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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #4472
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,935 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    SF have so far kept quiet after this earlier...

    https://www.independent.ie/videos/irish-news/leo-varadkar-accuses-mary-lou-mcdonald-of-being-two-faced-in-heated-dail-exchange-39188234.html

    That was a very powerful response.


  • #4473
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,786 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Edgware wrote: »
    "Dont hit me with the Peace Process in me arms". Although since Adams went we dont get that threat anymore. The Dublin gang of three seem to be running the show

    jaysus make up yer minds. one minute its shadowy people in belfast, now its 'the dublin gang of three'.


  • #4474
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,786 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    SF have so far kept quiet after this earlier...

    https://www.independent.ie/videos/irish-news/leo-varadkar-accuses-mary-lou-mcdonald-of-being-two-faced-in-heated-dail-exchange-39188234.html

    never knew MLMD was part of the northern government ..otherwise she can hardly be 'two faced'. usual cheap, inaccurate shots. keep reading the Indo.


  • #4475
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That was a very powerful response.


    Comparing apples and oranges if ye ask me. Or like a few more on here, answering a question you were never asked.

    He really hasn't a clue.


  • #4476
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,935 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    maccored wrote: »
    never knew MLMD was part of the northern government ..otherwise she can hardly be 'two faced'. usual cheap, inaccurate shots. keep reading the Indo.
    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Comparing apples and oranges if ye ask me. Or like a few more on here, answering a question you were never asked.

    He really hasn't a clue.


    Mary-Lou isn't part of the government in the South either, yet she isn't slow to criticise.

    Where is she on the paltry amount of £100 to those who lost their jobs in the North? Where is she on government food parcels being handed out by her own Ministers in that government? Nowhere, she says nothing.

    Where is she on the spill-over into Cavan and Monaghan with their higher rates of Covid-19 as a result of lax practices in the North? Nowhere, she says nothing.


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  • #4477
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I see Richard Boyd Barrett has said he has heard nothing back from Sinn Féin after his letter to Mary Lou the other day.

    Who said this forming a government has a bit to run yet?


  • #4478
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    maccored wrote: »
    never knew MLMD was part of the northern government ..otherwise she can hardly be 'two faced'. usual cheap, inaccurate shots. keep reading the Indo.




    He didnt say MLMD was part of northern government, he said she was a leader of an All Ireland party, a party in power in Northern Ireland


    He is right, she should be ashamed, throwing mud in Ireland and no care for the North


  • #4479
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Mary-Lou isn't part of the government in the South either, yet she isn't slow to criticise.

    Where is she on the paltry amount of £100 to those who lost their jobs in the North? Where is she on government food parcels being handed out by her own Ministers in that government? Nowhere, she says nothing.

    Where is she on the spill-over into Cavan and Monaghan with their higher rates of Covid-19 as a result of lax practices in the North? Nowhere, she says nothing.

    So Stormont doesn't set rates and Leo was bullsh1tting. Thanks Blanch.


  • #4480
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    SF have so far kept quiet after this earlier...

    https://www.independent.ie/videos/irish-news/leo-varadkar-accuses-mary-lou-mcdonald-of-being-two-faced-in-heated-dail-exchange-39188234.html




    Good on Leo, everyone is sick of listen to Mary Lou throwin mud while doing nothing in Ireland or her party doing anything in the North.....


  • #4481
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    So Stormont doesn't set rates and Leo was bullsh1tting. Thanks Blanch.


    :P:P
    Its always someone elses fault isnt it



    Whats the point in putting SF into any government when all they do is point the finger at someone else?


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  • #4482
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,935 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    I see Richard Boyd Barrett has said he has heard nothing back from Sinn Féin after his letter to Mary Lou the other day.

    Who said this forming a government has a bit to run yet?


    At the rate that Sinn Fein are working on it, they might get a draft to him by 2022.


  • #4483
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,935 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    So Stormont doesn't set rates and Leo was bullsh1tting. Thanks Blanch.


    Leo was pointing out her whinging and complaining about the South, while doing nothing about the North.

    At the very least, if she has no power in the North, she could at least take up her seats and raise it in Westminister.

    As always, though, she is doing nothing and is full of cheap talk.


  • #4484
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    blanch152 wrote: »
    At the rate that Sinn Fein are working on it, they might get a draft to him by 2022.


    SF email department


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  • #4485
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    maccored wrote: »
    never knew MLMD was part of the northern government ..otherwise she can hardly be 'two faced'. usual cheap, inaccurate shots. keep reading the Indo.

    To be fair, the indo is run by an FF stalwart these days,very dig dig at FG
    You'd quite like it probably, save for today's reporting of the roasting Leo gave MLM


  • #4486
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    So Stormont doesn't set rates and Leo was bullsh1tting. Thanks Blanch.

