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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #782
    Boggles
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Not at all. I live rurally. My local shop does not allow gloves hand sanitiser instead.
    Last Saturday outside Lidl in the nearest town to me I watched people with gloves on ignore the hand sanitising station set up outside yet gloveless people used it.
    Btw it's very easy to respond without the passive aggressive tone.

    I always ignore the hand santizing station, because I bring my own.

    I don't think any station where multiples of people are engaging with is a sound idea if not done correctly.


  • #783
    ek motor
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Another jogger "passed" me on the footpath last night. Not the type going for a normal run. The loon type, the equivalent of the tour de france cyclist, coming at me with a crazed look from 100 yards like he was running from the Walking Dead. The spluttering and heavy gasping as he approached would have been heard across the road. Then it's me that has to go out onto the road to avoid him.

    Ignorant muppets these types.

    Try putting an arm out by your side if you see someone like this approaching. A good shout of 'two meters!' or 'keep your distance! ' works too . Important to pipe up about this when you see it.


  • #784
    Fiery mutant
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The same idiots would prehaps use the hand sanitiser at the shops entrances that non gloved patrons use. The idiots wearing gloves normally breeze by.
    The nearest shop to where I live have a no glove policy you must sanitise your hands at the entrance with the product provided.

    The Tesco closest to me makes people sanitise their gloves if people are wearing them when they enter.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • #785
    podgeandrodge
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    GT89 wrote: »
    Yeah I've heard about that. I'm not sure why it's taken them so long to reopen. I'm not even sure why they closed in the first place considering they were allowed to for takeaways. My local chipper and a pizza place near me for example has been open the whole time.

    I think they had issues with maintaining distancing of workers within their kitchens, which have a very wide variety of food. The restricted menu they are introducing will maybe require less people in the kitchen. They had problems maintaining distancing of customers too, which might be easier using the drive thru window.


  • #786
    Away With The Fairies
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    Boggles wrote: »
    Pretend you are not wearing gloves then. Keep sanitizing as you go.

    One thing gloves will prevent is the virus getting under the finger nails, which can be extremely difficult to clean when you are out on the go.

    Again will gloves stop the spread of the virus on their own? No.

    But every little helps if done correctly.

    I like your idea of sanitising gloves.


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  • #787
    growleaves
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    Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot defends hairstylist visit amid coronavirus outbreak
    “I’m the public face of this city. I’m on national media and I’m out in the public eye,” Mayor Lori Lightfoot said.

    This the Mayor who said "This is how its gonna be……we will shut you down….we will cite you….we will arrest you" in response to house parties.


  • #788
    speckle
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Robocop reference aside they do look kind of cool.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2020/0507/1136960-fiumicino-airport/

    As long as they wear name tags so you know who your talkin' too!


  • #789
    Fiery mutant
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    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    1/3rd of passengers who arrived in Dublin Airport in the last 6 days refused to give details of the plans for their quarantine.

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21764223

    The government are leaving us wide open to more covid clusters and the attendant morbidity and deaths.

    We have had enough of the government and HSE incompetent dithering...

    Strict 14 day supervised quarantine NOW !!!

    Article I read stated it was 33% of people arriving in the last 6 WEEKS. They should have been Phuked out on their ear if they wouldn’t say. It’s lack of the enforcement of our laws like this that has this country in such a mess.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • #790
    Snow Garden
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I like your idea of sanitising gloves.

    I used to put on gloves and then hand sanitizer but now I just use the hand sanitizer. Our food and shopping shelves must be full of hand sanitizer!!


  • #791
    hotmail.com
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    No take aways I've seen are maintaining social distancing in the kitchen.

    Not sure how that's slipped under the radar. People don't care.


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  • #792
    smelly sock
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    smelly sock wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/possible-covid-19-case-in-france-in-december-5092142-May2020/

    I think we are all coming around to the fact that Covid-19 was in Europe and our country longer than we have been aware. Science now starting to confirm this.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/leaders-questions-58-5093409-May2020/

    Bump.


  • #793
    growleaves
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    More than 900 Missouri residents who 'snitched' on lockdown rule-breakers fear retaliation after their details are leaked online
    Hundreds of people have been exposed for reporting people who have flouted social distancing rules and some are now scared they could receive a backlash.

