Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Cork Boy 53 · 06-05-2020 05:48PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

More good news, for us this time

"
A COVID-19 antibody test, said to be 99.8% accurate, could soon be available in Ireland.

The test has been developed by Swiss giant Roche Diagnostics and has already been approved for use in the US.

The company, which has a base in Dublin, said its Elecsys test has a specificity greater than 99.8% and sensitivity of 100% - meaning it gives no false negative results and only one in 500 false positives.

The antibody test indicates whether a patient has been exposed to the virus and recovered."

Boy i'd love this. I got to fly to Spain end of August, would be pretty handy to get such test, hopefully I've had covid and off I go enjoying beer in south of Spain without any fears of being stopped at checkpoints for mask inspection whatnot.

You have a vivid imagination if you believe that will happen.

road_high · 06-05-2020 05:51PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You have a vivid imagination if you believe that will happen.

Yes better stay in miserable lockdown rather than getting out and living. The rest of Europe/the world should be more like us and sit at home doing nothing

road_high · 06-05-2020 05:53PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AP_Europe/status/1258068581260103680?s=19

Those reckless Germans again...

alwald · 06-05-2020 05:53PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote:

Boy i'd love this. I got to fly to Spain end of August, would be pretty handy to get such test, hopefully I've had covid and off I go enjoying beer in south of Spain without any fears of being stopped at checkpoints for mask inspection whatnot.

Your motivation to open up everything ASAP is clearer now!!

road_high · 06-05-2020 05:56PM

alwald wrote: »

Your motivation to open up everything ASAP is clearer now!!

It’s four months away...not sure what your definition of ASAP would be?

06-05-2020 06:09PM

“We will have to, in some way, pay for this in the future”. Pascal

I wonder how far into the future he means. Maybe next month?

jmayo · 06-05-2020 06:12PM

hopalongcass wrote: »

Well i am assuming you to be reasonably intelligent,and now i noticed your profile is since 2008 so if you are of a certain age and have reasonable intelligence,how can you not have seen what this government and all previous governments in your lifetime have done?It could be simply cognitive dissonance but the absolute contempt these politicians have shown toward its own people is on a level rarely seen in the world.

I personally think losing our language leaves us with little in common patriotically speaking and half of us have secret desires to be British.While a lot of other countries have their own common language it makes them a bit more patriotic towards their brethren and don't inflict the kind of misery on their own people if they can possibly avoid it,whereas its the first option for our leaders.

While spending their way out a recession will work for Britain and America since they have plenty of their own production so while they are borrowing and spending they are buying a lot of their PPE and ventilators from companies in their respective countries thus stimulating their economies,this won't work for us we cannot even pick strawberries or manufacture face masks let alone ventilators.

We have to send hundreds and hundreds of millions to China for simple masks,i wouldn't even like to hazard a guess on how much we are paying the British and Americans for ventilators,sad fact is we are unable to produce anything at this point ,we rely on being a tax haven and manufacture practically nothing indigenously,so spending isn't helping our economy in any way.We are just building other economies on the backs of our children its shameful and anyone endorsing this as an Irish person should be ashamed.

As for printing money just i don't know if you are serious or not but you cannot just print money ad infinitum without consequences,money is just a representation of value,you can only print so much money.And even if that were true and worked Germany holds all the power in that area and they ain't coming to anyone's rescue.

As with all your posts so far you are talking a lot out of your ass.
In fact we do produce ventilators, primarily for export and we do purchase ventilators from US based companies.
Medtronic, formerly Covidien Healthcare, in Galway was aiming to knock out 1000 ventilators a week.

Now both of these are in theory Irish based companies since HQed here, but really they are US founded and US run.
But that doesn't negate from fact we do build ventilators and a fooking lot of them.
Hell isn't trump bellowing that medical production needs to be brought back to US from China and Ireland.
Now due to way world works the ones we build are going somewhere else and the ones we use are coming from somewhere else.
That is modern trade.

And as for your patriotic cr** and seeing language as some sort of binding agent for a nation.
Maybe just stay off the sauce.