    What is the point of SF or any party in the North?

    Nothing ever seems to be their responsibility or fault. It's always big bad Westminster.


  • #4487
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,852 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    maccored wrote: »
    never knew MLMD was part of the northern government ..otherwise she can hardly be 'two faced'. usual cheap, inaccurate shots. keep reading the Indo.

    SF is an all island party so surely they also want an equal policy platform...its like pension changes fine for NI but not ROI.


  • #4488
    aido79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    What is the point of SF or any party in the North?

    Nothing ever seems to be their responsibility or fault. It's always big bad Westminster.

    Health is their responsibility. It's been devolved from Westminster to the North. There really is no reason why an all island response to covid19 can't be implemented. SF are in the best position to do this and would be better off working on this than nitpicking at what FG are doing in the Republic.


  • #4489
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,935 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    aido79 wrote: »
    Health is their responsibility. It's been devolved from Westminster to the North. There really is no reason why an all island response to covid19 can't be implemented. SF are in the best position to do this and would be better off working on this than nitpicking at what FG are doing in the Republic.


    They have failed abysmally at that. The higher rates of deaths in the border counties are testament to that.


  • #4490
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    These threads are interesting. If you see the FF and FG supporters they can see the good and bad in the party. Have a conversation

    Then you have SF, everything is wonderful. They are incredible. MLM is brill.

    But a simple question like what have SF done in 30 years in the South which has helped Irish people and not a single answer. The bit of power they have is in the North and it is a disaster, they even shut down the government for 3 years. Anyone asks about it and it was XYZ fault.

    Like honestly how can anyone have such a blinded view of SF? why do people think they are actually going to do anything? even look at their politicians, the newest and greatest who are supposed to have no links to the bad SF. We have "up da ra" boyo who they wouldn't even condemn at any level. Then you have the charity thief who is too busy on facebook abusing people to actually help. Like it really it a rabble.

    Yet you look on here, well it is just baffling to me.


  • #4491
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    These threads are interesting. If you see the FF and FG supporters they can see the good and bad in the party. Have a conversation

    Then you have SF, everything is wonderful. They are incredible. MLM is brill.

    But a simple question like what have SF done in 30 years in the South which has helped Irish people and not a single answer. The bit of power they have is in the North and it is a disaster, they even shut down the government for 3 years. Anyone asks about it and it was XYZ fault.

    Like honestly how can anyone have such a blinded view of SF? why do people think they are actually going to do anything? even look at their politicians, the newest and greatest who are supposed to have no links to the bad SF. We have "up da ra" boyo who they wouldn't even condemn at any level. Then you have the charity thief who is too busy on facebook abusing people to actually help. Like it really it a rabble.

    Yet you look on here, well it is just baffling to me.


    You should get a few 'thanks' for all that.


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  • #4492
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,935 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    These threads are interesting. If you see the FF and FG supporters they can see the good and bad in the party. Have a conversation

    Then you have SF, everything is wonderful. They are incredible. MLM is brill.

    But a simple question like what have SF done in 30 years in the South which has helped Irish people and not a single answer. The bit of power they have is in the North and it is a disaster, they even shut down the government for 3 years. Anyone asks about it and it was XYZ fault.

    Like honestly how can anyone have such a blinded view of SF? why do people think they are actually going to do anything? even look at their politicians, the newest and greatest who are supposed to have no links to the bad SF. We have "up da ra" boyo who they wouldn't even condemn at any level. Then you have the charity thief who is too busy on facebook abusing people to actually help. Like it really it a rabble.

    Yet you look on here, well it is just baffling to me.

    To be honest, you could accuse me of having a blinded view of SF as well. I can't think of a single thing that they have done over the last 40 years which has improved people's lives. Even the stopping of killing people was down to the IRA.

    It is an interesting point of debate that SF attract such polarising views. Why do they attract such fanatical devotion and why are they hated so intensely? There is no moderation of views.


  • #4493
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    To be honest, you could accuse me of having a blinded view of SF as well. I can't think of a single thing that they have done over the last 40 years which has improved people's lives. Even the stopping of killing people was down to the IRA.

    It is an interesting point of debate that SF attract such polarising views. Why do they attract such fanatical devotion and why are they hated so intensely? There is no moderation of views.

    If I may accuse you of being so blinded by your hatred for all things SF that you might miss a very obvious reality that many of SF's votes came from people with no fanatical devotion toward SF and were likely former FF/FG voters and might likely be again at some point.
    The idea that the only votes SF get are from fanatics or any due criticism of FG can only come from such fanatics, is for you to try work out in your own mind because it's most likely not reality.