    The names and addresses of approximately 900 people in Missouri were released as part of a media request under the Sunshine Law, which allows for the release of information submitted to a public agency (except for wrongdoing and abuse tips).

    St. Louis County had urged the community to share details of anyone not following guidelines in response to the coronavirus pandemic and noted in the terms and conditions that information may be shared publicly.

    However some people may not have read the small print submitted tips via an online form and email from the end of March.


  • #794
    Plumbthedepths
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    smelly sock wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/leaders-questions-58-5093409-May2020/

    Bump.

    So prehaps this is the second wave and social distancing would have had the same affect as the present lockdown.
    I thought I would add Professor Nolan's tweet.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/president_mu/status/1257729864993562624


  • #795
    speckle
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    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/ConalThomas/status/1258347337333846016
    Fine a mistake ,but I would want to know exactly how it was made.
    And have they retrospectively tested any other samples that might be in the country.


  • #796
    seamus
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Good theory, however the bars measured on the primary axis are lab confirmed cases and match perfectly to the ILI measured on the secondary access if I am reading this correctly

    Yep. The indication from the chart is very much that the reports of illness last winter are adequately explained by lab confirmed testing for influenza.

    More likely than Covid having been widespread last year is that last year's 'flu outbreak left a considerable hole in the populations' immune response that covid has entered and taken advantage of.

    Without data though, it's all guesswork. Could easily just be pure coincidence.

    If there is a link though, it would suggest that there is a natural limit to this virus and there will be no need to specifically wait for a vaccine to get back to normal.
    speckle wrote: »
    Fine a mistake ,but I would want to know exactly how it was made.
    Probably something as simple as someone writing a 2 instead of a 4 for the month.
    And have they retrospectively tested any other samples that might be in the country.
    This is important now for all countries to engage in. Every single sample they have available in cold storage should be tested, regardless of why it was there or what the patient had. Go back month by month until we stop finding positive covid results.


  • #797
    Plumbthedepths
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    growleaves wrote: »
    More than 900 Missouri residents who 'snitched' on lockdown rule-breakers fear retaliation after their details are leaked online

    On a lighter note the phrase 'snitches get stitches ' springs to mind.


  • #798
    D.Q
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    ek motor wrote: »
    Try putting an arm out by your side if you see someone like this approaching. A good shout of 'two meters!' or 'keep your distance! ' works too . Important to pipe up about this when you see it.

    Are you Alan Partridge?


  • #799
    Rob A. Bank
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    How long it takes to recover from coronavirus

    This nasty virus not only causes deaths but it may leave survivors of severe illness in a bad way for more than a year !

    https://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/must_see/52508831/coronavirus-how-long-it-takes-to-recover


  • #800
    Plumbthedepths
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    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    How long it takes to recover from coronavirus

    This nasty virus not only causes deaths but it may leave survivors of severe illness in a bad way for more than a year !

    https://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/must_see/52508831/coronavirus-how-long-it-takes-to-recover

    Tubs and Claire B seemed to recover fairly well. Didn't even take a year.
    Why seek to highlight the worst possible outcome?


  • #801
    owlbethere
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    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    1/3rd of passengers who arrived in Dublin Airport in the last 6 days refused to give details of the plans for their quarantine.

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21764223

    The government are leaving us wide open to more covid clusters and the attendant morbidity and deaths.

    We have had enough of the government and HSE incompetent dithering...

    Strict 14 day supervised quarantine NOW !!!

    Are there any journalists going into this evenings briefing. Will you please ple3 please take this up with the team.


    Why should we live with restrictions when they are allowing the potential for more covid infections and clusters to start from this?


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  • #802
    John.Icy
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    There is just nothing abnormal about the graph Gavan shows though? The ILI spike in weeks 50-52 (mid to late Dec) are mirrored by confirmed lab cases of Influenza A and B by the NVRL.

    Did we have single cases dotted around Europe in low numbers due to travel back in Nov/Dec? Likely, as shown by the case at the end of Dec in France (27th, vs. their first case originally on Jan 24th). Was everyone that was sick at December suffering from COVID-19? Unlikely. The virus wouldn't have just taken a few weeks off after infecting hundreds/1000+ in December to push a second wave in March in Ireland? We had no restrictions till late March, it just doesn't really make sense.