Mad_maxx · 06-05-2020 06:25PM

drove from galway to mullingar and back today , big change in terms of people out and about , traffic on the roads etc , ninety minute trip each way , not a sign of a check point

maybe the cops realise people wont be curtailed any longer ?

hopalongcass · 06-05-2020 06:29PM

jmayo wrote: »

As with all your posts so far you are talking a lot out of your ass.
In fact we do produce ventilators, primarily for export and we do purchase ventilators from US based companies.
Medtronic, formerly Covidien Healthcare, in Galway was aiming to knock out 1000 ventilators a week.

Now both of these are in theory Irish based companies since HQed here, but really they are US founded and US run.
But that doesn't negate from fact we do build ventilators and a fooking lot of them.
Hell isn't trump bellowing that medical production needs to be brought back to US from China and Ireland.
Now due to way world works the ones we build are going somewhere else and the ones we use are coming from somewhere else.
That is modern trade.

And as for your patriotic cr** and seeing language as some sort of binding agent for a nation.
Maybe just stay off the sauce.

I wasn't talking to you my friend but feel free to butt in and throw insults around,i think it is you who is on the sauce,feeling big on the internet my man.You are no doubt stepped on in your personal life,you reek of it,got your wine out enjoying your free wages haha fair play but you wouldn't dare speak to me like that to my face but the internet makes men out of mice doesn't it.

Then you went on to say i am wrong but i am actually right haha good point,the companies are not Irish.This is the running joke in perceived poorer countries like Thailand and other Poor Asian countries they make the goods and buy them back again from the the companies at retail price.Made in Thailand is a pretty famous song about this you might learn something from it and you are even proud of this and accept its just part of trade.

The companies making them are British or American,we are no different to a country like Thailand that they use for cheaper labour we do not make them ourselves the expertise comes from abroad and the cheap semi skilled labour and tax breaks comes from us.

Mad_maxx · 06-05-2020 06:32PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Well the banks seemed to do alright after the last crisis they seem to weather every storm. If you don't want to question your betters that's up to you to tug your forelock.

the banks are doing terrible and were doing terrible prior to this crisis

Quantum Erasure · 06-05-2020 06:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

“We will have to, in some way, pay for this in the future”. Pascal

I wonder how far into the future he means. Maybe next month?

It'll never be paid off, the ECB should give unconditional loans to cover it

Birdie Num Num · 06-05-2020 06:59PM

easypazz wrote: »

Open the fcuking country.

Improve testing.

Shield the vulnerable groups

Social distance as much as is practical.

Temporary hospital capacity available at a realistic price, and available at short notice, as in have access to parts of state owned facilities

Army to store sufficient medical equipment so that additional hospital capacity can be made available at short notice.

Do it all by the end of June, this July 20th to travel 20kM and August 10th to partial opening of bars etc. is not a realistic plan at all.

McGregor?

road_high · 06-05-2020 07:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

“We will have to, in some way, pay for this in the future”. Pascal

I wonder how far into the future he means. Maybe next month?

Softening the waters before the big cuts are brought in. PS pay and welfare will be first in line because without hefty cuts there the savings won’t amount to very much.

road_high · 06-05-2020 07:18PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

It'll never be paid off, the ECB should give unconditional loans to cover it

Why “should” they? If other countries can get their economy back running I don’t see why we are some kind of special (basket) case

Ginger n Lemon · 06-05-2020 07:29PM

road_high wrote: »

Why “should” they? If other countries can get their economy back running I don’t see why we are some kind of special (basket) case

Well if history is anything to go by then after recessions you usually have increases in tax rates. Pension levy, USC all of these things didnt exist before 2009.

And even though they were brought in as temporary measures, they somehow stick around and dont want to go away.

Link for your upcoming antibody test, rumours its goings to be £6 in UK, probably 10 quid here.

https://www.roche.com/media/releases/med-cor-2020-05-03.htm

tobefrank321 · 06-05-2020 07:37PM

Instead of journalists asking questions at the daily briefings about hairdressers maybe they could ask intelligent questions about antibody tests and the availability of remdesivir?

is_that_so · 06-05-2020 07:39PM

road_high wrote: »

Softening the waters before the big cuts are brought in. PS pay and welfare will be first in line because without hefty cuts there the savings won’t amount to very much.

There is more than a suggestion of V-shaped so recovery should be moderately swift. Some sectors will fare very badly and we can probably expect unemployment to be in the order of 10% for a good bit. I don't think they'll cut things but there will be a lot of borrowing and very cautious spending to manage our way out of it. There will be lots of cheap money but only for loans.

is_that_so · 06-05-2020 07:41PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Instead of journalists asking questions at the daily briefings about hairdressers maybe they could ask intelligent questions about antibody tests and the availability of remdesivir?