  • #4494
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    These threads are interesting. If you see the FF and FG supporters they can see the good and bad in the party. Have a conversation

    Then you have SF, everything is wonderful. They are incredible. MLM is brill.

    But a simple question like what have SF done in 30 years in the South which has helped Irish people and not a single answer. The bit of power they have is in the North and it is a disaster, they even shut down the government for 3 years. Anyone asks about it and it was XYZ fault.

    Like honestly how can anyone have such a blinded view of SF? why do people think they are actually going to do anything? even look at their politicians, the newest and greatest who are supposed to have no links to the bad SF. We have "up da ra" boyo who they wouldn't even condemn at any level. Then you have the charity thief who is too busy on facebook abusing people to actually help. Like it really it a rabble.

    Yet you look on here, well it is just baffling to me.

    If you were being genuine and paid attention to your own posts you'd see the rampant hypocrisy in your comments above. You often drop into a discussion with a jaded or bad taste one liner.


  • #4495
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,494 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    blanch152 wrote: »
    To be honest, you could accuse me of having a blinded view of SF as well..


    No!!!!!!!!!!!


  • #4496
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    blanch152 wrote: »
    To be honest, you could accuse me of having a blinded view of SF as well. I can't think of a single thing that they have done over the last 40 years which has improved people's lives. Even the stopping of killing people was down to the IRA.

    It is an interesting point of debate that SF attract such polarising views. Why do they attract such fanatical devotion and why are they hated so intensely? There is no moderation of views.


    I did ask the question to see if it was just me who couldn't come up with a single good thing they have done. Not a single answer yet.



    I wouldn't say I hate SF either, I see MLM is a good politician. I felt her interview on the LLS was good till the "up da Ra" question which she was let down with. They have a couple of good politician but not many. I have said that since day 1 on any of these threads. But that is lost in between the accusation of Finbot and now FF something or other.


    I will wait and see if the 30 year question get answers, I suspect it wont and as usual the regulars will try and lose it in the middle of accusations etc


  • #4497
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,739 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    blanch152 wrote: »

    It is an interesting point of debate that SF attract such polarising views. Why do they attract such fanatical devotion and why are they hated so intensely? There is no moderation of views.
    I think that their local councillors have a tradition of being very hard working and very visible particularly in working class areas. On the other hand a lot of people would say their national policies are poorly thought out, naive or even a tad fairy tailish.


  • #4498
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I did ask the question to see if it was just me who couldn't come up with a single good thing they have done. Not a single answer yet.



    I wouldn't say I hate SF either, I see MLM is a good politician. I felt her interview on the LLS was good till the "up da Ra" question which she was let down with. They have a couple of good politician but not many. I have said that since day 1 on any of these threads. But that is lost in between the accusation of Finbot and now FF something or other.


    I will wait and see if the 30 year question get answers, I suspect it wont and as usual the regulars will try and lose it in the middle of accusations etc

    As much if not more than every other opposition party/TD. Called out cronyism and incompetence. Why even FG's Leo would relish such an opportunity for the good of the country. The opposition play an important roll.
    As for SF specifically it's hard to say. They would have played a roll in every failed policy FF/FG stood down. Every positive for the country they supported and having connections with the north and the IRA were likely invaluable in obtaining peace. If you are looking for policies they implemented you'd likely need look at local level.
    I suspect this is just another of your non-attack attacks on SF and you've no interest in any response, but there it is anyway.


  • #4499
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Bowie wrote: »
    As much if not more than every other opposition party/TD. Called out cronyism and incompetence. Why even FG's Leo would relish such an opportunity for the good of the country. The opposition play an important roll.
    As for SF specifically it's hard to say. They would have played a roll in every failed policy FF/FG stood down. Every positive for the country they supported and having connections with the north and the IRA were likely invaluable in obtaining peace. If you are looking for policies they implemented you'd likely need look at local level.
    I suspect this is just another of your non-attack attacks on SF and you've no interest in any response, but there it is anyway.

    How is it an attack? Name one thing SF have done for Irish people in 30 years, it’s a fairly simple question

    Sitting in the opposition is not helping anyone...


  • #4500
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    How is it an attack? Name one thing SF have done for Irish people in 30 years, it’s a fairly simple question

    Sitting in the opposition is not helping anyone...

    You said you think MLMD is a good politician, which isn't believable quite frankly based on your posts. Suggesting MLMD might have pretended she had Covid for a PR stunt for example. And..
    Sitting in the opposition is not helping anyone
    What do you mean by this? The opposition play a vital role in democratic politics unless you prefer an echo chamber.


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  • #4501
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,494 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    .........
    Sitting in the opposition is not helping anyone...




    Regardless of whether they are or not, they aren't sitting in opposition by choice, if you might recall. FF and FG have refused to do business with them.


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