  • #803
    [Deleted User]
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    seamus wrote: »
    Yep. The indication from the chart is very much that the reports of illness last winter are adequately explained by lab confirmed testing for influenza.

    More likely than Covid having been widespread last year is that last year's 'flu outbreak left a considerable hole in the populations' immune response that covid has entered and taken advantage of.

    Without data though, it's all guesswork. Could easily just be pure coincidence.

    If there is a link though, it would suggest that there is a natural limit to this virus and there will be no need to specifically wait for a vaccine to get back to normal.

    Probably something as simple as someone writing a 2 instead of a 4 for the month.
    This is important now for all countries to engage in. Every single sample they have available in cold storage should be tested, regardless of why it was there or what the patient had. Go back month by month until we stop finding positive covid results.

    I wonder is there data on people who have had flu over the winter also having covid and the clinical outcomes. I do know of a relative of a friend who was in hospital with severe respiratory symptoms at the start of April, but it was not Covid, who is now back in hospital and confirmed with the virus


  • #804
    JoChervil
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    biko wrote: »
    Some people may be a bit stupid and don't understand how apply their mask correctly but at least they're trying.

    I think it is only a small percentage of that kind. Others wearing them weirdly are just messing around making jokes of it or "rebel without a cause". Or are having their own twist on a trending thing. I am pretty sure they know how do it properly, only they don't want to.


  • #805
    cherryghost
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    The more i read about the backdating of cases in France to last year, the more convinced I am that the awful dose in December was Covid-19. I had it myself, all the symptoms. Around mid december. Cleared mostly after a week but took almost 3 weeks til I was feeling 'normal'. I didnt see a GP. I self isolated myself for a week and stayed in bed for almost 2 weeks.


  • #806
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    Are there any journalists going into this evenings briefing. Will you please ple3 please take this up with the team.


    Why should we live with restrictions when they are allowing the potential for more covid infections and clusters to start from this?

    There should be two briefings, one for the health strategy with the CMO and one for operational updates with Harris or another government rep


  • #807
    Funsterdelux
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Tubs and Claire B seemed to recover fairly well. Didn't even take a year.
    Why seek to highlight the worst possible outcome?

    Did they get a nasty dose of it? Did they end up in hospital?

    Tubs just had a cough if I remember correctly.

    Edit:
    Most people will only develop mild symptoms, which usually take a week to recover from, maybe longer. In more serious cases, it could be more than a year.


  • #808
    Seamai
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    I wonder if Jemima Burke will show up again this afternoon? She'll have a field day if any attempt is made to exclude her.


  • #809
    [Deleted User]
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    cherryghost wrote: »
    The more i read about the backdating of cases in France to last year, the more convinced I am that the awful dose in December was Covid-19. I had it myself, all the symptoms. Around mid december. Cleared mostly after a week but took almost 3 weeks til I was feeling 'normal'. I didnt see a GP. I self isolated myself for a week and stayed in bed for almost 2 weeks.

    Graph posted earlier in the thread suggests not - spike in flu like illnesses directly matches spike in Influenza a and b confirmed in the lab


  • #810
    c.p.w.g.w
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    Seamai wrote: »
    I wonder if Jemima Burke will show up again this afternoon? She'll have a field day if any attempt is made to exclude her.

    Well if a journalist from the Irish Times carried on like she did yesterday i'd expect them to be excluded too, and allow a colleague of theirs instead...But Jemima lied to gain access yesterday and acted very disrespectful


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  • #811
    Rob A. Bank
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Tubs and Claire B seemed to recover fairly well. Didn't even take a year.
    Why seek to highlight the worst possible outcome?

    The US military are taking it seriously too and seem to think that it may cause permanent problems.

    A military recruitment memo sent out by the US Military Entrance Processing Command (MEPCOM) outlines that those who have tested positive for COVID-19 will not be allowed to join the military — even after they recover.

    They say "a history of COVID-19 confirmed by either a laboratory test or clinician diagnosis, is permanently disqualifying."

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-memo-ban-coronavirus-survivors-from-enlisting-memo-2020-5?r=US&IR=T


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