They've asked about the former and it's watch this space. Remdesivir is still emergency use only in the US, not fully approved -still a way to to go on it.

olestoepoke · 06-05-2020 07:41PM

At what stage can we let the kids back out to play with their friends. This has been the most challenging aspect for us as a family. Children are going crazy, frustrated, not good for their mental health.

is_that_so · 06-05-2020 07:45PM

olestoepoke wrote: »

At what stage can we let the kids back out to play with their friends. This has been the most challenging aspect for us as a family. Children are going crazy, frustrated, not good for their mental health.

It looks like Phase 3 or 4 so June/July.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e5e599-government-publishes-roadmap-to-ease-covid-19-restrictions-and-reope/

snowcat · 06-05-2020 07:49PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It looks like Phase 3 or 4 so June/July.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e5e599-government-publishes-roadmap-to-ease-covid-19-restrictions-and-reope/

Bonkers. There is evidence that kids are not vectors in this. We really need to start learning from this, shield the vulnerable and try and get life returning to normal for the vast majority of people.

Galwayguy35 · 06-05-2020 08:01PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It looks like Phase 3 or 4 so June/July.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e5e599-government-publishes-roadmap-to-ease-covid-19-restrictions-and-reope/

how can anyone expect kids to stay locked in all summer, its pure lunacy.

olestoepoke · 06-05-2020 08:06PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

how can anyone expect kids to stay locked in all summer, its pure lunacy.

I think this is largely not doable

devondudley · 06-05-2020 08:09PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

how can anyone expect kids to stay locked in all summer, its pure lunacy.

lunacy for you maybe. thank god your the one qualified to make the calls :rolleyes:

is_that_so · 06-05-2020 08:09PM

snowcat wrote: »

Bonkers. There is evidence that kids are not vectors in this. We really need to start learning from this, shield the vulnerable and try and get life returning to normal for the vast majority of people.

Not over yet, still learning.

Assetbacked · 06-05-2020 08:13PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/bewley-s-on-grafton-street-to-close-permanently-with-loss-of-110-jobs-1.4246773?mode=amp

Bewley's throwing in the towel with the loss of 110 jobs. Not the first and not the last big hospitality name I'm sure.

road_high · 06-05-2020 08:16PM

snowcat wrote: »

Bonkers. There is evidence that kids are not vectors in this. We really need to start learning from this, shield the vulnerable and try and get life returning to normal for the vast majority of people.

Schools have started back weeks ago now in many European neighbours. We have this really lax attitude to school attendance here as demonstrated by our very long school holidays. Two month hole at the peak of the school calendar is already mental, not to mention bringing it out to September.
They should go back 18th May and go right to end June - secondary and national schools.

road_high · 06-05-2020 08:19PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/bewley-s-on-grafton-street-to-close-permanently-with-loss-of-110-jobs-1.4246773?mode=amp

Bewley's throwing in the towel with the loss of 110 jobs. Not the first and not the last big hospitality name I'm sure.

Sadly I expect a string of those in the next few weeks. A lot have will just given up the fight after Varadkars plan for bankruptcy last Friday- they are likely evaluating plans for closure now and need to formalise those before announcing officially

Cork Boy 53 · 06-05-2020 08:26PM

road_high wrote: »

Schools have started back weeks ago now in many European neighbours. We have this really lax attitude to school attendance here as demonstrated by our very long school holidays. Two month hole at the peak of the school calendar is already mental, not to mention bringing it out to September.
They should go back 18th May and go right to end June - secondary and national schools.

This will not be happening and if anything there are doubts as to whether the Leaving Cert will go ahead in late July/early August as previously announced.

pjohnson · 06-05-2020 08:26PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/bewley-s-on-grafton-street-to-close-permanently-with-loss-of-110-jobs-1.4246773?mode=amp

Bewley's throwing in the towel with the loss of 110 jobs. Not the first and not the last big hospitality name I'm sure.

Seems to be a long long long issue regarding the exorbitant rent. It was having to be subsidised as it was. Like with Debenhams, writing on the wall long before covid.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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