid19 as they would have been woefully under-qualified to handle it.

Dessie Ellis, AOS, Mark Ward etc? They would hardly exude a sense of calm and professionalism in a crisis would they? I would say the SF thinktanks have no clue what to do now other than hope that something goes wrong (not too wrong) with the caretaker government's handling of the covid19 in the hope they get a bump in the polls with a few statements of 'I told you so'

07-05-2020 09:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What part are you struggling on

All of it. I don’t talk in riddles.

Beasty · 07-05-2020 09:16PM

Edgware wrote: »

Which is very little from behind your couch

Attack the post, not the poster

all about the mane · 07-05-2020 09:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ffg are in government and direct garda policy/dept of justice

What have sf got to do with this,since they arent allowed into government......

indeed it was ffg courting his elderly parents for political gain prior to election,incentive should lie with them imo

‘Not allowed into government’

Who is stopping them?

Odhinn · 07-05-2020 09:29PM

all about the mane wrote: »

‘Not allowed into government’

Who is stopping them?

The FF and FG parties, quite explicitly.

gormdubhgorm · 07-05-2020 09:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Did you read post it was replied to??

It was a qs,why ffg havnt progressed the inquiry into sean quinn....sf cant since republicans arent allowed in government

They rather cynically courted his elderly parents prior to election,for political gain??time to progress investigation,or apoligise to his family

Because SF are unwilling to give the 'all clear' for those who are told to say nothing about those who are protecting the murderers of Sean Quinn - or the murderers of Sean Quinn.

SF do not have to be 'in' to do that. They merely have to act like ordinary decent human beings with a conscious. Instead of playing the 'good republican' game. Until that happens it is very difficult for the authorities to make a move on it. As at the moment the alleged perps are being 'protected' in their community by a cloak of republicanism.

James Brown · 07-05-2020 09:33PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Army Council is still there in one form or another. Gerry appearing in photo ops and going to negotiations not long ago

You don't seem to get it do you -

Main types of SF supporter

1) Some born in the 'occupied 6' - want freedom etc etc - glorify republicanism
2) Born in the ROI working class disenfranchised want a 'dodgy/hard' vibe - vote SF have Celtic and liverpool/man united tattoos.
3) The naive young - who are too young to remember the troubles so have no issue voting SF nor do they see thier hypocrisy.

SF's problem is they claim to have moved away from violence. But attract those who would get a kick out of those days (Cullinane) or those who glorify Republican violence (Ellis)
When SF get rid of this yahoo vibe only then will they be a proper party which the electorate can buy into. At the moment they still have to use SF double speak when it comes to anything relating to republicanism.
Plus the nation should be thankful that SF were not in charge during cocvid19 as they would have been woefully under-qualified to handle it.

Dessie Ellis, AOS, Mark Ward etc? They would hardly exude a sense of calm and professionalism in a crisis would they? I would say the SF thinktanks have no clue what to do now other than hope that something goes wrong (not too wrong) with the caretaker government's handling of the covid19 in the hope they get a bump in the polls with a few statements of 'I told you so'

They didn't die off no. Of course there are former IRA members involved with SF decisions. So what?
Many types of supporter for every party, again I say so what? Not sure what your point is TBH. You neglected to list ordinary members of the public who had enough of FF/FG's brand of governing.

I agree.
In your opinion. Who's to say? I think most folk would listen to experts during crises, except FG/FF of course, Covid#19 being an exception thankfully.

In your opinion. I think the upper echelons of FG are gombeens and corporate shills but hey...

gormdubhgorm · 07-05-2020 09:37PM

Odhinn wrote: »

The FF and FG parties, quite explicitly.

Rubbish it is both a combination of SF duplicity (taking out of the side of thier mouth on republican issues and past) that is stopping them. And thier inability to form a coalition with 'the left'.

Odhinn · 07-05-2020 09:40PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Rubbish it is both a combination of SF duplicity (taking out of the side of thier mouth on republican issues and past) that is stopping them. ..............

Do explain this please. FF & FG refuse to go into government - how is this SF's fault?

Jinglejangle69 · 07-05-2020 09:43PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Do explain this please. FF & FG refuse to go into government - how is this SF's fault?

Well then they didn't get enough of a mandate so.

That's the way it crumbles.

Better luck next time.

all about the mane · 07-05-2020 09:45PM

Odhinn wrote: »

The FF and FG parties, quite explicitly.

How are they stopping them?

gormdubhgorm · 07-05-2020 09:45PM

Bowie wrote: »

They didn't die off no. Of course there are former IRA members involved with SF decisions. So what?
Many types of supporter for every party, again I say so what? Not sure what your point is TBH. You neglected to list ordinary members of the public who had enough of FF/FG's brand of governing.

I agree.
In your opinion. Who's to say? I think most folk would listen to experts during crises, except FG/FF of course, Covid#19 being an exception thankfully.

In your opinion. I think the upper echelons of FG are gombeens and corporate shills but hey...

Well I voted FG for the first time in my life last election precisely for the reason they said they would not go into government with SF.

I also voted Labour who said they would not go in with SF pre-election.
I also voted Greens who I hoped would make up the numbers in a coalition.

The fact is (FG FF and Labour Greens) got more votes and seats than SF so that is the real popular vote.

As for the IRA - so what? There is no so what. Any fool can see who is really pulling the strings in SF and it is not those who have been elected by and large (unless they were former members of the council)

Plus SF always speak in double speak like you are now pretending the IRA have gone. But they have just re-branded like the way eircom is now eir.

ThunbergsAreGo · 07-05-2020 09:46PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Do explain this please. FF & FG refuse to go into government - how is this SF's fault?

They seem to be the only ones trying to be in government

Odhinn · 07-05-2020 09:46PM

all about the mane wrote: »

How are they stopping them?

They've refused to go into government with them.

ThunbergsAreGo · 07-05-2020 09:47PM

Odhinn wrote: »

They've refused to go into government with them.

Just as they said they would

Jinglejangle69 · 07-05-2020 09:48PM

Odhinn wrote: »

They've refused to go into government with them.

So what have SF done to try form a government given what you just said?

They just gave up.

Talk about putting all your eggs in the worst basket.

Mary Lou said FF or FG in government would be a disaster.

Yet now she would go into government with them?

Shefwedfan · 07-05-2020 09:48PM

Odhinn wrote: »

The FF and FG parties, quite explicitly.

For a party that "won" the election we are now 16 weeks since that election, no government is formed yet. The old one is still in place and SF have done what exactly to form a government?

all about the mane · 07-05-2020 09:48PM

Odhinn wrote: »

They've refused to go into government with them.

So? That’s not stopping them. You do know how government formation works, yeah?

aido79 · 07-05-2020 09:56PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So what have SF done to try form a government given what you just said?

They just gave up.

Talk about putting all your eggs in the worst basket.

Mary Lou said FF or FG in government would be a disaster.

Yet now she would go into government with them?

She doesn't even seem to mind which of them she goes into government with.

gormdubhgorm · 07-05-2020 09:59PM

Odhinn wrote: »

They've refused to go into government with them.

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Just as they said they would

It is FF and FG's (and Labour's) mandate not to go into government with SF that was clearly said to electorate pre-election. It is a bit hypocritical of SF and SF supporters to critise FF and FG's mandate. When SF go on about thier 'mondate' not go into Westminster for example. Even if SF could have stopped Brexit by going into WM!

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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